RE: Volvo reveals 408hp C40 Recharge

RE: Volvo reveals 408hp C40 Recharge

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CDP

6,749 posts

218 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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reeventu said:
If it is only available online and there are no dealers I guess that the part exchange haggling is no longer available. Basically it seems this is the price take it or leave it , and its up to you what you do with your old car.
also what about checking the car actually suits you , comfort , seating , controls , driving etc , etc.
yes

To me the big issues with online are:

Who do you go to if there's a problem with the car? The dealership is the company who sold you a car so ultimately they are the ones with the responsibility for customer service.

How do you get a test drive, compare different models etc?

Do you get 15 days (as per distance selling regs) to return it for any reason? If that's the case there have to be limits or do they just refuse to take another order? I'm guessing they've compared the cost of handling returns with dealership margins.

Seat comfort, driving position etc are all essentials. It gives me the impression it's OK for people who don't care about the way their car drives. Fair point that I've bought laptops and washing machines online but a car is more than that. Or maybe not for Volvo?

AshD

167 posts

213 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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TinyMonster said:
Can you *imagine* how awful busy roundabouts are going to be in that world?
All drivers will need to attend driver training in Milton Keynes. Everyone who lives there is already adept at negotiating roundabouts at high speed.

I’m convinced that when in other towns and cities folks are genuinely scared / deem my driving too aggressive around roundabouts at speeds which are normal on the MK racetrack that all the locals are comfortable with.

That said my 3rd party Tesla app is showing that 99% of all other Tesla drivers have better driving efficiency than me...oops.

the Carguy

36 posts

35 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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CDP said:
yes

To me the big issues with online are:

Who do you go to if there's a problem with the car? The dealership is the company who sold you a car so ultimately they are the ones with the responsibility for customer service.

How do you get a test drive, compare different models etc?

Do you get 15 days (as per distance selling regs) to return it for any reason? If that's the case there have to be limits or do they just refuse to take another order? I'm guessing they've compared the cost of handling returns with dealership margins.

Seat comfort, driving position etc are all essentials. It gives me the impression it's OK for people who don't care about the way their car drives. Fair point that I've bought laptops and washing machines online but a car is more than that. Or maybe not for Volvo?
Wow you sound like great fun!!

CDP

6,749 posts

218 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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the Carguy said:
CDP said:
yes

To me the big issues with online are:

Who do you go to if there's a problem with the car? The dealership is the company who sold you a car so ultimately they are the ones with the responsibility for customer service.

How do you get a test drive, compare different models etc?

Do you get 15 days (as per distance selling regs) to return it for any reason? If that's the case there have to be limits or do they just refuse to take another order? I'm guessing they've compared the cost of handling returns with dealership margins.

Seat comfort, driving position etc are all essentials. It gives me the impression it's OK for people who don't care about the way their car drives. Fair point that I've bought laptops and washing machines online but a car is more than that. Or maybe not for Volvo?
Wow you sound like great fun!!
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I was simply pointing out that I want to look at a car and have a test drive before buying and if it all goes wrong I want to be able to talk face to face with the people who sold it me.

Those don't seem like a lot to ask in return for a lot of money. It's not a fridge you know.


TinyMonster

171 posts

2 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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AshD said:
All drivers will need to attend driver training in Milton Keynes. Everyone who lives there is already adept at negotiating roundabouts at high speed.

I’m convinced that when in other towns and cities folks are genuinely scared / deem my driving too aggressive around roundabouts at speeds which are normal on the MK racetrack that all the locals are comfortable with.

That said my 3rd party Tesla app is showing that 99% of all other Tesla drivers have better driving efficiency than me...oops.
None of that seems like anything to be proud of but that's possibly just me.

Timberwolf

5,202 posts

182 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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I'm still not a fan of the trend for all mainstream EVs to be some variant on the compact SUV bodystyle, although I do like the ridiculously chunky proportions that make this look more like a 1:1 scale Hot Wheels than a normal car.

I'm hoping things get better once manufacturers are building pure EV architecture. The C40 suffers because the CMA architecture gives it that awkward "front axle tucked under cabin" appearance of a car with a front transaxle, while also having the height of the underfloor battery packs to contend with. (I'm no expert, but I imagine the need to fit conventional engine and transmission bits to the same platform limits what can be done in terms of the battery packaging, as Tesla seem to be able to make things much lower and longer). I'd love to see something like an electric version of the V90 or a car which uses the pure EV packaging flexibility for a wheel-at-each-corner setup, at this point new electric announcements are getting a little, "yawn, another compact SUV" no matter how impressive the power figures.

TH30G60

3 posts

53 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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There needs to be a serious amount of reliable charging infrastructure built to support this 'all electric' goal / target - its currently hopeless.

