RE: GMA reveals 725hp T.50s 'Niki Lauda'
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Murray is pure genius...he reached legend status with the F1, this goes beyond.
Can someone clarify the text 'and comes with promise of even faster reactions to the 28,000 revs per second possible in the T.50.' ?
The T.50 was first revealed in June 2019 and delivery expected in 2022...a timeline of 3 years. At TVR they are still trying to fix the roof.
Can someone clarify the text 'and comes with promise of even faster reactions to the 28,000 revs per second possible in the T.50.' ?
The T.50 was first revealed in June 2019 and delivery expected in 2022...a timeline of 3 years. At TVR they are still trying to fix the roof.
FlukePlay said:
Murray is pure genius...he reached legend status with the F1, this goes beyond.
Can someone clarify the text 'and comes with promise of even faster reactions to the 28,000 revs per second possible in the T.50.' ?
The T.50 was first revealed in June 2019 and delivery expected in 2022...a timeline of 3 years. At TVR they are still trying to fix the roof.
The 28,000 revs per second, is the change in revs in neutral when hitting the throttle. Can someone clarify the text 'and comes with promise of even faster reactions to the 28,000 revs per second possible in the T.50.' ?
The T.50 was first revealed in June 2019 and delivery expected in 2022...a timeline of 3 years. At TVR they are still trying to fix the roof.
It hits the limiter from idle in under half a second, the engine has less intertia that any other road car engine. This one is even faster by the same measure.
GMD said:
Drivers of a "good amateur" level should quickly feel comfortable edging their 725hp machine close to its limit.
really? I have some experience in this area (having worked on a fair number of rather high performance road at track cars, like the Mclaren P1/P1GTR and race cars specifically designed for "good amateurs" such as the AMR DBR9 etcAnd, i can tell you, driving a full on aero assisted car, ie one with a ratio of over 1:1 (825kg mass, 1,000 kg aero) is not something that many "good amateurs" i have ever met and seen driven quickly feel comfortable with. At that ratio, should you loss downforce for any reasons, from a hitting a bump to poor driving and touchning a kerb or having the suspension not set absolutely perfectly for the track you are on, your are off, because you are suddenly going TWICE as fast as the car could corner with purely mechanical grip. And no one gets back from there, not even the likes of Hamilton or Senna. Watch the F1 accidents, that is the level at which we are talking for a car with more than 1:1 aero assistance!
The P1 GTR was 1,455 kg mass and a maximum of around 700kg of downforce a ratio 1:0.5 and that was,ime, too much for the majority of drivers to deal with.......
The problem is, when it goes wrong, we are talking about energies that are significant, in fact, life threatening, and killing your customers is something most companies try to avoid in general.
We have been here before of course, as the short lived Caparo T1 showed, that just because you can, doesn't mean you should, and engineers can today easily build a car that is simply too much for most people
Sandpit Steve said:
FlukePlay said:
Murray is pure genius...he reached legend status with the F1, this goes beyond.
Can someone clarify the text 'and comes with promise of even faster reactions to the 28,000 revs per second possible in the T.50.' ?
The T.50 was first revealed in June 2019 and delivery expected in 2022...a timeline of 3 years. At TVR they are still trying to fix the roof.
The 28,000 revs per second, is the change in revs in neutral when hitting the throttle. Can someone clarify the text 'and comes with promise of even faster reactions to the 28,000 revs per second possible in the T.50.' ?
The T.50 was first revealed in June 2019 and delivery expected in 2022...a timeline of 3 years. At TVR they are still trying to fix the roof.
It hits the limiter from idle in under half a second, the engine has less intertia that any other road car engine. This one is even faster by the same measure.
and about half as responsive as a pukka F1 engine that manages about 50,000 rpm /sec. It's also an almost entirely meanigless statistic for a road car, as you never rev the car in neutral (unless showing off to your mates outside the pub ;-) it's important in a race car because engine inertia dominates gearbox durability, but in road car, and a manual road car at that, it just makes it really, really hard to drive smoothly
Max_Torque said:
For reference, it's half as responsive as the electric motor in a nissan leaf..... lol!
