RE: GMA reveals 725hp T.50s 'Niki Lauda'

RE: GMA reveals 725hp T.50s 'Niki Lauda'

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sean ie3

95 posts

99 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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It is probable many people will not be travelling to destinations where the people who can afford to buy one of these live. smile

Barchettaman

4,135 posts

95 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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Baddie said:
The F1 was not a perfect driver’s car - Martin Brundle papped himself on camera when it hit some wet leaves pottering around - and he won Le Mans in an XJR-9.
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In case anyone hasn’t seen it, it’s at 1’50” on this clip:


https://youtu.be/qSxflDD_blM

ManyMotors

191 posts

61 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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I don't get all the love for Murray. He's old, has old ideas and used them to build a racecar. And, though the specific output of the mill is impressive, it is still significantly lower than many Stellantis offerings. Yet the dopes croon, "Oh,,,Gordon!"

sean ie3

95 posts

99 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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I believe GM showed us a picture of a monocoque for something that could cost around 30k. Interesting. smile

J4CKO

32,982 posts

163 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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ManyMotors said:
I don't get all the love for Murray. He's old, has old ideas and used them to build a racecar. And, though the specific output of the mill is impressive, it is still significantly lower than many Stellantis offerings. Yet the dopes croon, "Oh,,,Gordon!"
Are you comparing specific output from an NA engine with a turbocharged one ?


ThePackMan

271 posts

29 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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ManyMotors said:
I don't get all the love for Murray. He's old, has old ideas and used them to build a racecar. And, though the specific output of the mill is impressive, it is still significantly lower than many Stellantis offerings. Yet the dopes croon, "Oh,,,Gordon!"
Agree. It does look/feel like a "real ale appreciation convention"...not that I've ever been or will go to one - I guess it's what I imagine one is like.

Gameface

15,941 posts

40 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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ManyMotors said:
I don't get all the love for Murray. He's old, has old ideas and used them to build a racecar. And, though the specific output of the mill is impressive, it is still significantly lower than many Stellantis offerings. Yet the dopes croon, "Oh,,,Gordon!"
Pathetically transparent.

ThePackMan

271 posts

29 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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I just watched the Harry's Garage video. Its interesting to note that after GM is introduced he takes precisely 26 seconds into his opening comments to say "when we launched the McLaren f1" and to me this is the problem with this project. Surely it's better to make a car that stands on it's own in 2021? Not as a reference point to something that was way ahead of it's time 30 years ago?

As a side point, I'm pretty sure that a big part of the T50 story at launch was the aero? Lots of GM fans on here suddenly becoming experts in what huge downforce a fan car creates. GM mocked cars with big wings (like the Senna) but wait for it...launches his next car with....big wings and calls it a Lauda.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

26,362 posts

175 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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ThePackMan said:
I just watched the Harry's Garage video. Its interesting to note that after GM is introduced he takes precisely 26 seconds into his opening comments to say "when we launched the McLaren f1" and to me this is the problem with this project. Surely it's better to make a car that stands on it's own in 2021? Not as a reference point to something that was way ahead of it's time 30 years ago?

As a side point, I'm pretty sure that a big part of the T50 story at launch was the aero? Lots of GM fans on here suddenly becoming experts in what huge downforce a fan car creates. GM mocked cars with big wings (like the Senna) but wait for it...launches his next car with....big wings and calls it a Lauda.
He said they weren't necessary for road cars when you had the fan and spoiled clean aesthetics. He has never mocked race cars with big wings, as far as I'm aware. You're twisting words there. I assume you watched the video and realised it wasn't a road car, right?

ThePackMan

271 posts

29 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
He said they weren't necessary for road cars when you had the fan and spoiled clean aesthetics. He has never mocked race cars with big wings, as far as I'm aware. You're twisting words there. I assume you watched the video and realised it wasn't a road car, right?
Yes I know its not a road car, but you already knew that - right?

TyrannosauRoss Lex

26,362 posts

175 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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ThePackMan said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
He said they weren't necessary for road cars when you had the fan and spoiled clean aesthetics. He has never mocked race cars with big wings, as far as I'm aware. You're twisting words there. I assume you watched the video and realised it wasn't a road car, right?
Yes I know its not a road car, but you already knew that - right?
Yes I did. I just didn't understand why, considering you knew it wasn't a road car, you chose to pick up GM on not liking massive wings on cars, when in fact he's said he doesn't like them on ROAD cars. Seems a bit pointless to bring that into a conversation about a car that isn't a road car, no?

Sandpit Steve

2,413 posts

37 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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I want to see a race between racecar Lauda and racecar Senna!

(And the Mercedes One, Valkyrie, Glickenhaus and anyone else who wants to build a Hypercar. Come on Le Mans, let’s see these go racing!).

ThePackMan

271 posts

29 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Yes I did. I just didn't understand why, considering you knew it wasn't a road car, you chose to pick up GM on not liking massive wings on cars, when in fact he's said he doesn't like them on ROAD cars. Seems a bit pointless to bring that into a conversation about a car that isn't a road car, no?
Nobody's opinion is pointless, not even yours.

A McLaren Senna is a road legal track car and it has big wings that GM said weren't necessary because a fan was so much better. Speaking of fans...

IMI A

8,320 posts

164 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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Amazing spec sheet but the stat I'm even more staggered by is the road cars was oversubscribed by 200. I can't decide if I like it or not from pics styling wise. Many buyers bought one of each. One day Rodney!

Baddie

444 posts

180 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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Barchettaman said:
Baddie said:
The F1 was not a perfect driver’s car - Martin Brundle papped himself on camera when it hit some wet leaves pottering around - and he won Le Mans in an XJR-9.
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In case anyone hasn’t seen it, it’s at 1’50” on this clip:


https://youtu.be/qSxflDD_blM
Thank you.

Could have been a McGuiness moment while just ambling along!

Gameface

15,941 posts

40 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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IMI A said:
Amazing spec sheet but the stat I'm even more staggered by is the road cars was oversubscribed by 200.
Because they were betting on it being F1 money one day, I'd imagine.

IMI A said:
Many buyers bought one of each.
Well, up to 25 of them.

fblm

18,598 posts

226 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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Isebac said:
I don't think that's an accurate analogy. Pure ICE is still by far the best way of getting performance as well as driving enjoyment. If you look at electric systems of the Holy Trinity hybrids, those were getting about 1hp per 1kg. Which is abysmal compared to a combustion engine. Electric motors themselves have a much higher power density than ICEs, but once you add batteries to have a reasonable range, either to drive around or to race, ICEs come on top.
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919 Evo...

fblm

18,598 posts

226 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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Isebac said:
I don't think that's an accurate analogy. Pure ICE is still by far the best way of getting performance as well as driving enjoyment. If you look at electric systems of the Holy Trinity hybrids, those were getting about 1hp per 1kg. Which is abysmal compared to a combustion engine. Electric motors themselves have a much higher power density than ICEs, but once you add batteries to have a reasonable range, either to drive around or to race, ICEs come on top.
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919 Evo...

DMC2

1,487 posts

174 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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Terminator X said:
andyj007 said:
This shows up Mclaren as just wanabees. This is how you do it lads.. take note....
Do Mac sell a lot of £3.1m cars?

TX.
Well they do sell a Speed Tail for £1.75m before extras which just looks look an extended 720s and uses loads of the same components, including a lightly re worked engine.

Monkeythree

478 posts

192 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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Sure I had a Hot Wheels one of these in 1978