RE: Audi RS e-tron GT | UK Review

RE: Audi RS e-tron GT | UK Review

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Amateurish

6,686 posts

187 months

Thursday 4th March
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nicfaz said:
smile This is Pistonheads, I thought all posts were supposed to be unsupported generalizations!

The Leaf / Tesla dichotomy is the one that confuses me the most on Pistonheads. I've not driven the Leaf, but I gather it's not in the least bit sporting to drive, fairly slow and looks (IMO) boring. If that was the future of all cars now that we're going electric, I'd be pretty gutted.
The standard model 3 is about twice the price of the Leaf on lease / finance, which is really the only important financial metric these days.

Terminator X

10,884 posts

169 months

Thursday 4th March
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Killboy said:
Terminator X said:
Added to the bingo card!

TBF we / you also have ICE bingo (no future, dinosaur juice, not cool, Miraculous Battery Improvements incoming, no one does more than 50 miles a day so piss poor range doesn't matter, I charge at home it costs buttons, charging at home is so convenient I never have to visit those dirty smelly petrol stations ever again, I wonder if people felt the same about horses ...)

TX.
So clever. I nearly understand why you feel the need to sign your posts.
About as clever as the EV bingo card clap

TX.

Bahnstormer

906 posts

211 months

Thursday 4th March
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Very cool - stunning looks - but....110K !!!! frown

cedrichn

272 posts

16 months

Thursday 4th March
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swisstoni said:
I'm sure people did feel the same about horses at the introduction of horseless carriages.
And no doubt the early advocates of cars had the same insufferable proselytizing attitude that EV early adopters have.

But eventually normal people came around to choosing what suited them best. And that's where we'll end up again.
Are you saying that moving from ICE to EV is a comparable step than moving from horses to cars ?

TyrannosauRoss Lex

26,945 posts

177 months

Thursday 4th March
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cedrichn said:
swisstoni said:
I'm sure people did feel the same about horses at the introduction of horseless carriages.
And no doubt the early advocates of cars had the same insufferable proselytizing attitude that EV early adopters have.

But eventually normal people came around to choosing what suited them best. And that's where we'll end up again.
Are you saying that moving from ICE to EV is a comparable step than moving from horses to cars ?
Yes, and considering his argument I'd say that is fair enough to be honest.

cedrichn

272 posts

16 months

Thursday 4th March
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Yes, and considering his argument I'd say that is fair enough to be honest.
EVs have a steering wheel, 4 wheels, few seats, metallic frame, boot, bonnet.... You put my mum in a car, she will not notice the difference between EV and ICE. You put her on a horse - if you can - she will not go really far.

EVs were invented decades/centuries ago. They are coming back, that's all. It is like saying "moving from coil powered trains to electric train" is as big as "moving from no train to coil powered trains"....

Do you follow a bit the history of industrial revolutions, what it means in term of industry and life-changes for people ? EVs are build the same way as ICE cars, using limited ressources like ICE, and decreasing the range people can travel....and this is a revolution ?

You don't work in the industry I hope ?

TyrannosauRoss Lex

26,945 posts

177 months

Thursday 4th March
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cedrichn said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Yes, and considering his argument I'd say that is fair enough to be honest.
EVs have a steering wheel, 4 wheels, few seats, metallic frame, boot, bonnet.... You put my mum in a car, she will not notice the difference between EV and ICE. You put her on a horse - if you can - she will not go really far.

EVs were invented decades/centuries ago. They are coming back, that's all. It is like saying "moving from coil powered trains to electric train" is as big as "moving from no train to coil powered trains"....

Do you follow a bit the history of industrial revolutions, what it means in term of industry and life-changes for people ? EVs are build the same way as ICE cars, using limited ressources like ICE, and decreasing the range people can travel....and this is a revolution ?

You don't work in the industry I hope ?
I think you're missing his point, and taking his words too literally.

CDP

6,800 posts

219 months

Thursday 4th March
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Amateurish said:
The standard model 3 is about twice the price of the Leaf on lease / finance, which is really the only important financial metric these days.
Can I afford it? - A rather important metric if you ask me.

fblm

18,771 posts

228 months

Thursday 4th March
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u9ge

52 posts

24 months

Thursday 4th March
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cedrichn said:
swisstoni said:
I'm sure people did feel the same about horses at the introduction of horseless carriages.
And no doubt the early advocates of cars had the same insufferable proselytizing attitude that EV early adopters have.

