RE: GMA reveals 725hp T.50s 'Niki Lauda'

[sean ie3]

It is probable many people will not be travelling to destinations where the people who can afford to buy one of these live.

[Barchettaman]

Baddie said:

The F1 was not a perfect driver’s car - Martin Brundle papped himself on camera when it hit some wet leaves pottering around - and he won Le Mans in an XJR-9.
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In case anyone hasn’t seen it, it’s at 1’50” on this clip:


https://youtu.be/qSxflDD_blM

[ManyMotors]

I don't get all the love for Murray. He's old, has old ideas and used them to build a racecar. And, though the specific output of the mill is impressive, it is still significantly lower than many Stellantis offerings. Yet the dopes croon, "Oh,,,Gordon!"

[sean ie3]

I believe GM showed us a picture of a monocoque for something that could cost around 30k. Interesting.

[J4CKO]

ManyMotors said:

I don't get all the love for Murray. He's old, has old ideas and used them to build a racecar. And, though the specific output of the mill is impressive, it is still significantly lower than many Stellantis offerings. Yet the dopes croon, "Oh,,,Gordon!"

Are you comparing specific output from an NA engine with a turbocharged one ?

[anonymous-user]

ManyMotors said:

I don't get all the love for Murray. He's old, has old ideas and used them to build a racecar. And, though the specific output of the mill is impressive, it is still significantly lower than many Stellantis offerings. Yet the dopes croon, "Oh,,,Gordon!"

Agree. It does look/feel like a "real ale appreciation convention"...not that I've ever been or will go to one - I guess it's what I imagine one is like.

[Gameface]

ManyMotors said:

I don't get all the love for Murray. He's old, has old ideas and used them to build a racecar. And, though the specific output of the mill is impressive, it is still significantly lower than many Stellantis offerings. Yet the dopes croon, "Oh,,,Gordon!"

Pathetically transparent.

[anonymous-user]

I just watched the Harry's Garage video. Its interesting to note that after GM is introduced he takes precisely 26 seconds into his opening comments to say "when we launched the McLaren f1" and to me this is the problem with this project. Surely it's better to make a car that stands on it's own in 2021? Not as a reference point to something that was way ahead of it's time 30 years ago?

As a side point, I'm pretty sure that a big part of the T50 story at launch was the aero? Lots of GM fans on here suddenly becoming experts in what huge downforce a fan car creates. GM mocked cars with big wings (like the Senna) but wait for it...launches his next car with....big wings and calls it a Lauda.

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

ThePackMan said:

I just watched the Harry's Garage video. Its interesting to note that after GM is introduced he takes precisely 26 seconds into his opening comments to say "when we launched the McLaren f1" and to me this is the problem with this project. Surely it's better to make a car that stands on it's own in 2021? Not as a reference point to something that was way ahead of it's time 30 years ago?

As a side point, I'm pretty sure that a big part of the T50 story at launch was the aero? Lots of GM fans on here suddenly becoming experts in what huge downforce a fan car creates. GM mocked cars with big wings (like the Senna) but wait for it...launches his next car with....big wings and calls it a Lauda.

He said they weren't necessary for road cars when you had the fan and spoiled clean aesthetics. He has never mocked race cars with big wings, as far as I'm aware. You're twisting words there. I assume you watched the video and realised it wasn't a road car, right?

[anonymous-user]

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

He said they weren't necessary for road cars when you had the fan and spoiled clean aesthetics. He has never mocked race cars with big wings, as far as I'm aware. You're twisting words there. I assume you watched the video and realised it wasn't a road car, right?

Yes I know its not a road car, but you already knew that - right?

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

ThePackMan said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

He said they weren't necessary for road cars when you had the fan and spoiled clean aesthetics. He has never mocked race cars with big wings, as far as I'm aware. You're twisting words there. I assume you watched the video and realised it wasn't a road car, right?

Yes I know its not a road car, but you already knew that - right?

Yes I did. I just didn't understand why, considering you knew it wasn't a road car, you chose to pick up GM on not liking massive wings on cars, when in fact he's said he doesn't like them on ROAD cars. Seems a bit pointless to bring that into a conversation about a car that isn't a road car, no?

[Sandpit Steve]

I want to see a race between racecar Lauda and racecar Senna!

(And the Mercedes One, Valkyrie, Glickenhaus and anyone else who wants to build a Hypercar. Come on Le Mans, let’s see these go racing!).

[anonymous-user]

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

Yes I did. I just didn't understand why, considering you knew it wasn't a road car, you chose to pick up GM on not liking massive wings on cars, when in fact he's said he doesn't like them on ROAD cars. Seems a bit pointless to bring that into a conversation about a car that isn't a road car, no?

Nobody's opinion is pointless, not even yours.

A McLaren Senna is a road legal track car and it has big wings that GM said weren't necessary because a fan was so much better. Speaking of fans...

[IMI A]

Amazing spec sheet but the stat I'm even more staggered by is the road cars was oversubscribed by 200. I can't decide if I like it or not from pics styling wise. Many buyers bought one of each. One day Rodney!

[Baddie]

Barchettaman said:

Baddie said:

The F1 was not a perfect driver’s car - Martin Brundle papped himself on camera when it hit some wet leaves pottering around - and he won Le Mans in an XJR-9.
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In case anyone hasn’t seen it, it’s at 1’50” on this clip:


https://youtu.be/qSxflDD_blM

Thank you.

Could have been a McGuiness moment while just ambling along!

[Gameface]

IMI A said:

Amazing spec sheet but the stat I'm even more staggered by is the road cars was oversubscribed by 200.

Because they were betting on it being F1 money one day, I'd imagine.

IMI A said:

Many buyers bought one of each.

Well, up to 25 of them.

[anonymous-user]

Isebac said:

I don't think that's an accurate analogy. Pure ICE is still by far the best way of getting performance as well as driving enjoyment. If you look at electric systems of the Holy Trinity hybrids, those were getting about 1hp per 1kg. Which is abysmal compared to a combustion engine. Electric motors themselves have a much higher power density than ICEs, but once you add batteries to have a reasonable range, either to drive around or to race, ICEs come on top.
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919 Evo...

[anonymous-user]

Isebac said:

I don't think that's an accurate analogy. Pure ICE is still by far the best way of getting performance as well as driving enjoyment. If you look at electric systems of the Holy Trinity hybrids, those were getting about 1hp per 1kg. Which is abysmal compared to a combustion engine. Electric motors themselves have a much higher power density than ICEs, but once you add batteries to have a reasonable range, either to drive around or to race, ICEs come on top.
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919 Evo...

[DMC2]

Terminator X said:

andyj007 said:

This shows up Mclaren as just wanabees. This is how you do it lads.. take note....

Do Mac sell a lot of £3.1m cars?

TX.

Well they do sell a Speed Tail for £1.75m before extras which just looks look an extended 720s and uses loads of the same components, including a lightly re worked engine.

[Monkeythree]

Sure I had a Hot Wheels one of these in 1978