RE: Audi RS e-tron GT | UK Review

RE: Audi RS e-tron GT | UK Review

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jason61c

4,166 posts

138 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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LordFlathead said:
Sure the Audi guys will love this but at £130k it's nothing special performance wise. The Tesla Model 3 LR is just as capable at £51.5k with the add on Performance Boost. Brings acceleration to within 0.1 seconds, and the Model 3 is 400KG lighter and way more efficient. Tesla also has a shorter wheelbase and fires out of bends just the same and it has better regenerative braking. LR has 300 miles range plus.. Then there is the Supercharger network. Even if the Audi was the same price as a Model 3 I would take the Tesla everyday over anything else that relies on the public charging network, it's just not reliable, maybe in 5 years time but not now. Audi shouts "Look at me!" Model 3 doesn't grab any unwanted attention.. maybe I'm getting too old wink

How about comparing it to the Tesla Model S which is more of a like for like offering then?

Tesla Model S Plaid £110k
390mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
1.99s

Tesla Model S Plaid + £130k
520+mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
<1.99s

Keep your Audi..

Did I mention the Supercharger network? smile
Aren't they all estimated figures for the Tesla? also, you've seen the quality you get for your £110k from Tesla? doesn't fit a modern £20k car. Also, I'm guessing your eyeballs work so you have seen how it looks?



Escort Si-130

2,695 posts

144 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Earl of Petrol said:
Putting EV on one side for a moment.
Why do performance Audi’s have to look so damn aggressive? This belongs in Mad Max. A Few years back the perception was that Audis were bought by nice decent people, professionals. BMWs were the pushy persons choice. How times have changed.
Total BS. Maybe in the 1980's and early 90's Audi's were bought by decent people. But the late 90's and into the 2000's they were bought by a lot of idiots just as well, not surprised on top gear when they said that they were driven by cocks.

Escort Si-130

2,695 posts

144 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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steveb8189 said:
tim-jxv5n said:
Just dont do it, what's the point whilst we've still got combustion. I know 3 people with Taycans, 2 have problems with the brakes and my brother in laws stopped dead last week in the middle of the road and an hgv nearly killed him and my nephew.

Government will do a u turn once people are being killed on the roads
Plenty of stories of Golf's stopping dead on motorways too so I wouldn't just blame the EV side of it
German reliability

Terminator X

10,758 posts

168 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Evanivitch said:
Terminator X said:
Evanivitch said:
BlackWidow13 said:
2.4 tonnes. That is a lot of tonnes.
The RS7 is over 2 tonnes too! Lightweight isn't part of the target market.
Bigger batteries for more range / power / acceleration means it will get worse before Miraculous Battery Improvements next year.

TX.
Remind me again how long the Tesla P100D line has been available and how many mass produced cars have larger batteries?
No idea. You don't think that EV's will get heavier as better range is demanded? The car as this review is 2400kg with a not great range, how will Audi improve the range without more battery weight?

TX.

paul13

199 posts

166 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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DaveyBoyWonder said:
Audi have nailed it with the design of this. I love it. The price, less so. But I'm not in a position to go and buy a £100k ICE car anyway.
Agreed. Not an EV fan, but I do like this (but cannot afford it).

Escort Si-130

2,695 posts

144 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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runnerbean 14 said:
A lovely car, but still not good enough. Look at the size and weight of the thing! Who wants to be lugging round half a ton extra over the Tesla Model 3, which has similar performance, more range and dimensions suited to to UK roads. Not to mention a better charging infrastructure.

Whilst I could justify a Taycan or one of these, and though I'm far from a Tesla fanboi (much lower build quality) as a device for getting from A to B and also for enjoyment I'd still pick the Model 3. I continue to marvel at the Model 3's packaging, and an incidental benefit is that the Tesla's depreciation will be a fraction of the others - depreciation being the main ownership cost of any electric car.
build quality...another word for (i'm really a badge snob)

unpc

2,380 posts

177 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Ok Tesla have never quite got a handle on quality yet or making anything truly desirable but if they did the other OEMs might as well give up.

