RE: Audi RS e-tron GT | UK Review
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cedrichn said:
swisstoni said:
I'm sure people did feel the same about horses at the introduction of horseless carriages.
And no doubt the early advocates of cars had the same insufferable proselytizing attitude that EV early adopters have.
But eventually normal people came around to choosing what suited them best. And that's where we'll end up again.
Are you saying that moving from ICE to EV is a comparable step than moving from horses to cars ?And no doubt the early advocates of cars had the same insufferable proselytizing attitude that EV early adopters have.
But eventually normal people came around to choosing what suited them best. And that's where we'll end up again.
But it was a change of motive power requiring a big change in supporting infrastructure and attitudes.
So it may not be a laughable as you seem to find it.
swisstoni said:
I was responding to another poster who raised the horse image.
But it was a change of motive power requiring a big change in supporting infrastructure and attitudes.
So it may not be a laughable as you seem to find it.
I think we can't agree on the definition of "big": it is still a car, and do what a car do. Not more. I would even say, from a user perspective, it does less: you need to plug it and you need to wait more at the "filling station" to do less miles... So yes, maybe we can agree: users have to change their attitude, by expecting less from the same product.But it was a change of motive power requiring a big change in supporting infrastructure and attitudes.
So it may not be a laughable as you seem to find it.
CDP said:
Amateurish said:
The standard model 3 is about twice the price of the Leaf on lease / finance, which is really the only important financial metric these days.
Can I afford it? - A rather important metric if you ask me.LuS1fer said:
CDP said:
Amateurish said:
The standard model 3 is about twice the price of the Leaf on lease / finance, which is really the only important financial metric these days.
Can I afford it? - A rather important metric if you ask me.God, that Tesla interior is f***ing grim, isn't it? Looks like some duffer cobbled it up on a lathe or bought it in Argos
I like the uncluttered nature of the Tesla but it could do with a few basic instruments and controls for stuff like the heater combined with an integrated touchscreen. The trim looks cheap though.
Conversely while the return to buttons on the Audi is welcome that particular model is a bit black but I know they will have some warmer colours so hardly a criticism.
Holgate86 said:
I would like to go EV for my next "main" car. But however good this car looks and performs the range isn't good enough for me to visit my son (290 miles return) once a month with a 280 mile range and the current charging network.
No matter how good the cars are, the infrastructure, maybe apart from Tesla, is pants. I recently watched a review of another Audi EV in which he did a couple of 250 mile trips, the first trip went OK but the second was a disaster when his planned charging stop was occupied which would have meant another hour to his scheduled 50 minute stop. He ended up scratching around for another charger.....
One charger at a Shell garage....8 fuel pumps, says it all really.
I do wonder a tipping point and the perspective when it’s 8ev points and one fuel pump: will range anxiety issues transfer to the dwindling ICE stock?No matter how good the cars are, the infrastructure, maybe apart from Tesla, is pants. I recently watched a review of another Audi EV in which he did a couple of 250 mile trips, the first trip went OK but the second was a disaster when his planned charging stop was occupied which would have meant another hour to his scheduled 50 minute stop. He ended up scratching around for another charger.....
One charger at a Shell garage....8 fuel pumps, says it all really.
J4CKO said:
Game changer will be Solid State batteries when they can make them work for EV's, potential for dropping a fair amount of weight for the same range or increasing the range, or a combination thereof.
When is the big question though, EV's work for some folk now, that will be the catalyst for making them viable for a lot more. I think it will happen, I wouldn't bet against it but how long and will they be financially viable for cars that aren't 100 grand or more ?
I think that would bring the weight in line with ICE cars, possibly even undercut as less weight in the battery, can reduce weight elsewhere and less power is used carting the battery round so it doesnt need to be as big. A Model 3 battery is half a ton, take 200 kilos out of that and the car is down around 1500/1600 kilos, same or lighter than a comparable ICE car.
Totally agree regards solid state batteries, the last I read was that Toyota said they will not be commercially viable until 2035 as at present they are effing expensive. Boris will be gone by then, but its bad news for Greta.
When is the big question though, EV's work for some folk now, that will be the catalyst for making them viable for a lot more. I think it will happen, I wouldn't bet against it but how long and will they be financially viable for cars that aren't 100 grand or more ?
I think that would bring the weight in line with ICE cars, possibly even undercut as less weight in the battery, can reduce weight elsewhere and less power is used carting the battery round so it doesnt need to be as big. A Model 3 battery is half a ton, take 200 kilos out of that and the car is down around 1500/1600 kilos, same or lighter than a comparable ICE car.
Totally agree regards solid state batteries, the last I read was that Toyota said they will not be commercially viable until 2035 as at present they are effing expensive. Boris will be gone by then, but its bad news for Greta.
CDP said:
LuS1fer said:
CDP said:
Amateurish said:
The standard model 3 is about twice the price of the Leaf on lease / finance, which is really the only important financial metric these days.
Can I afford it? - A rather important metric if you ask me.God, that Tesla interior is f***ing grim, isn't it? Looks like some duffer cobbled it up on a lathe or bought it in Argos
I like the uncluttered nature of the Tesla but it could do with a few basic instruments and controls for stuff like the heater combined with an integrated touchscreen. The trim looks cheap though.
Conversely while the return to buttons on the Audi is welcome that particular model is a bit black but I know they will have some warmer colours so hardly a criticism.
Totally agree the RS E-Tron is superior on both counts but then it is double the price and has a long design history to call upon so would hope so?
SWoll said:
They aren't the best pictures of the 3 to be fair.
Totally agree the RS E-Tron is superior on both counts but then it is double the price and has a long design history to call upon so would hope so?
That interior just doesn't look remotely special to me. Still, I guess that's where it's priced at so fair enough I guess. Totally agree the RS E-Tron is superior on both counts but then it is double the price and has a long design history to call upon so would hope so?
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
That interior just doesn't look remotely special to me. Still, I guess that's where it's priced at so fair enough I guess.
100% agree it's not special, just different, and the screen only setup is definitely a cost saving device. The materials and functionality are far better than many give credit for though and I've found it a far nicer place to spend time than a number of previously owned German products. Probably the lack of clutter and huge glasshouse having a positive effect. 
SWoll said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
That interior just doesn't look remotely special to me. Still, I guess that's where it's priced at so fair enough I guess.
100% agree it's not special, just different, and the screen only setup is definitely a cost saving device. The materials and functionality are far better than many give credit for though and I've found it a far nicer place to spend time than a number of previously owned German products. Probably the lack of clutter and huge glasshouse having a positive effect. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff