Stupid maintenance requirements

Stupid maintenance requirements

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Fleckers

2,701 posts

165 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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Quisling said:
landrover discovery and Rangerover spppooorrrrtttaahhhhhhhh

You have to remove the body to change the turbo

What other bloody stupid things out there in fixing land?
Same with the Nissan Navara 3.0 V6 Outlaw body off to deal with Turbo

Little Pete

876 posts

58 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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M22s said:
Little Pete said:

Renault Scenic heater motor replacement.
It’s no wonder the bloody things develop rattles laugh
We are just waiting for the customer to return, “since you did my heater motor.........”. laugh

Baldchap

4,065 posts

56 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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Little Pete said:

Renault Scenic heater motor replacement.
The brake servo is pedal box and floor out or move the engine out of the way.

Muddle238

2,431 posts

77 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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Quisling said:
landrover discovery and Rangerover spppooorrrrtttaahhhhhhhh

You have to remove the body to change the turbo

What other bloody stupid things out there in fixing land?
I don’t know if this counts because it’s so old, but to replace the clutch on a Series Land Rover involves removing the gearbox and transfer box, through the cabin and out via the passenger door. This involves removing the floors, transmission tunnel and seat box...

Ian974

2,351 posts

163 months

Tuesday 2nd March
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The spinner of plates said:
Every day a journey said:
TinyMonster said:
F50 clutch change still makes me smile.

WOW!!!!

I bet that's not cheap!
pfft, so they'd have you believe - just slide the overlaps and a pair of 19mm joining nuts & bolts either side right?
It looks serious, but I'd imagine it's probably actually a lot simpler than a lot of standard runabouts.

keo

986 posts

134 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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I did the heater matrix on my 106 gti years ago. I had to remove the whole dash and few bits in the engine bay if I remember right. Never again.

TGTiff

321 posts

148 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Headlight bulb on a GTR.
All the front bumper, front undertray and then the entire head light!

kev b

2,476 posts

130 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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I am surprised there has been no mention of Ducati so far, let me nominate, well any job really!

Johnnytheboy

21,995 posts

150 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Clio 172s/182s deserve an honourable mention for having an aux belt at 3 year intervals AND a cambelt at 5 year intervals. The latter IIRC was something like £600.

PomBstard

4,461 posts

206 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Replacing the headlight bulbs on a 2013 Liberty...


Pit Pony

4,205 posts

85 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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M22s said:
Headlights which require removal of anything other than the cover, to change filaments drives me mad.

As has been suggested - I think the OEM’s engineer them so average Joe won’t attempt any DIY.

As great as some of the tech is, there is still a lot to be said for the analogue days of old.
I've sat in Design reviews in the Aerpspace industry with 3d glasses on and the whole wall Having a Trent 1000 projected at it, and the Chief design engineer, asking for the tool envelop to be shown.

And the Cad jockey bringing up a 3D image of the tools in sequence and position.

And the designer being asked specifically about removal times.

I've been to. Industry exhibitions at the NEC where a university had a virtual 3 D model of a Caterham.and you could have a go and the maintenance tasks.

So technology exists. But is the requirement in the spec. If you said " the design must allow the bulbs to be replaced in 5 minutes with no tools in the dark, a designer would have to achieve that.

If you said oil change must take no more than 10 minutes, then thought would need to be put into how.

If I find out who made spark plug replace ment on a V6 omega such a pain, I'll cut his hands with a jubilee clip.

irocfan

26,597 posts

154 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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IIRC the cambelt on the Cadillac STS needs changing at 100k miles which is an engine out job. Depreciation on those was so catastrophic that it wasn't a job worth doing.

4th generation F-body is an absolute pain to change the rearmost spark-plugs as there is (virtually) no room at all

Gary29

3,274 posts

63 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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paintman said:
Leon R said:
PH User said:
Leon R said:
Removing the wheel to change a bulb springs immediately to mind.

Looking at you Renault Megane.
That depends which generation of Megane that you are looking at. Some are very easy to change bulbs.
Surely from the thread title and the description of the task you can work out which generation of Megane I am referring to....
Megane 225 was wheel off to do the headlight bulb through a hole in the wing liner.

They went one better for the side light bulb. Bumper off. I kid you not. I was sure there would be a workaround. Not that I could find or in any of the Renault forums. Thought I'd better replace both whilst I was at it!
I had a 225 back in the day, and I was able to change the headlights and sidelights through the access flap/port in the arch liner. Full lock and you didn't even need to take a wheel off, it was fiddly and you needed some nifty fingerwork, no denying that, but it could be done without removing the bumper.

ExPat2B

2,027 posts

164 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Pit Pony said:
M22s said:
Headlights which require removal of anything other than the cover, to change filaments drives me mad.