and about half as responsive as a pukka F1 engine that manages about 50,000 rpm /sec. It's also an almost entirely meanigless statistic for a road car, as you never rev the car in neutral (unless showing off to your mates outside the pub ;-) it's important in a race car because engine inertia dominates gearbox durability, but in road car, and a manual road car at that, it just makes it really, really hard to drive smoothly
Oh, agreed. I’ve driven a car with a lightened flywheel before, and it was a pain in the arse to change gear unless you were properly ‘on it’, which of course in a road car is hardly ever. Required a fair bit of practice to rev match the upshifts, let alone the downshifts! and about half as responsive as a pukka F1 engine that manages about 50,000 rpm /sec. It's also an almost entirely meanigless statistic for a road car, as you never rev the car in neutral (unless showing off to your mates outside the pub ;-) it's important in a race car because engine inertia dominates gearbox durability, but in road car, and a manual road car at that, it just makes it really, really hard to drive smoothly
When I first read about this project, the T.50, it seemed a bit of a Gordon Murray geek-off - just daft things like perfect switches and nonsense like that... Seemed waaay to up ones own bottom.
But then I listened to the podcast here: https://collectingcars.com/podcasts/ (Search for the Gordon Murray one - episode 24).
Not only an excellent interview by Chris Harris, and Gordon Murray explaining some of the mad stuff of F1 back then, and some other random / cool bits, but really made me think just how cool the T.50 is going to be, and would be an absolute must have if I could ever afford one! Some of it is a geek fest, but so much of the focus on the driving and feedback, down to the power steering only kicking in at low speeds and then disconnecting afterwards for a proper uncorrupted steering.
From this, I'd say the T.50s is going to pretty epic.
But then I listened to the podcast here: https://collectingcars.com/podcasts/ (Search for the Gordon Murray one - episode 24).
Not only an excellent interview by Chris Harris, and Gordon Murray explaining some of the mad stuff of F1 back then, and some other random / cool bits, but really made me think just how cool the T.50 is going to be, and would be an absolute must have if I could ever afford one! Some of it is a geek fest, but so much of the focus on the driving and feedback, down to the power steering only kicking in at low speeds and then disconnecting afterwards for a proper uncorrupted steering.
From this, I'd say the T.50s is going to pretty epic.
jontysafe said:
Also means idle had to be high which means driving in stop start traffic is tricky and tiring in a manual gearbox equipped car.
Idle has to be high to stop the crank snapping into a couple of peices in ultra low inertia (hence ultralow mass), but high BMEP engines!(ie the fundamental torsional vibration frequency mode is likely to be inside the potential operating area for the engine.....)
loudlashadjuster said:
smilo996 said:
The rear is very odd. The lifted rear bodywork, showing off that rubber and those one / two enormous rear diffuser(s)
Oh, I dunno, there's something about that look which...works
Max_Torque said:
Sandpit Steve said:
FlukePlay said:
Murray is pure genius...he reached legend status with the F1, this goes beyond.
Can someone clarify the text 'and comes with promise of even faster reactions to the 28,000 revs per second possible in the T.50.' ?
The T.50 was first revealed in June 2019 and delivery expected in 2022...a timeline of 3 years. At TVR they are still trying to fix the roof.
The 28,000 revs per second, is the change in revs in neutral when hitting the throttle. Can someone clarify the text 'and comes with promise of even faster reactions to the 28,000 revs per second possible in the T.50.' ?
The T.50 was first revealed in June 2019 and delivery expected in 2022...a timeline of 3 years. At TVR they are still trying to fix the roof.
It hits the limiter from idle in under half a second, the engine has less intertia that any other road car engine. This one is even faster by the same measure.
and about half as responsive as a pukka F1 engine that manages about 50,000 rpm /sec. It's also an almost entirely meanigless statistic for a road car, as you never rev the car in neutral (unless showing off to your mates outside the pub ;-) it's important in a race car because engine inertia dominates gearbox durability, but in road car, and a manual road car at that, it just makes it really, really hard to drive smoothly
He's actually managed to make the road version look a little underwhelming before it's even in customers' hands. 
I'd LOVE to have seen the rear from the 's' on the road version. The wing, high-cut rear, F1-style fin...they look awesome!
If I'd been lucky enough (in life) to be one of those with a road version on order, I'd be feeling a little flat now...like when I was a kid and got a radio controlled car and my mate got a better one. I still loved mine but...you know...his was cooler.
I'd LOVE to have seen the rear from the 's' on the road version. The wing, high-cut rear, F1-style fin...they look awesome!If I'd been lucky enough (in life) to be one of those with a road version on order, I'd be feeling a little flat now...like when I was a kid and got a radio controlled car and my mate got a better one. I still loved mine but...you know...his was cooler.
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