RE: Rover 200 BRM | Spotted

[thewarlock]

Augustus Windsock said:

I’ll give you a clue:


“ Oh god Rover haters incoming...
"Take a zero off the price and it would still be a pile of junk" etc etc...”

Ok I’ll be the fall guy:
Take a zero off the price and it would STILL be a pile of junk”...
As another poster on here said, I’d prefer the 216GTi with the Honda engine. I came within touching distance of one ‘back in the day’ when my work colleague decided to sell his and just as I walked round to his house to put him he changed his mind. And who could blame him, his 216GTi was light, nimble and quick, whereas this thing....

Thanks, but I didn't need a clue. He asked what it was for.

[Bencolem]

Recognized the selling dealer from the first picture, thought 'another PH article to incite comments about over-priced cars' and mentally added the current Covid/2030 ICE ban tax on used car values to get to £5,995...

[pb8g09]

s m said:

I think the Tomcat was the Coupe body

Did a bit of googling off the back of this thread.

Why is this so tempting? Someone disable my internet!

http://bay2car.com/Rover-220-gsi-turbo283092795674...

[thewarlock]

pb8g09 said:

Did a bit of googling off the back of this thread.

Why is this so tempting? Someone disable my internet!

http://bay2car.com/Rover-220-gsi-turbo283092795674...

I do love some of those late 80s/early 90s shapes.

In profile, they look a bit like a 309, which is also cool AF IMO.

[Aiminghigh123]

I had a 200vi same engine had the benefit of rear doors. Apart from the head gasket going a month in it was a brilliant little car. On cam it felt pretty quick at the time fifth gear was like a cruising gear so down back roads could use as a 4 speed keeping it in the power band.

Edited by Aiminghigh123 on Wednesday 3rd March 14:38

[s m]

pb8g09 said:

Did a bit of googling off the back of this thread.

Why is this so tempting? Someone disable my internet!

http://bay2car.com/Rover-220-gsi-turbo283092795674...

That’ll be much better handling with the type B diff

[Turbobanana]

mayzie12 said:

Sold at a private sale for an undisclosed amount.

Then sold for £8k

Now up for £11k.

Someone’s having a laugh..

It's the way of the world at the moment. I was watching a Japanese coupe last month on eBay and reckoned it was worth half the £3000 it was up for, based on condition and knowledge of how much mine cost to get through an MoT 15 years ago.

Same car is now up for nearly double that, still without an MoT. The guy that bought it / is now selling it reckons the previous seller sold it for too little. +/- £2500 profit (assuming he actually sells it), just don't tell the tax man. " 'Old aht yer 'and! ", as I believe they say.

[s m]

Aiminghigh123 said:

I had a 200vi same engine had the benefit of rear doors. Apart from the head gasket going a month in it was a brilliant little car. On cam it felt pretty quick at the time

I think they’re still pretty fast on today’s roads

The 60 sprint in 7.1 is better than GT86 performance

[Dombilano]

Always liked the orange nose and red leather in my youth, but 10k is just silly money for this now, 3k tops

[AMGSee55]

Turbobanana said:

mayzie12 said:

Sold at a private sale for an undisclosed amount.

Then sold for £8k

Now up for £11k.

Someone’s having a laugh..

It's the way of the world at the moment. I was watching a Japanese coupe last month on eBay and reckoned it was worth half the £3000 it was up for, based on condition and knowledge of how much mine cost to get through an MoT 15 years ago.

Same car is now up for nearly double that, still without an MoT. The guy that bought it / is now selling it reckons the previous seller sold it for too little. +/- £2500 profit (assuming he actually sells it), just don't tell the tax man. " 'Old aht yer 'and! ", as I believe they say.

Going off topic, but your taxman reference is well made. Before I settled on my current classic, I went through a phase of wanting a 70s Yank - think ‘cream puff’ Cadillac or Lincoln etc. I viewed a number of cars being sold privately which the owners various claimed to be selling because a) they never kept anything that long b) it was too big for their garage c) their OH gave them an ultimatum and so on. All said vehicles had by an amazing coincidence arrived from the States 2-4 months earlier and after a few months of looking, I got quite good at spotting similar backgrounds in photos with different vehicles......

