Downcast about EVs

Downcast about EVs

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romeodelta

573 posts

125 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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SWoll said:
romeodelta said:
SWoll said:
romeodelta said:
I went to the Australian Taycan launch this weekend and felt pretty meh.

It's a nice car, sure, but didn't give me any 'fizz'.

I didn't drive it as I had my young son with me, but the price is bonkers too.

A mate swapped his RS3 for a Model X. He loves it, but it makes no sense to me.

I think I will be an ICE guy for as long as it's viable.
So did you just look at it or at least get a passenger ride?

Not sure about Aus $ but in the UK the Taycan is actually cheaper than a comparable Panamera.

Taycan 4S - £83,580
Panamera 4S - £92,440
No passenger ride either, but to be honest, I'm not interested. The fact you can spec a fake noise says it all to me.

I don't know what the base list price is, but the ones in the showroom had a few options - I saw around $220k-$380k eek

To be fair, Oz does have a 33% luxury car tax, which includes the cost of options as well.
So didn't drive it or have a passenger ride, apparently don't appreciate how much Porsche's cost (still cheaper than a Panamera in AUS) and put off by it being silent in operation?

Well, at least you got to spend some quality time with your son I suppose?

Ah, an EV driver.

I can see why you're so defensive now rolleyes

Pegscratch

1,835 posts

72 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Andeh1 said:
Have you ever actually driven an equivalent EV to your ICE car of choice?

Impossibly low centre of gravity, mind blowingly fast linear acceleration, silence only broken by intense motor whine, never needing to visit a petrol station again...

Is like going to from s*x to a blow job... Very very different... But absolutely not in a bad way!!

Edited by Andeh1 on Saturday 27th February 22:31
If you don’t think a blow job is a step down from a good shag you’re doing it wrong.

kingofdbrits

592 posts

157 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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snowandrocks said:
Andeh1 said:
silence only broken by intense motor whine
All I generally hear when I drive our Model 3 is the creaking, rattling and groaning of the shoddily built interior! Drives me insane!

I look forward to someone (Lexus?) eventually making a properly built refined EV. There is a lot of potential there.
A work colleague has a Merc EQC, interior is exactly what you'd expect from an £85k merc. Interesting vid from carwow explaining how while the German manufacturers aren't quite at Tesla levels for battery and range the interiors are leagues ahead, as you'd expect.

Only issue with the Merc range, while it genuinely does 270 miles in warm weather, the recent cold we had (-9) dropped the indicated range to 150 miles, which wasn't good for his 85 mile commute each way. Was only plugged into a normal domestic socket all day which added the square root of feck all so had to stop at a supercharger for 20 mins.
Genuine question to Tesla drivers, does the range drop significantly in the extreme cold too?

markcoopers

458 posts

157 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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kingofdbrits said:
A work colleague has a Merc EQC, interior is exactly what you'd expect from an £85k merc. Interesting vid from carwow explaining how while the German manufacturers aren't quite at Tesla levels for battery and range the interiors are leagues ahead, as you'd expect.

Only issue with the Merc range, while it genuinely does 270 miles in warm weather, the recent cold we had (-9) dropped the indicated range to 150 miles, which wasn't good for his 85 mile commute each way. Was only plugged into a normal domestic socket all day which added the square root of feck all so had to stop at a supercharger for 20 mins.
Genuine question to Tesla drivers, does the range drop significantly in the extreme cold too?
That is quite a drop, some may say alarmingly so. whilst it is implausible to give an accurate range for all weathers and driving styles/roads, even so to suggest a neigh on 270mile range when in reality a little over half of that is entirely probable does smack of dishonesty to me.

QBee

18,085 posts

108 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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What???

Are you suggesting that car manufacturers might on occasion lie?

Perish the thought. They just get caught being economical with the truth.

mybrainhurts

90,280 posts

219 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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QBee said:
I still have a horse, just in case the car breaks down (like it did Friday evening).
It farts for Europe, but nobody is banning horses.....yet.
No, not as long as they're served on the French dinner table.

kiseca

8,854 posts

183 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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85 mile commute each way? That's what, 4 hours a day in the car?

Dunno how long I could live with that.... I suppose it's better than 4 hours on trains and London Underground, which is what I'd face if I had job in the city, but that commute - and the expense of it - is a big reason why I don't.

Harry Flashman

15,122 posts

206 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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The new Audi GT is making me less depressed about EV. Great looking thing.

mybrainhurts

90,280 posts

219 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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FA57REN said:
tommy1973s said:
Just soulless transport pods.
Driving fun should be about driving, not about how much energy is wasted as acoustic emissions.

It's funny you bring up aviation as it is heavily regulated in terms of noise pollution. Yet people still enjoy flying. In fact the purest form.of flight, gliding, is silent!
You just don't get this. Give it up.

mybrainhurts

90,280 posts

219 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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LeroyLooser said:
Cold said:
Andeh1 said:
Is like going to from s*x to a blow job... Very very different... But absolutely not in a bad way!!
Not everybody likes giving blow jobs.
But everyone enjoys getting them, whats your point? Thought it a great analogy personally..

