RE: GMA reveals 725hp T.50s 'Niki Lauda'

RE: GMA reveals 725hp T.50s 'Niki Lauda'

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fantheman80

281 posts

12 months

Monday 22nd February
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That’s more like it, I find the standard t50 road car a bit meh in the looks, this is poster on bedroom wall stuff. Doesn’t look like you get Apple car play though, so I am out

Sandpit Steve

2,413 posts

37 months

Monday 22nd February
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Sixpackpert said:
https://youtu.be/MpWl8wtg8pc

Latest Harry’s Garage features it.
Half way through this, highly recommended. Gordon and Harry are both brilliant at walking through the car, even virtually.

EDLT

15,287 posts

169 months

Monday 22nd February
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Max_Torque said:
really? I have some experience in this area (having worked on a fair number of rather high performance road at track cars, like the Mclaren P1/P1GTR and race cars specifically designed for "good amateurs" such as the AMR DBR9 etc

And, i can tell you, driving a full on aero assisted car, ie one with a ratio of over 1:1 (825kg mass, 1,000 kg aero) is not something that many "good amateurs" i have ever met and seen driven quickly feel comfortable with. At that ratio, should you loss downforce for any reasons, from a hitting a bump to poor driving and touchning a kerb or having the suspension not set absolutely perfectly for the track you are on, your are off, because you are suddenly going TWICE as fast as the car could corner with purely mechanical grip. And no one gets back from there, not even the likes of Hamilton or Senna. Watch the F1 accidents, that is the level at which we are talking for a car with more than 1:1 aero assistance!

The P1 GTR was 1,455 kg mass and a maximum of around 700kg of downforce a ratio 1:0.5 and that was,ime, too much for the majority of drivers to deal with.......

The problem is, when it goes wrong, we are talking about energies that are significant, in fact, life threatening, and killing your customers is something most companies try to avoid in general.

We have been here before of course, as the short lived Caparo T1 showed, that just because you can, doesn't mean you should, and engineers can today easily build a car that is simply too much for most people
Not going to be a problem when none of these cars will see the outside of an atmospherically sealed garage.

rich350z

218 posts

125 months

Monday 22nd February
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Well I'm the odd one out..

Think it looks awkward and not at all well resolved. The fan exit detail on both cars is awful.

Gameface

15,941 posts

40 months

Monday 22nd February
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EDLT said:
Not going to be a problem when none of these cars will see the outside of an atmospherically sealed garage.
That old chestnut.


Lee Jones Jnr

872 posts

133 months

Monday 22nd February
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I don’t like the rear but it looks good from every other angle.
Head on is very familiar innit.

TEKNOPUG

14,897 posts

168 months

Monday 22nd February
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£3m plus tax eh? So destined never to see a track then...

p1stonhead

24,609 posts

130 months

Monday 22nd February
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TEKNOPUG said:
£3m plus tax eh? So destined never to see a track then...
Won’t be noticed from some of the bank accounts it’s coming from.

I’m sure many will see action.

Gameface

15,941 posts

40 months

Monday 22nd February
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TEKNOPUG said:
£3m plus tax eh? So destined never to see a track then...
Watch Harry's Garage or read about the GT1 Sports Club that's being set up.

Cold

10,517 posts

53 months

Monday 22nd February
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Should he have asked Peter Stevens to help with the design of this one too?

epom

7,425 posts

124 months

Monday 22nd February
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Wowzers, a special edition launched before the normal one even hits the roads... fastest all round !!

PPEhero

191 posts

38 months

Monday 22nd February
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will this actually happen???

unpc

2,289 posts

176 months

Monday 22nd February
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PPEhero said:
will this actually happen???
Yes

Isebac

18 posts

1 month

Monday 22nd February
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Max_Torque said:
really? I have some experience in this area (having worked on a fair number of rather high performance road at track cars, like the Mclaren P1/P1GTR and race cars specifically designed for "good amateurs" such as the AMR DBR9 etc

And, i can tell you, driving a full on aero assisted car, ie one with a ratio of over 1:1 (825kg mass, 1,000 kg aero) is not something that many "good amateurs" i have ever met and seen driven quickly feel comfortable with. At that ratio, should you loss downforce for any reasons, from a hitting a bump to poor driving and touchning a kerb or having the suspension not set absolutely perfectly for the track you are on, your are off, because you are suddenly going TWICE as fast as the car could corner with purely mechanical grip. And no one gets back from there, not even the likes of Hamilton or Senna. Watch the F1 accidents, that is the level at which we are talking for a car with more than 1:1 aero assistance!