As has been suggested - I think the OEM’s engineer them so average Joe won’t attempt any DIY.

As great as some of the tech is, there is still a lot to be said for the analogue days of old.
I've sat in Design reviews in the Aerpspace industry with 3d glasses on and the whole wall Having a Trent 1000 projected at it, and the Chief design engineer, asking for the tool envelop to be shown.

And the Cad jockey bringing up a 3D image of the tools in sequence and position.

And the designer being asked specifically about removal times.

I've been to. Industry exhibitions at the NEC where a university had a virtual 3 D model of a Caterham.and you could have a go and the maintenance tasks.

So technology exists. But is the requirement in the spec. If you said " the design must allow the bulbs to be replaced in 5 minutes with no tools in the dark, a designer would have to achieve that.

If you said oil change must take no more than 10 minutes, then thought would need to be put into how.

If I find out who made spark plug replace ment on a V6 omega such a pain, I'll cut his hands with a jubilee clip.
Pit Pony said:
M22s said:
Headlights which require removal of anything other than the cover, to change filaments drives me mad.

As has been suggested - I think the OEM’s engineer them so average Joe won’t attempt any DIY.

As great as some of the tech is, there is still a lot to be said for the analogue days of old.
I've sat in Design reviews in the Aerpspace industry with 3d glasses on and the whole wall Having a Trent 1000 projected at it, and the Chief design engineer, asking for the tool envelop to be shown.

And the Cad jockey bringing up a 3D image of the tools in sequence and position.

And the designer being asked specifically about removal times.

I've been to. Industry exhibitions at the NEC where a university had a virtual 3 D model of a Caterham.and you could have a go and the maintenance tasks.

So technology exists. But is the requirement in the spec. If you said " the design must allow the bulbs to be replaced in 5 minutes with no tools in the dark, a designer would have to achieve that.

If you said oil change must take no more than 10 minutes, then thought would need to be put into how.

If I find out who made spark plug replace ment on a V6 omega such a pain, I'll cut his hands with a jubilee clip.
Dude, take your ring off when working on cars, its like a ring pull for your finger, it is also highly conductive and on your left hand which puts your heart in the ground path for anything live, and you can also short something straight across it which is a real nasty burn on something you can't take off easily. And buy a pair of work gloves https://www.workgloves.co.uk/hexarmor-chrome-serie...

Every day a journey

389 posts

2 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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ExPat2B said:
Dude, take your ring off when working on cars, its like a ring pull for your finger, it is also highly conductive and on your left hand which puts your heart in the ground path for anything live, and you can also short something straight across it which is a real nasty burn on something you can't take off easily. And buy a pair of work gloves https://www.workgloves.co.uk/hexarmor-chrome-serie...
From the looks of it I'd say replacing the plugs on a V6 Omega would be easier than removing that ring!

Pan Pan Pan

7,671 posts

75 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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I suspect that by now we have realized that this issue is down to the way modern cars are designed and `built'? assembled? mainly to make it easy for factory personnel to just plug in completed modules, as the vehicle goes through their work station. Getting to some of these modules or a part of a module that has failed in use, is not high up in the list of priorities.

PH User

17,380 posts

72 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Pan Pan Pan said:
I suspect that by now we have realized that this issue is down to the way modern cars are designed and `built'? assembled? mainly to make it easy for factory personnel to just plug in completed modules, as the vehicle goes through their work station. Getting to some of these modules or a part of a module that has failed in use, is not high up in the list of priorities.
So they make them trickier to build but easier to fix? Great, but that will make them more expensive and everyone is already moaning about cars being too expensive.

bobtail4x4

2,950 posts

73 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Its been going on for a while, the early 68-72 scimitars had a heater that filled the vent with dead leaves, but needed either the engine or gearbox removing to access it,
10 min job once you can get at it.

CABC

4,133 posts

65 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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21st Century Man said:
TinyMonster said:
21st Century Man said:
I greased my Kingpins yesterday
It involved nipples and lots of pumping too.
at every 500 miles it could be a weekly affair(e) too.

Pan Pan Pan

7,671 posts

75 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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PH User said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I suspect that by now we have realized that this issue is down to the way modern cars are designed and `built'? assembled? mainly to make it easy for factory personnel to just plug in completed modules, as the vehicle goes through their work station. Getting to some of these modules or a part of a module that has failed in use, is not high up in the list of priorities.
So they make them trickier to build but easier to fix? Great, but that will make them more expensive and everyone is already moaning about cars being too expensive.
Well it seems then that we are damned if we do ,and damned if we don't, whatever car we buy.
But if anyone is going to have the equipment to design, and build a car with its `inevitable' ongoing maintenance in mind, it will be the manufacturers, and not the punters who buy them.