Stupid maintenance requirements

Stupid maintenance requirements

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boyse7en

4,724 posts

130 months

Friday 12th March
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offset said:
Makes me smile, there is the reason why we love old cars, simple to fix, no ecus, no electric devices, (2cv,austin mini, etc)
You obviously never had to change the clutch in a Mini. You were lucky to walk away with any skin on your hands after several hours of swearing at inaccessible bolts.

Pan Pan Pan

7,762 posts

76 months

Friday 12th March
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boyse7en said:
offset said:
Makes me smile, there is the reason why we love old cars, simple to fix, no ecus, no electric devices, (2cv,austin mini, etc)
You obviously never had to change the clutch in a Mini. You were lucky to walk away with any skin on your hands after several hours of swearing at inaccessible bolts.
I had to do this on a Morris 1100, and it was fairly easy, but I suspect there was quite a bit more room than in a mini.

Dr Interceptor

6,145 posts

161 months

Friday 12th March
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Lots of dashboard stripping photos, here’s mine, to replace a heater fan in an R56 MINI


SimeRS

4 posts

31 months

Sunday 21st March
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Renault are bad for this mk2 megane could do it without removing the wheel if you were prepared to bleed, mk3 megane 250 headlight out job but actually easy/quick to do. Mk3 clio RS 200 supposed to be a bumper off job but is possible by again being prepared to bleed and swear a lot and removing screen wash filler air intakes and battery/fuse box covers to give an extra few mm for big hands.

michaelfoz

10 posts

74 months

Sunday 21st March
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Johnnytheboy said:
Clio 172s/182s deserve an honourable mention for having an aux belt at 3 year intervals AND a cambelt at 5 year intervals. The latter IIRC was something like £600.
The good news being that more often than not when the aux belt goes it wipes out the cam belt 😂

Aux belt is an easy job in comparison to the cam belt. Wheel off and arch liner removed at a maximum

SteveR1979

334 posts

106 months

Sunday 21st March
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Porsche 996

Rear drivers side brake line?
Engine out


wiliferus

3,678 posts

163 months

Sunday 21st March
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Headlight bulb on a V70 with the HID bendy lights.

If you look on top of the airbox you’ll see things got so serious I took my sunglasses off smile

Nealio

300 posts

158 months

Sunday 21st March
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SimeRS said:
Renault are bad for this mk2 megane could do it without removing the wheel if you were prepared to bleed, mk3 megane 250 headlight out job but actually easy/quick to do. Mk3 clio RS 200 supposed to be a bumper off job but is possible by again being prepared to bleed and swear a lot and removing screen wash filler air intakes and battery/fuse box covers to give an extra few mm for big hands.
Yeah the headlight is easy to unfasten from the body and it would slide out... except they give you about 1 inch of slack on the loom and the plug is orientated with the clip on the bottom where you can't easily get your finger to it. Brilliant, thanks for that.

Pales into insignificance compared to changing a pollen filter... simple job I assume on a LHD drive one where it's accessed from the passenger footwell. Not so much on a RHD. You have to remove the clutch pedal and then thread the filter through a hole smaller than the filter itself, and you have to do it blind/by feel while contorted in the footwell. mad

Edited by Nealio on Sunday 21st March 12:40

hman

7,440 posts

159 months

Sunday 21st March
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Heater matrix audi 80&90 - dash board out job 1 day to remove and 1 day to reinstall

Albigularis

33 posts

53 months

Sunday 21st March
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The C6 RS6 comes to mind here.

50p oil pump o ring, most wont do it without removing the engine. 50p part, £3,500 labour. Luckily there are metal fluid lines behind the driver side wheel liner which corrode like hell. Also an engine out job.

The official Audi service documents also say that to change the rear two spark plugs, you have to lift the engine about an inch. Can be done simply with just sliding some extensions in one at a time iirc.

Q7 4L requires passenger seat removed to get to the battery I think?

smudge71

8 posts

89 months

Sunday 21st March
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Smart Roadster- having to remove the entire rear end to change 3 of the 6 spark plugs was a PITA. And it’s needed every 14,000 miles.

Saying that it can be done quickly once you get used to it.

bearman68

3,131 posts

97 months

Sunday 21st March
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Little Pete said:

Renault Scenic heater motor replacement.
Are you sure - I'm pretty sure the unit swivels CCW from under the glove box (which has to be removed of course).

But the cabin filter is a pain, as the clutch pedal needs to be removed.

Gooose

892 posts

44 months

Sunday 21st March
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Freaking side light on a Suzuki Grand Vitara, I don’t know much about cars but I can do most jobs with a little guidance from the inter webs.

I didn’t know a side light fault was a MOT failure and stupidly thought all I would have to do was open the bonnet and swap the bulb from the holder. Googled it and realise it was an MOT failure and cue me stripping the dam bumper grill and god knows what else in the dark for the retest.

Any car manufacturer that can’t design an easy bulb change needs flogging!

MB140

2,842 posts

68 months

Sunday 21st March
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RizzoTheRat said:
Somewhat out of scope of the thread, but I came across an article the other day on US Coast Guard Icebreaker that had an engine fire and had to replace the engine. This involved cutting out a massive section of the hull and welding it back up afterwards yikes Makes working on cars seem simple.
Definitely out the scope of this thread but still the same about ill thought out design.