I find it strange that after all this time, no one else gets close to the efficiency of Tesla.

FWIW this looks good but isn't really a very good EV.

SWoll

10,875 posts

222 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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jason61c said:
Aren't they all estimated figures for the Tesla? also, you've seen the quality you get for your £110k from Tesla? doesn't fit a modern £20k car. Also, I'm guessing your eyeballs work so you have seen how it looks?
biglaugh

Didn't even have to check who posted this as knew it would be you.

Your quality comments are getting silly now. I came from 10 years of high end 5 Series, E-Class and A6's before getting our Tesla and whilst I agree the quality isn't comparable it's only really a concern for those with an OCD for soft touch plastics and panel gaps and is on a par with Alfa and JLR products I've driven over the years. Definitely needs improving but far from a deal breaker.

Styling is also a pointless point of discussion, utterly subjective. I much prefer the Taycan to the E-Tron (which to me looks like just another generic Audi product) but appreciate not everyone will feel the same.

unpc said:
Ok Tesla have never quite got a handle on quality yet or making anything truly desirable but if they did the other OEMs might as well give up.

I find it strange that after all this time, no one else gets close to the efficiency of Tesla.

FWIW this looks good but isn't really a very good EV.
If judged purely on efficiency then no, but then charging speeds and consistency on these VAG products do put Tesla to shame so not as big an issue as suggested even for those doing big mileages?

Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 3rd March 20:03

Escort Si-130

2,695 posts

144 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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J4CKO said:
solopb said:
GRT 4 LONG JOURNEYS, SOUTH OF FRANCE ,GREEN FLAG EV REMOVALS.COM.
South of France ? wouldn't Paris be better seeing as you so obviously favour capitals ?
lmfao, legend

kambites

61,056 posts

185 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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SWoll said:
If judged purely on efficiency then no, but then charging speeds and consistency on these VAG products do put Tesla to shame so not as big an issue as suggested even for those doing big mileages?
Even if that's true (which I'm not convinced of) how many chargers are there which can feed these things fast enough for it to help?

Escort Si-130

2,695 posts

144 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Drinksleeprepeat said:
The colour of the press car reminds me of how British Leyland were painting Austin Allegro’s !
https://youtu.be/g5AVOo9Qw3E different colour

LordFlathead

8,981 posts

222 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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jason61c said:
LordFlathead said:
Sure the Audi guys will love this but at £130k it's nothing special performance wise. The Tesla Model 3 LR is just as capable at £51.5k with the add on Performance Boost. Brings acceleration to within 0.1 seconds, and the Model 3 is 400KG lighter and way more efficient. Tesla also has a shorter wheelbase and fires out of bends just the same and it has better regenerative braking. LR has 300 miles range plus.. Then there is the Supercharger network. Even if the Audi was the same price as a Model 3 I would take the Tesla everyday over anything else that relies on the public charging network, it's just not reliable, maybe in 5 years time but not now. Audi shouts "Look at me!" Model 3 doesn't grab any unwanted attention.. maybe I'm getting too old wink

How about comparing it to the Tesla Model S which is more of a like for like offering then?

Tesla Model S Plaid £110k
390mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
1.99s

Tesla Model S Plaid + £130k
520+mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
<1.99s

Keep your Audi..

