RE: Audi RS e-tron GT | UK Review
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LordFlathead said:
Sure the Audi guys will love this but at £130k it's nothing special performance wise. The Tesla Model 3 LR is just as capable at £51.5k with the add on Performance Boost. Brings acceleration to within 0.1 seconds, and the Model 3 is 400KG lighter and way more efficient. Tesla also has a shorter wheelbase and fires out of bends just the same and it has better regenerative braking. LR has 300 miles range plus.. Then there is the Supercharger network. Even if the Audi was the same price as a Model 3 I would take the Tesla everyday over anything else that relies on the public charging network, it's just not reliable, maybe in 5 years time but not now. Audi shouts "Look at me!" Model 3 doesn't grab any unwanted attention.. maybe I'm getting too old
How about comparing it to the Tesla Model S which is more of a like for like offering then?
Tesla Model S Plaid £110k
390mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
1.99s
Tesla Model S Plaid + £130k
520+mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
<1.99s
Keep your Audi..
Did I mention the Supercharger network?
Aren't they all estimated figures for the Tesla? also, you've seen the quality you get for your £110k from Tesla? doesn't fit a modern £20k car. Also, I'm guessing your eyeballs work so you have seen how it looks?How about comparing it to the Tesla Model S which is more of a like for like offering then?
Tesla Model S Plaid £110k
390mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
1.99s
Tesla Model S Plaid + £130k
520+mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
<1.99s
Keep your Audi..
Did I mention the Supercharger network?
Earl of Petrol said:
Putting EV on one side for a moment.
Why do performance Audi’s have to look so damn aggressive? This belongs in Mad Max. A Few years back the perception was that Audis were bought by nice decent people, professionals. BMWs were the pushy persons choice. How times have changed.
Total BS. Maybe in the 1980's and early 90's Audi's were bought by decent people. But the late 90's and into the 2000's they were bought by a lot of idiots just as well, not surprised on top gear when they said that they were driven by cocks.Why do performance Audi’s have to look so damn aggressive? This belongs in Mad Max. A Few years back the perception was that Audis were bought by nice decent people, professionals. BMWs were the pushy persons choice. How times have changed.
steveb8189 said:
tim-jxv5n said:
Just dont do it, what's the point whilst we've still got combustion. I know 3 people with Taycans, 2 have problems with the brakes and my brother in laws stopped dead last week in the middle of the road and an hgv nearly killed him and my nephew.
Government will do a u turn once people are being killed on the roads
Plenty of stories of Golf's stopping dead on motorways too so I wouldn't just blame the EV side of itGovernment will do a u turn once people are being killed on the roads
Evanivitch said:
Terminator X said:
Evanivitch said:
BlackWidow13 said:
2.4 tonnes. That is a lot of tonnes.
The RS7 is over 2 tonnes too! Lightweight isn't part of the target market. TX.
TX.
runnerbean 14 said:
A lovely car, but still not good enough. Look at the size and weight of the thing! Who wants to be lugging round half a ton extra over the Tesla Model 3, which has similar performance, more range and dimensions suited to to UK roads. Not to mention a better charging infrastructure.
Whilst I could justify a Taycan or one of these, and though I'm far from a Tesla fanboi (much lower build quality) as a device for getting from A to B and also for enjoyment I'd still pick the Model 3. I continue to marvel at the Model 3's packaging, and an incidental benefit is that the Tesla's depreciation will be a fraction of the others - depreciation being the main ownership cost of any electric car.
build quality...another word for (i'm really a badge snob)Whilst I could justify a Taycan or one of these, and though I'm far from a Tesla fanboi (much lower build quality) as a device for getting from A to B and also for enjoyment I'd still pick the Model 3. I continue to marvel at the Model 3's packaging, and an incidental benefit is that the Tesla's depreciation will be a fraction of the others - depreciation being the main ownership cost of any electric car.
Ok Tesla have never quite got a handle on quality yet or making anything truly desirable but if they did the other OEMs might as well give up.
I find it strange that after all this time, no one else gets close to the efficiency of Tesla.
FWIW this looks good but isn't really a very good EV.