But eventually normal people came around to choosing what suited them best. And that's where we'll end up again.
Are you saying that moving from ICE to EV is a comparable step than moving from horses to cars ?
Certainly does when it comes to fueling/charging infrastructure and S-curve adoption... It's no surprise that others now steal those slides from the Tony Seba presentation that pretty much nailed this topic in 2017.

Terminator X

10,884 posts

169 months

Thursday 4th March
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You are right @fblm no noticeable difference rofl

TX.

Killboy

2,756 posts

167 months

Thursday 4th March
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cedrichn said:
EVs were invented decades/centuries ago. They are coming back, that's all. It is like saying "moving from coil powered trains to electric train" is as big as "moving from no train to coil powered trains"....
Were people this against electric trains too?

fblm

18,771 posts

228 months

Thursday 4th March
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Killboy said:
Were people this against electric trains too?
I strongly suspect people who enjoy driving trains for fun probably prefer steam trains yes.

Killboy

2,756 posts

167 months

Thursday 4th March
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cedrichn said:
EVs have a steering wheel, 4 wheels, few seats, metallic frame, boot, bonnet.... You put my mum in a car, she will not notice the difference between EV and ICE. You put her on a horse - if you can - she will not go really far.

EVs were invented decades/centuries ago. They are coming back, that's all. It is like saying "moving from coil powered trains to electric train" is as big as "moving from no train to coil powered trains"....

Do you follow a bit the history of industrial revolutions, what it means in term of industry and life-changes for people ? EVs are build the same way as ICE cars, using limited ressources like ICE, and decreasing the range people can travel....and this is a revolution ?

You don't work in the industry I hope ?
Do you think perhaps self driving cars will be as big a leap as the horse to the car?

cedrichn

272 posts

16 months

Thursday 4th March
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Some people are also against vaccination. Some people are against Manchester United. Some people are against everything and anything.

The comparison "horses to cars" with "ICE to EV" doesn't make any sense. What will be when we will move to hydrogen, if this move happen ?

EV is just another way of moving a car. Same difference as between petrol and diesel. It is nothing revolutionary at all

Court_S

4,678 posts

142 months

Thursday 4th March
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It looks a lot sleeker than the Taycan. Not sure why they left the honeycomb texture where the grille would have been. I think that looks a bit pants and the launch colour is grim.

The interior looks pretty good and it has actual buttons. Yay.

Edited by Court_S on Thursday 4th March 15:59

cedrichn

272 posts

16 months

Thursday 4th March
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Killboy said:
Do you think perhaps self driving cars will be as big a leap as the horse to the car?
Was cruise control a big leap ? Air Conditioning ?
"Real" self driving, where the driver can sleep and/or be drunk, will be a big step. Not a revolution though.

A big leap will be when we stop to have a car as such, which pollute and take place, while keeping - at least - the same freedom of movement as the car provides

Killboy

2,756 posts

167 months

Thursday 4th March
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cedrichn said:
Was cruise control a big leap ? Air Conditioning ?
"Real" self driving, where the driver can sleep and/or be drunk, will be a big step. Not a revolution though.

A big leap will be when we stop to have a car as such, which pollute and take place, while keeping - at least - the same freedom of movement as the car provides
Interesting. Lets see what it does to those employed in the transport industry eventually.

cedrichn

272 posts

16 months

Thursday 4th March
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Killboy said:
Interesting. Lets see what it does to those employed in the transport industry eventually.
What happened to those employed in the coil industry ? What happened to those employed by BL ? I am saying this and my employer is an OEM supplier. It is not by being afraid and living in the past that you keep a country's economy afloat. Anyway, that's is really off topic now

LuS1fer

37,586 posts

210 months

Thursday 4th March
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CDP said:
Amateurish said:
The standard model 3 is about twice the price of the Leaf on lease / finance, which is really the only important financial metric these days.
Can I afford it? - A rather important metric if you ask me.
If the Audi cost the same as a Leaf, hardly anyone would complain - but the future for most people is a Leaf/Corsa/208/Bini.

God, that Tesla interior is f***ing grim, isn't it? Looks like some duffer cobbled it up on a lathe or bought it in Argos rofl