We’re ipace owners and heavily in the industry but also have 2000hp in petrol cars, do both while you can, ev has great merrits
shout...Whoosh parrot for Mr EV Man....hehe

mybrainhurts

90,280 posts

219 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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romeodelta said:
SWoll said:
romeodelta said:
SWoll said:
romeodelta said:
I went to the Australian Taycan launch this weekend and felt pretty meh.

It's a nice car, sure, but didn't give me any 'fizz'.

I didn't drive it as I had my young son with me, but the price is bonkers too.

A mate swapped his RS3 for a Model X. He loves it, but it makes no sense to me.

I think I will be an ICE guy for as long as it's viable.
So did you just look at it or at least get a passenger ride?

Not sure about Aus $ but in the UK the Taycan is actually cheaper than a comparable Panamera.

Taycan 4S - £83,580
Panamera 4S - £92,440
No passenger ride either, but to be honest, I'm not interested. The fact you can spec a fake noise says it all to me.

I don't know what the base list price is, but the ones in the showroom had a few options - I saw around $220k-$380k eek

To be fair, Oz does have a 33% luxury car tax, which includes the cost of options as well.
So didn't drive it or have a passenger ride, apparently don't appreciate how much Porsche's cost (still cheaper than a Panamera in AUS) and put off by it being silent in operation?

Well, at least you got to spend some quality time with your son I suppose?

Ah, an EV driver.

I can see why you're so defensive now rolleyes
They're almost as bad as vegans...rofl

QBee

18,085 posts

108 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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mybrainhurts said:
QBee said:
I still have a horse, just in case the car breaks down (like it did Friday evening).
It farts for Europe, but nobody is banning horses.....yet.
No, not as long as they're served on the French dinner table.
How could you?????


nunpuncher

2,069 posts

89 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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I'm yet to meet someone who owns an EV that isn't a .

Harry Flashman

15,122 posts

206 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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nunpuncher said:
I'm yet to meet someone who owns an EV that isn't a .
Thanks.

But let's be clear. Your missus loves me.

biggbn

9,641 posts

184 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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I feel exactly the opposite to the OP, I can't wait for good ev to become more affordable. A low maintenance, frugal, quiet car that can be programmed to be sitting warm and defrosted for you in the morning and ultimately drive you to your work whilst you get on with something more important. Brilliant, what's not to like. Who LIKES driving in town, in traffic, crawling along...?

smartypants

49,190 posts

133 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Could just order a taxi?

biggbn

9,641 posts

184 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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smartypants said:
Could just order a taxi?
Prefer my own space man, and having the use of personal transport. How much would a taxi from Dundee to Edinburgh centre cost for instance?

Harry Flashman

15,122 posts

206 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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biggbn said:
I feel exactly the opposite to the OP, I can't wait for good ev to become more affordable. A low maintenance, frugal, quiet car that can be programmed to be sitting warm and defrosted for you in the morning and ultimately drive you to your work whilst you get on with something more important. Brilliant, what's not to like. Who LIKES driving in town, in traffic, crawling along...?
Exactly. EV or some weedy 1.5 turbo petrol borefest as found in a whole gamut of everyday transport?

I'll take the Leaf, thanks.

survivalist

3,312 posts

154 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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biggbn said:
I feel exactly the opposite to the OP, I can't wait for good ev to become more affordable. A low maintenance, frugal, quiet car that can be programmed to be sitting warm and defrosted for you in the morning and ultimately drive you to your work whilst you get on with something more important. Brilliant, what's not to like. Who LIKES driving in town, in traffic, crawling along...?
You can get a Nissan Leaf for £200 a month now. It won’t drive you to work, but I think it does all the other stuff. Doubt it’s going to get much cheaper than that.

Actually, one more people chose that option the government will have to raise taxes somehow to cover what they are loosing in fuel duty and VED.

Keep meaning to do it, but home schooling is taking up a lot of my time an energy.

That and my 3 year old loves the sound of a V8. That said he also loves the vanity mirrors in the sun shades, so who knows.

survivalist

3,312 posts

154 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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biggbn said:
I feel exactly the opposite to the OP, I can't wait for good ev to become more affordable. A low maintenance, frugal, quiet car that can be programmed to be sitting warm and defrosted for you in the morning and ultimately drive you to your work whilst you get on with something more important. Brilliant, what's not to like. Who LIKES driving in town, in traffic, crawling along...?
You can get a Nissan Leaf for £200 a month now. It won’t drive you to work, but I think it does all the other stuff. Doubt it’s going to get much cheaper than that.

Actually, once more people chose that option the government will have to raise taxes somehow to cover what they are loosing in fuel duty and VED.

Keep meaning to do it, but home schooling is taking up a lot of my time an energy.

That and my 3 year old loves the sound of a V8. That said he also loves the vanity mirrors in the sun shades, so who knows.