My wife used to run an oil rig out in the North Sea. They had two Jet turbine engines onboard to produce power. One of them st the bed whist she was on shift. Unfortunately the turbine was underneath an additional module they had laced on top of the rig.

Apparently they ended up cutting holes through floors and ceilings of multiple levels of the new module so they could get the crane in to pull the unserviceable engine out.

The other option was to completely remove a whole module from a North Sea oil platform to gain access. I don’t want to know what the bill was for that job.

fido

15,179 posts

220 months

Sunday 21st March
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As much as I love mid-engine cars they are always going to be a pain when it comes to maintenance. Sticking a hot engine in between passengers and luggage comes with compromises. That’s why they should go in the back like a 911!

Imbrium

1 posts

55 months

Sunday 21st March
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Renault Modus is a nightmare to do almost anything on. It's basically a Clio with the windscreen moved 8 inches forward.
Front bumper off to access most of the bulbs. Scuttle panels off (two of them, on top of each other) to even get to the oil filler cap (the yellow cap in the pic is the dipstick). Oil filter is crammed down the front of the engine and God help you if it's been put on tight because there's no room to get tools on it. Once I had to hammer a screwdriver onto the dimpled edges of the filter case to get it to loosen enough to remove by hand. Once it's loose you have to basically drop it into the bottom of the bumper and collect it from underneath. No point wearing gloves because they'll be doilies by the time you pull your arm out. I was definitely a rank amateur DIYer back when I was working on these but I wouldn't ever touch another.
Charming little cars; my parents had three Moduses (Modii?) at one stage. But I'm glad I don't have to work on them any more!

Krikkit

21,221 posts

146 months

Sunday 21st March
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That does look very cramped. Sounds like the kind of car you get used to taking completely apart for easy service jobs!

Cyder

6,806 posts

185 months

Sunday 21st March
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Gooose said:
Freaking side light on a Suzuki Grand Vitara, I don’t know much about cars but I can do most jobs with a little guidance from the inter webs.

I didn’t know a side light fault was a MOT failure and stupidly thought all I would have to do was open the bonnet and swap the bulb from the holder. Googled it and realise it was an MOT failure and cue me stripping the dam bumper grill and god knows what else in the dark for the retest.

Any car manufacturer that can’t design an easy bulb change needs flogging!
You’re welcome to come and have a go at designing and packaging a lamp into a car anytime you like. It’ll take about 3 years from sketch to launch though so bring some sandwiches and a flask.

Don’t forget you need to consider the styling, the performance, the lighting layout regulations, the pedestrian safety, the layout of all the other oily engine bits behind it and the Nov doubt existing platform you’re mating it to, the vehicle crash tests, the assembly method, oh and the budget and development schedule.

Trust me, the design engineers don’t make bulbs difficult to change on purpose, it’s just that the serviceability just ends up somewhere on a long list of priorities to be considered during the design process and inevitably compromises end up being made.

Most of the exterior design guys I know are into cars and regularly fight with our own vehicles. We know what an arse it is in when they’re difficult to work on.

Edited by Cyder on Sunday 21st March 23:06

Mr Tidy

13,878 posts

92 months

Monday 22nd March
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Cyder said:
Trust me, the design engineers don’t make bulbs difficult to change on purpose, it’s just that the serviceability just ends up somewhere on a long list of priorities to be considered during the design process and inevitably compromises end up being made.

Most of the exterior design guys I know are into cars and regularly fight with our own vehicles. We know what an arse it is in when they’re difficult to work on.

Edited by Cyder on Sunday 21st March 23:06
But they don't make it easy either do they?

I had to change an Angel Eye bulb on a BMW E90 a couple of years ago and it was a real PITA.

In reality I suspect the design guys are told anything they come up with only has to outlast the warranty anyway.

I just hope some of them run older cars so they get the later-user experience first hand!

A Winner Is You

22,971 posts

192 months

Monday 22nd March
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Cyder said:
Gooose said:
Freaking side light on a Suzuki Grand Vitara, I don’t know much about cars but I can do most jobs with a little guidance from the inter webs.

I didn’t know a side light fault was a MOT failure and stupidly thought all I would have to do was open the bonnet and swap the bulb from the holder. Googled it and realise it was an MOT failure and cue me stripping the dam bumper grill and god knows what else in the dark for the retest.

Any car manufacturer that can’t design an easy bulb change needs flogging!
You’re welcome to come and have a go at designing and packaging a lamp into a car anytime you like. It’ll take about 3 years from sketch to launch though so bring some sandwiches and a flask.

Don’t forget you need to consider the styling, the performance, the lighting layout regulations, the pedestrian safety, the layout of all the other oily engine bits behind it and the Nov doubt existing platform you’re mating it to, the vehicle crash tests, the assembly method, oh and the budget and development schedule.

Trust me, the design engineers don’t make bulbs difficult to change on purpose, it’s just that the serviceability just ends up somewhere on a long list of priorities to be considered during the design process and inevitably compromises end up being made.

Most of the exterior design guys I know are into cars and regularly fight with our own vehicles. We know what an arse it is in when they’re difficult to work on.

Edited by Cyder on Sunday 21st March 23:06
It cannot be that difficult to design a headlight that can be removed with a few clips, in fact some manufacturers already do it.