RE: 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E | PH Road Test

RE: 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E | PH Road Test

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DonkeyApple

40,619 posts

133 months

Saturday 27th February
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mfp4073 said:
Hopefully ? salvation will come in the guise of synthetic petrol.....we shall see.
It won't. The eFuels thing has been completely misinterpreted in the first instance and in the second, there isn't going to be any reversal of trend in ending burning anything in the UK whether it be central heating or power gen let alone domestic vehicles.

Enjoy the silly cars now and start saving and planning for the petrol car you want to buy and keep post 2035.

Sevenman

641 posts

156 months

Saturday 27th February
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Finally, a car that that does the Mustang name justice unlike those unexciting cars of the past. With this, and Ferrari making an SUV, the world is nearly complete.

All we need now is for Morgan to get in on the lifestyle SUV trend, and for the new TVR (if that happens...) to become electric only beer


DonkeyApple

40,619 posts

133 months

Saturday 27th February
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Twinair said:
Did they explain that the battery materials are mined by children, by hand in the countries of origin? Because all this talk of ‘ooooo green’ - did you fact check those credentials?
It's only because of the EV industry that you're even aware. Your own home is full of objects that you have bought that have used Cobalt. Your driveway has objects parked on it that use Cobalt. The only industry actively moving away from using Cobalt is the EV industry. Yet despite this Cobalt has become one of the latest looney focal points to attack EVs when there are so many genuine and blatantly obvious issues.

Banging on about Cobalt is like not minding paedos chasing kids in a playground until a ginger one turns up and somehow being ginger is the big issue. wink

unpc

2,376 posts

177 months

Saturday 27th February
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DonkeyApple said:
Banging on about Cobalt is like not minding paedos chasing kids in a playground until a ginger one turns up and somehow being ginger is the big issue. wink
I thought being ginger was an issue wink

FaustF

338 posts

118 months

Saturday 27th February
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mfp4073 said:
Hopefully ? salvation will come in the guise of synthetic petrol.....we shall see.
E fuels and synth fuels seem the best way forward overall I agree.

chelme

1,130 posts

134 months

Saturday 27th February
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Calling it a Mustang is a bit of a misnomer.

Yes, I get it, the consumer may be inclined to move to new world of the EV, but to ascribe a old world name which is so firmly entrenched in the mustangs of the ICE are (heck, Ford even realised that to sell the brand, they had to make the last 3 versions of the model resemble the 60s original - which was the right call btw) to this abomination is not going to help the brand, imho.

Having said this, I wonder how many 'Jeep Renegades' on the Fiat 500 chassis did FCA sell in the US?..

Anyhow, if the vehicle looks and performs so differently, it makes more sense to give a new name altogether.


DonkeyApple

40,619 posts

133 months

Saturday 27th February
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unpc said:
DonkeyApple said:
Banging on about Cobalt is like not minding paedos chasing kids in a playground until a ginger one turns up and somehow being ginger is the big issue. wink
I thought being ginger was an issue wink
It indeed is but not always the key issue. For example, when one meets a ginger tt, tttism is the bigger issue at hand. There is little to be gained from focusing on the ginger bit and, in reality, it would only be another tt who does. biggrin

TACottle

181 posts

117 months

Saturday 27th February
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Rarely post but...

This is not a Mustang.

Just call it the Ford i-Eco-Power-Tron+ and be done with it.

Not a Mustang.

Not.

A.

Mustang.

J4CKO

33,403 posts

164 months

Saturday 27th February
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DonkeyApple said:
Twinair said:
Did they explain that the battery materials are mined by children, by hand in the countries of origin? Because all this talk of ‘ooooo green’ - did you fact check those credentials?
It's only because of the EV industry that you're even aware. Your own home is full of objects that you have bought that have used Cobalt. Your driveway has objects parked on it that use Cobalt. The only industry actively moving away from using Cobalt is the EV industry. Yet despite this Cobalt has become one of the latest looney focal points to attack EVs when there are so many genuine and blatantly obvious issues.

Banging on about Cobalt is like not minding paedos chasing kids in a playground until a ginger one turns up and somehow being ginger is the big issue. wink
Facebook Memes don't lie !

lee_erm

1,020 posts

157 months

Saturday 27th February
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Should have called it the Model E. I have a suspicion Ford probably own the rights to that name anyway.

Wehrner

4 posts

102 months

Saturday 27th February
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Once again what irks me is the cost, 42k USD in the US, is about 30K GBP.