I find it strange that after all this time, no one else gets close to the efficiency of Tesla.
FWIW this looks good but isn't really a very good EV.
jason61c said:
Aren't they all estimated figures for the Tesla? also, you've seen the quality you get for your £110k from Tesla? doesn't fit a modern £20k car. Also, I'm guessing your eyeballs work so you have seen how it looks?
Didn't even have to check who posted this as knew it would be you.
Your quality comments are getting silly now. I came from 10 years of high end 5 Series, E-Class and A6's before getting our Tesla and whilst I agree the quality isn't comparable it's only really a concern for those with an OCD for soft touch plastics and panel gaps and is on a par with Alfa and JLR products I've driven over the years. Definitely needs improving but far from a deal breaker.
Styling is also a pointless point of discussion, utterly subjective. I much prefer the Taycan to the E-Tron (which to me looks like just another generic Audi product) but appreciate not everyone will feel the same.
unpc said:
Ok Tesla have never quite got a handle on quality yet or making anything truly desirable but if they did the other OEMs might as well give up.
I find it strange that after all this time, no one else gets close to the efficiency of Tesla.
FWIW this looks good but isn't really a very good EV.
If judged purely on efficiency then no, but then charging speeds and consistency on these VAG products do put Tesla to shame so not as big an issue as suggested even for those doing big mileages?I find it strange that after all this time, no one else gets close to the efficiency of Tesla.
FWIW this looks good but isn't really a very good EV.
Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 3rd March 20:03
SWoll said:
If judged purely on efficiency then no, but then charging speeds and consistency on these VAG products do put Tesla to shame so not as big an issue as suggested even for those doing big mileages?
Even if that's true (which I'm not convinced of) how many chargers are there which can feed these things fast enough for it to help? jason61c said:
LordFlathead said:
Sure the Audi guys will love this but at £130k it's nothing special performance wise. The Tesla Model 3 LR is just as capable at £51.5k with the add on Performance Boost. Brings acceleration to within 0.1 seconds, and the Model 3 is 400KG lighter and way more efficient. Tesla also has a shorter wheelbase and fires out of bends just the same and it has better regenerative braking. LR has 300 miles range plus.. Then there is the Supercharger network. Even if the Audi was the same price as a Model 3 I would take the Tesla everyday over anything else that relies on the public charging network, it's just not reliable, maybe in 5 years time but not now. Audi shouts "Look at me!" Model 3 doesn't grab any unwanted attention.. maybe I'm getting too old
How about comparing it to the Tesla Model S which is more of a like for like offering then?
Tesla Model S Plaid £110k
390mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
1.99s
Tesla Model S Plaid + £130k
520+mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
<1.99s
Keep your Audi..
Did I mention the Supercharger network?
Aren't they all estimated figures for the Tesla? also, you've seen the quality you get for your £110k from Tesla? doesn't fit a modern £20k car. Also, I'm guessing your eyeballs work so you have seen how it looks?How about comparing it to the Tesla Model S which is more of a like for like offering then?
Tesla Model S Plaid £110k
390mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
1.99s
Tesla Model S Plaid + £130k
520+mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
<1.99s
Keep your Audi..
Did I mention the Supercharger network?
Edited by LordFlathead on Wednesday 3rd March 20:19
cerb4.5lee said:
We get told that electric cars are great for the environment and that they are the future, yet they are seriously heavy things that could potentially eat through the suspension/tyres/brakes.
As a general rule all the heavy cars I've had have been worse to drive in the corners and under braking than the lighter cars I've had. Although I'm told that these things don't suffer from that because the batteries give them a great CofG.
On here you often read how pointless and overweight a Range Rover is, yet these things pretty much weigh the same and they are lauded as the second coming(in reviews etc). I just don't get it. I'm a dinosaur though to be fair and I'm a big fan of the ICE so that probably doesn't help.