The P1 GTR was 1,455 kg mass and a maximum of around 700kg of downforce a ratio 1:0.5 and that was,ime, too much for the majority of drivers to deal with.......

The problem is, when it goes wrong, we are talking about energies that are significant, in fact, life threatening, and killing your customers is something most companies try to avoid in general.

We have been here before of course, as the short lived Caparo T1 showed, that just because you can, doesn't mean you should, and engineers can today easily build a car that is simply too much for most people
The amount of aero is not really that extreme. It's 1500kg at top speed, but "only" about 825kg at 250km/h. Also, once you include driver and some fuel, the weight of the car is gonna be closer to 1000kg. In the end, you are looking at about the same cornering Gs as a GT3 car. Which, sure, is still more than most people can handle, but as GM said, the amount of downforce is adjustable and the cars will be specced according to the wishes of the owner. So the downforce could be considerably less than even 825kg.

In any case, it's pretty in line with some other track only car variants, like the Brabham BT62 (1000kg with - claimed - 1111kg of downforce at 250km/h), the Lamborghini SCV12 (1377kg with 1200kg of downforce) or the Senna GTR (1280kg/1000kg), and less than the Bugatti Bolide (1270kg/1587kg). Of course, whether any of these will ever be driven on the limit is another question.

Escy

2,817 posts

112 months

Monday 22nd February
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They haven't even built the test mules for the road car program yet and they announce this. Call me cynical but maybe they are in trouble and needing a load of deposits?

Evolved

2,614 posts

150 months

Monday 22nd February
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Well that’s it, if they can pull this off it wipes the floor with all other hyper cars at the min. Function and form in huge amounts. Wow!

Sway

17,495 posts

157 months

Monday 22nd February
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Escy said:
They haven't even built the test mules for the road car program yet and they announce this. Call me cynical but maybe they are in trouble and needing a load of deposits?
They announced this before they properly launched the T.50 - it's not a quick lash up with a few wings, but a changed monocoque.

So they might be in trouble, I don't think they are - but they won't have announced this to grab some deposits.

M4SER

158 posts

89 months

Monday 22nd February
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Isebac said:
The amount of aero is not really that extreme. It's 1500kg at top speed, but "only" about 825kg at 250km/h. Also, once you include driver and some fuel, the weight of the car is gonna be closer to 1000kg. In the end, you are looking at about the same cornering Gs as a GT3 car. Which, sure, is still more than most people can handle, but as GM said, the amount of downforce is adjustable and the cars will be specced according to the wishes of the owner. So the downforce could be considerably less than even 825kg.

In any case, it's pretty in line with some other track only car variants, like the Brabham BT62 (1000kg with - claimed - 1111kg of downforce at 250km/h), the Lamborghini SCV12 (1377kg with 1200kg of downforce) or the Senna GTR (1280kg/1000kg), and less than the Bugatti Bolide (1270kg/1587kg). Of course, whether any of these will ever be driven on the limit is another question.
Suggest watching my video on the car where Gordon explains they dialled the downforce back from 1900kg to 1500kg max to make it more drivable for regular drivers. Also, the gearing is a lot lower than in the T.50 road car and max speed at 12,100rpm in top can be as 'low' as 170mph if you choose the low ratio gearbox.

Gameface

15,941 posts

40 months

Monday 22nd February
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Escy said:
They haven't even built the test mules for the road car program yet and they announce this. Call me cynical but maybe they are in trouble and needing a load of deposits?
Gordon Murray is not Les Edgar.