Did I mention the Supercharger network? smile
Aren't they all estimated figures for the Tesla? also, you've seen the quality you get for your £110k from Tesla? doesn't fit a modern £20k car. Also, I'm guessing your eyeballs work so you have seen how it looks?
Tesla estimates were bang on when they released the Model S and X. Later the 3 was £3k overpriced as Musk said the UK base spec car would be £35k landed.. it was £38k. I have no reason to believe that the new Plaid Model S will not be "to spec" when it gets here. As for quality issues, Zero defects with my 2021 Model 3, absolutely none. Don't know where you get the fact about quality for a £20k car.. but does your imaginary £20k car come with a 17" web-enabled touch screen, Netflix, Spotify and games? Does is also feature Autopilot, automatically upgrades itself while you are asleep? Has CCTV, 3 reversing cameras, inbuilt dash cam, mirrors that automatically pull in when going through width restrictions based on GPS? Has a 15 speaker, two amplifier premium audio system was a proper subwoofer? Adaptive "follow the road" LED headlights? No point on going on whatsoever because unless you actually own one you will never get to experience it. They are not like any other car I've owned or driven and I've owned a fair few including 3 previous EV's. Change is coming!

Edited by LordFlathead on Wednesday 3rd March 20:19

fblm

18,751 posts

227 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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cerb4.5lee said:
We get told that electric cars are great for the environment and that they are the future, yet they are seriously heavy things that could potentially eat through the suspension/tyres/brakes.

As a general rule all the heavy cars I've had have been worse to drive in the corners and under braking than the lighter cars I've had. Although I'm told that these things don't suffer from that because the batteries give them a great CofG.

On here you often read how pointless and overweight a Range Rover is, yet these things pretty much weigh the same and they are lauded as the second coming(in reviews etc). I just don't get it. I'm a dinosaur though to be fair and I'm a big fan of the ICE so that probably doesn't help.
Go test drive a Taycan. I had a go in a friend's. I didn't want a new car and I certainly didn't want an EV... and I ordered one the next day. It's brilliant. Better than the very best ICE drivers cars? No, but how many of those actually make great road cars to do the school run in? It's still a brilliant, dynamic, breathtakingly fast car... with four seats that's also ridiculously comfortable and quiet. Individuals charging situations aside it's an epic car.

Escort Si-130

2,695 posts

144 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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SWoll said:
Won't be long I imagine, the identical under the skin Taycan is getting a SportTurismo version shortly.

yuk, even worse the Porsche fattymera looking thing.

Escort Si-130

2,695 posts

144 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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cjmcb330 said:
Is weight that big a deal for most of us? This thing is NEVER going to see a track day at the hands of anyone outside of the motoring press and it will sit going up and down motorways at high speed in comfort and silence so lets not get stuck on what it's actually designed for....no one ever complains that a Range Rover is terrible as a track car or a Caterham makes a terrible monster truck.
Also I am sure many of those complaining about the cars weight probably are obese, so it is easy to take it out on the car rather than themself.

jason61c

4,166 posts

138 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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LordFlathead said:
jason61c said:
LordFlathead said:
Sure the Audi guys will love this but at £130k it's nothing special performance wise. The Tesla Model 3 LR is just as capable at £51.5k with the add on Performance Boost. Brings acceleration to within 0.1 seconds, and the Model 3 is 400KG lighter and way more efficient. Tesla also has a shorter wheelbase and fires out of bends just the same and it has better regenerative braking. LR has 300 miles range plus.. Then there is the Supercharger network. Even if the Audi was the same price as a Model 3 I would take the Tesla everyday over anything else that relies on the public charging network, it's just not reliable, maybe in 5 years time but not now. Audi shouts "Look at me!" Model 3 doesn't grab any unwanted attention.. maybe I'm getting too old wink

How about comparing it to the Tesla Model S which is more of a like for like offering then?

Tesla Model S Plaid £110k
390mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
1.99s

Tesla Model S Plaid + £130k
520+mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
<1.99s

Keep your Audi..