Miserablegit

2,183 posts

73 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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My biggest fear for the move to EV is the “car as a service” concept as espoused by Volvo- great - for 400/month (or whatever the monthlies will be) forever you can drive a new one of these.
It’s not being done for the consumers’ benefit.


echazfraz

740 posts

111 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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TH30G60 said:
There needs to be a serious amount of reliable charging infrastructure built to support this 'all electric' goal / target - its currently hopeless.
Have you thought about emailing that to the Secretary of State for Transport? He's probably not aware.

Dohnut

74 posts

10 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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CDP said:
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I was simply pointing out that I want to look at a car and have a test drive before buying and if it all goes wrong I want to be able to talk face to face with the people who sold it me.

Those don't seem like a lot to ask in return for a lot of money. It's not a fridge you know.
Suspect you’ll be able to book a test drive online and have an ‘experience car’ delivered/collected.

pb8g09

817 posts

33 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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Miserablegit said:
My biggest fear for the move to EV is the “car as a service” concept as espoused by Volvo- great - for 400/month (or whatever the monthlies will be) forever you can drive a new one of these.
It’s not being done for the consumers’ benefit.
+1

jimmytheone

267 posts

182 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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Ray_Aber said:
Not good. Dumpy, on stilts, with a dreary colour in the pictures. I much prefer the XC40 and Polestar 2.

Ah well. Where's that Ioniq 5? Now THERE's an attractive car!
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Dumpy sums it up very well.

Also, it may have 400bhp but what does it weigh? And will if feel like the mustang mach-e (slightly disappointing performance-wise, according PH review)?

TheOrangePeril

657 posts

144 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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rwindmill said:


449 bhp.............................Very unsporting!!

Oh remember how we all laughed, at the ridiculous notion of a 'Sporty Off road vehicle'.

Who would have thought Lamborghini were such visionaries.
The difference is that was actually built to go fast off road. The modern blobs of pure mass and air resistance have no such purposeful justification, other than ego signalling to the neighbours.

reeventu

67 posts

152 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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Dohnut said:
Suspect you’ll be able to book a test drive online and have an ‘experience car’ delivered/collected.
still need to get rid of the old one even if it is electric.

Do not think I would just hand over 60k without spending sometime with the car ,what happened to the 48 hour test drives of 2019 ?

HorneyMX5

4,854 posts

114 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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dukeboy749r said:
For a company that is keen to limit anyone driving its vehicles to 112mph and their focus on being a safe/comfortable/sharp end of innovation - why the need for 400bhp, versus say 300 mile (plus) range?
Because with electric motors/batteries peak power and range are linked. Reducing the peak power output does not increase the range.

CDP

6,749 posts

218 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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Dohnut said:
CDP said:
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I was simply pointing out that I want to look at a car and have a test drive before buying and if it all goes wrong I want to be able to talk face to face with the people who sold it me.

Those don't seem like a lot to ask in return for a lot of money. It's not a fridge you know.
Suspect you’ll be able to book a test drive online and have an ‘experience car’ delivered/collected.
That could work, especially if they have a big enough demonstration fleet to get a more reasonable idea of what you get. (i.e. passive dampers etc.).

I think I'd miss the ability to look over a car in the showroom though.

Of course if this becomes more common it opens up the established players to newer entrants. Especially the Chinese, although Volvo's owners are probably happy with this...

PH User

17,380 posts

72 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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TheOrangePeril said:
The difference is that was actually built to go fast off road. The modern blobs of pure mass and air resistance have no such purposeful justification, other than ego signalling to the neighbours.
Great rant.

The only problem is when you ask around, some people actually find taller cars better than lower cars, so they don't buy (or rent if we are really in rant mode) these cars to show off to the neighbours, that's just something that's said on Piston Heads.

David87

5,839 posts

176 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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Sorry, I don't really understand the difference between this and the Polestar 2? Good on Volvo for going all-electric and dumping the dealers, but this car seems weird.

CDP

6,749 posts

218 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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David87 said:
Sorry, I don't really understand the difference between this and the Polestar 2?
The people they are selling it to is my guess. Under the surface the two cars will be broadly the same as are an A3, Octavia, Leon and Golf.

simonrockman

6,130 posts

219 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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AshD said:
All drivers will need to attend driver training in Milton Keynes. Everyone who lives there is already adept at negotiating roundabouts at high speed.

I’m convinced that when in other towns and cities folks are genuinely scared / deem my driving too aggressive around roundabouts at speeds which are normal on the MK racetrack that all the locals are comfortable with.
I used to visit family in MK when I had my VX220, I loved barely lifting for the roundabouts.