Go test drive a Taycan. I had a go in a friend's. I didn't want a new car and I certainly didn't want an EV... and I ordered one the next day. It's brilliant. Better than the very best ICE drivers cars? No, but how many of those actually make great road cars to do the school run in? It's still a brilliant, dynamic, breathtakingly fast car... with four seats that's also ridiculously comfortable and quiet. Individuals charging situations aside it's an epic car. As a general rule all the heavy cars I've had have been worse to drive in the corners and under braking than the lighter cars I've had. Although I'm told that these things don't suffer from that because the batteries give them a great CofG.
On here you often read how pointless and overweight a Range Rover is, yet these things pretty much weigh the same and they are lauded as the second coming(in reviews etc). I just don't get it. I'm a dinosaur though to be fair and I'm a big fan of the ICE so that probably doesn't help.
cjmcb330 said:
Is weight that big a deal for most of us? This thing is NEVER going to see a track day at the hands of anyone outside of the motoring press and it will sit going up and down motorways at high speed in comfort and silence so lets not get stuck on what it's actually designed for....no one ever complains that a Range Rover is terrible as a track car or a Caterham makes a terrible monster truck.
Also I am sure many of those complaining about the cars weight probably are obese, so it is easy to take it out on the car rather than themself.LordFlathead said:
jason61c said:
LordFlathead said:
Sure the Audi guys will love this but at £130k it's nothing special performance wise. The Tesla Model 3 LR is just as capable at £51.5k with the add on Performance Boost. Brings acceleration to within 0.1 seconds, and the Model 3 is 400KG lighter and way more efficient. Tesla also has a shorter wheelbase and fires out of bends just the same and it has better regenerative braking. LR has 300 miles range plus.. Then there is the Supercharger network. Even if the Audi was the same price as a Model 3 I would take the Tesla everyday over anything else that relies on the public charging network, it's just not reliable, maybe in 5 years time but not now. Audi shouts "Look at me!" Model 3 doesn't grab any unwanted attention.. maybe I'm getting too old
How about comparing it to the Tesla Model S which is more of a like for like offering then?
Tesla Model S Plaid £110k
390mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
1.99s
Tesla Model S Plaid + £130k
520+mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
<1.99s
Keep your Audi..
Did I mention the Supercharger network?
Aren't they all estimated figures for the Tesla? also, you've seen the quality you get for your £110k from Tesla? doesn't fit a modern £20k car. Also, I'm guessing your eyeballs work so you have seen how it looks?How about comparing it to the Tesla Model S which is more of a like for like offering then?
Tesla Model S Plaid £110k
390mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
1.99s
Tesla Model S Plaid + £130k
520+mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
<1.99s
Keep your Audi..
Did I mention the Supercharger network?
Edited by LordFlathead on Wednesday 3rd March 20:19
I'm pleased for yourself
LordFlathead said:
jason61c said:
LordFlathead said:
Sure the Audi guys will love this but at £130k it's nothing special performance wise. The Tesla Model 3 LR is just as capable at £51.5k with the add on Performance Boost. Brings acceleration to within 0.1 seconds, and the Model 3 is 400KG lighter and way more efficient. Tesla also has a shorter wheelbase and fires out of bends just the same and it has better regenerative braking. LR has 300 miles range plus.. Then there is the Supercharger network. Even if the Audi was the same price as a Model 3 I would take the Tesla everyday over anything else that relies on the public charging network, it's just not reliable, maybe in 5 years time but not now. Audi shouts "Look at me!" Model 3 doesn't grab any unwanted attention.. maybe I'm getting too old
How about comparing it to the Tesla Model S which is more of a like for like offering then?
Tesla Model S Plaid £110k
390mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
1.99s
Tesla Model S Plaid + £130k
520+mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
<1.99s
Keep your Audi..
Did I mention the Supercharger network?
Aren't they all estimated figures for the Tesla? also, you've seen the quality you get for your £110k from Tesla? doesn't fit a modern £20k car. Also, I'm guessing your eyeballs work so you have seen how it looks?How about comparing it to the Tesla Model S which is more of a like for like offering then?
Tesla Model S Plaid £110k
390mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
1.99s
Tesla Model S Plaid + £130k
520+mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
<1.99s
Keep your Audi..
Did I mention the Supercharger network?
Edited by LordFlathead on Wednesday 3rd March 20:19
All that sounds like a load of ste to me though.
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