Did I mention the Supercharger network? smile
Aren't they all estimated figures for the Tesla? also, you've seen the quality you get for your £110k from Tesla? doesn't fit a modern £20k car. Also, I'm guessing your eyeballs work so you have seen how it looks?
Tesla estimates were bang on when they released the Model S and X. Later the 3 was £3k overpriced as Musk said the UK base spec car would be £35k landed.. it was £38k. I have no reason to believe that the new Plaid Model S will not be "to spec" when it gets here. As for quality issues, Zero defects with my 2021 Model 3, absolutely none. Don't know where you get the fact about quality for a £20k car.. but does your imaginary £20k car come with a 17" web-enabled touch screen, Netflix, Spotify and games? Does is also feature Autopilot, automatically upgrades itself while you are asleep? Has CCTV, 3 reversing cameras, inbuilt dash cam, mirrors that automatically pull in when going through width restrictions based on GPS? Has a 15 speaker, two amplifier premium audio system was a proper subwoofer? Adaptive "follow the road" LED headlights? No point on going on whatsoever because unless you actually own one you will never get to experience it. They are not like any other car I've owned or driven and I've owned a fair few including 3 previous EV's. Change is coming!

Edited by LordFlathead on Wednesday 3rd March 20:19
biggrin

I'm pleased for yourself

jbforce10

208 posts

139 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Hothouse said:
Is it just me that thinks it looks a lot like Kia Stinger.
The Stinger look a lot better from the front. The Audi looks great from the front wheels to the back.
I'm surprised that so many people think that the front of this Audi looks good.

kambites

61,056 posts

185 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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jbforce10 said:
I'm surprised that so many people think that the front of this Audi looks good.
I guess it's a question of what you're comparing it to.Compared to, for example, the latest 4-series it's drop-dead gorgeous. biggrin

Walter Sobchak

5,196 posts

188 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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This looks great, exterior, interior all spot on, well done Audi.
Performance is good too, all they need to do to make it perfect is get the range,charging network and battery longevity on par with a Model S and they’ve cracked it.

Edited by Walter Sobchak on Wednesday 3rd March 20:44

SidewaysSi

8,737 posts

198 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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LordFlathead said:
jason61c said:
LordFlathead said:
Sure the Audi guys will love this but at £130k it's nothing special performance wise. The Tesla Model 3 LR is just as capable at £51.5k with the add on Performance Boost. Brings acceleration to within 0.1 seconds, and the Model 3 is 400KG lighter and way more efficient. Tesla also has a shorter wheelbase and fires out of bends just the same and it has better regenerative braking. LR has 300 miles range plus.. Then there is the Supercharger network. Even if the Audi was the same price as a Model 3 I would take the Tesla everyday over anything else that relies on the public charging network, it's just not reliable, maybe in 5 years time but not now. Audi shouts "Look at me!" Model 3 doesn't grab any unwanted attention.. maybe I'm getting too old wink

How about comparing it to the Tesla Model S which is more of a like for like offering then?

Tesla Model S Plaid £110k
390mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
1.99s

Tesla Model S Plaid + £130k
520+mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
<1.99s

Keep your Audi..

Did I mention the Supercharger network? smile
Aren't they all estimated figures for the Tesla? also, you've seen the quality you get for your £110k from Tesla? doesn't fit a modern £20k car. Also, I'm guessing your eyeballs work so you have seen how it looks?
Tesla estimates were bang on when they released the Model S and X. Later the 3 was £3k overpriced as Musk said the UK base spec car would be £35k landed.. it was £38k. I have no reason to believe that the new Plaid Model S will not be "to spec" when it gets here. As for quality issues, Zero defects with my 2021 Model 3, absolutely none. Don't know where you get the fact about quality for a £20k car.. but does your imaginary £20k car come with a 17" web-enabled touch screen, Netflix, Spotify and games? Does is also feature Autopilot, automatically upgrades itself while you are asleep? Has CCTV, 3 reversing cameras, inbuilt dash cam, mirrors that automatically pull in when going through width restrictions based on GPS? Has a 15 speaker, two amplifier premium audio system was a proper subwoofer? Adaptive "follow the road" LED headlights? No point on going on whatsoever because unless you actually own one you will never get to experience it. They are not like any other car I've owned or driven and I've owned a fair few including 3 previous EV's. Change is coming!

Edited by LordFlathead on Wednesday 3rd March 20:19
You sound horny for your Tesla.

All that sounds like a load of ste to me though.