I personally shipped a single 66 Mustang from South Africa to the UK and the cost was about 5K taxes, shipping and agent fees included and I would assume Ford can economise if it ships 500 units at a time.

So, why once again are we being ripped off?

D-Angle

4,441 posts

206 months

Saturday 27th February
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Just another car aimed at people who don't like cars. Bulky, unwieldy heaps that people are being convinced are 'sporty' and 'fun'. I wouldn't mind if it wasn't for this sector bloating constantly to push other classes of vehicle out of feasibility. I just feel sad whenever another one is launched.

Water Fairy

3,584 posts

119 months

Saturday 27th February
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sidesauce said:
Straff99 said:
Mustang? MUSTANG? I'm no Ford fan (GM rules for me) but this is a dreadful example of using a great name to market a vehicle that has nothing to do with its proud heritage.

I'm sorry. Mustang Mach-E; what a POS
On the other hand... once ICE cars are inevitably outlawed, the Mustang name has IP value which would be wasted in Ford didn't continue using it. Furthermore, most younger people (ie Gen Z) associate the brand name with something older people drive (even if is is a name they might recognise); the heritage the Mustang has holds zero historical importance or relevance to them as they're all about Tesla and BEV cars in general, not ICE'd dinosaurs!

So I disagree - Ford have done the right thing and by making this have anticipated the sea change that's taking place allowing a recognised name to live on. 50 years from now ICE'd cars will be a curio/niche thing, in the West at least, but Mustang will still be a brand.
Maybe. Maybe not. But it's still a POS.

orangeracer

6 posts

7 months

Saturday 27th February
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Susceptible to side winds. Have they made the error of getting the centre of pressure ahead of, or too close to, the centre of gravity? Rarely an issue with an ic engine at the front, but could happen with an underfloor battery pack and would be worse on the upcoming RWD only versions.

swisstoni

10,621 posts

243 months

Saturday 27th February
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It will be a success IMHO. There aren’t many right-size SUV EVs about at the moment for a decent price.

As for the Mustang branding? It’s done it’s job if we are talking about what might otherwise be an also-ran bland offering buried in Ford’s line-up.

DonkeyApple

40,619 posts

133 months

Saturday 27th February
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swisstoni said:
It will be a success IMHO. There aren’t many right-size SUV EVs about at the moment for a decent price.

As for the Mustang branding? It’s done it’s job if we are talking about what might otherwise be an also-ran bland offering buried in Ford’s line-up.
£60k for something that isn't an Audi? I wondered if the price point was well above Ford's branding for what, in the UK, is a local shopping car for the more affluent. Are people who buy Fords going to be at that price point? It seems unlikely.

Mackofthejungle

907 posts

159 months

Saturday 27th February
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Ah, the joy of a momentarily frozen touch screen when you're trying to peer through a misted up windscreen.

Throw it all in the bin, you clueless prats.

Raino144

55 posts

33 months

Saturday 27th February
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Wehrner said:
Once again what irks me is the cost, 42k USD in the US, is about 30K GBP.

I personally shipped a single 66 Mustang from South Africa to the UK and the cost was about 5K taxes, shipping and agent fees included and I would assume Ford can economise if it ships 500 units at a time.

So, why once again are we being ripped off?
30kGBP plus sales taxes and fees - so 37-38k with VAT and first registration VED? Seems about the base price here when the government grant is knocked off...

Will we be seeing typical Ford levels of discount on these or will the dealer prices be more firm? The price list would seem more palatable with 20pc off!

aarondbs

745 posts

110 months

Saturday 27th February
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DonkeyApple said:
£60k for something that isn't an Audi? I wondered if the price point was well above Ford's branding for what, in the UK, is a local shopping car for the more affluent. Are people who buy Fords going to be at that price point? It seems unlikely.
I assume a joke?? Audi a little too chintzy for a well bred! Fords have always had a touch more class than Audi and even more so now.

swisstoni

10,621 posts

243 months

Saturday 27th February
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DonkeyApple said:
swisstoni said:
It will be a success IMHO. There aren’t many right-size SUV EVs about at the moment for a decent price.

As for the Mustang branding? It’s done it’s job if we are talking about what might otherwise be an also-ran bland offering buried in Ford’s line-up.
£60k for something that isn't an Audi? I wondered if the price point was well above Ford's branding for what, in the UK, is a local shopping car for the more affluent. Are people who buy Fords going to be at that price point? It seems unlikely.
Entry level is £40k.