[rampageturke]

birdcage said:

It's £2,500 more than it was in December too.

On that basis it will be worth £19k by Christmas!

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1999-rover-200...

these joke dealers need to be put in their place. theres no natural supply/demand upping the price for most of these cars, just dealers shuffling cars around each other trying it on to the public and see if some idiot buys it, but they never sell.

see bmw z8

[J4CKO]

Dombilano said:

Always liked the orange nose and red leather in my youth, but 10k is just silly money for this now, 3k tops

Think you are a bit wide of the mark there like 11 grand is, 34k and looks immaculate, its pretty clear its worth more than three grand as that gets you nothing remotely interesting in good condition these days. I know they arent everyone's cup of tea but the market is big enough for the small number still left.

I think the true value for these are 2 to 3 for a ropey one/project to about maybe 8 for this at the moment as the absolute top of the market.

Like this one, which is the same one by the looks of it.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1999-rover-200...

[E63eeeeee...]

I had the 1.6 5dr in silver, bought pretty much exactly 20 years ago. I thought it was a good looking car, with a nice interior for its class and time, and reasonably fun to drive too. Not so keen on the green, but I could live with it if it wasn't for the random orange plastic bit. I don't think any 216SLis have survived, last time I checked. Not all rare cars are iconic.

[s m]

rampageturke said:

these joke dealers need to be put in their place. theres no natural supply/demand upping the price for most of these cars, just dealers shuffling cars around each other trying it on to the public and see if some idiot buys it, but they never sell.

see bmw z8

They’ll go out of business I guess if they never sell anything

[Dombilano]

J4CKO said:

Dombilano said:

Always liked the orange nose and red leather in my youth, but 10k is just silly money for this now, 3k tops

Think you are a bit wide of the mark there like 11 grand is, 34k and looks immaculate, its pretty clear its worth more than three grand as that gets you nothing remotely interesting in good condition these days. I know they arent everyone's cup of tea but the market is big enough for the small number still left.

I think the true value for these are 2 to 3 for a ropey one/project to about maybe 8 for this at the moment as the absolute top of the market.

Like this one, which is the same one by the looks of it.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1999-rover-200...

A pristine, low mileage turd is still a turd. 3k max

[Uncle John]

My first job was working for a car rental company & they had a fleet of Rovers.

The 216 SLi was my favourite car. Great fun & great engine with the k series. Loved to redline & for its time I thought it was a decent car. Even the 1.4’s were fun.

This seems expensive but if you are a Rover nut then it’s collectible & maybe worth it.

Most unhinged of the range was the Metro based 114 Gsi in auto. Thing was mental, just plant your foot & slither & slide up the road as the thing looked for grip.

[Nomadic Mind]

Lovely car the 200 BRM - they would have been a bold choice back in '98 and expensive. Build quality on these was good IIRC, pre 'Project Drive' etc.

Good friend of mine had one and it did seem quick. The leather was soooooo good! He sprayed the orange front silver (!) which to be fair did look better, but detracted from the concept a bit! The real nail was that the person he sold it onto got shot of it through the original scrappage scheme - not an approprate end to something so rare, no matter how you view Rover as a brand.

It's a £5k car (tops) in my view, not a £11k one. Rovers are not generally seen as a decent car to own now, so values remain low & there is no reason why this one is so much?

Some of you may know I am a fan of much of what rolled out of Longbridge- owning & daily driving a mint low miler 420GSi (thread on Readers Cars if of interest) of a similar age ('99). For context my 400 was bought for shed money with only 19k on the clock and was about as immaculate as you can get..... so I cant see the value on this one at £11k. BUT - it only takes one person to really want one and have the cash burning a hole in their pocket.

Nice to see some Rover love..... from most anyway!

[smilo996]

Always liked the Rover 200 series, especially the two door 216 and 220's as well as the MGF.
This is a bit odd but like it. Definitely not to be driven with a hangover. Red grill perhaps.

[suffolk009]

s m said:

rampageturke said:

these joke dealers need to be put in their place. theres no natural supply/demand upping the price for most of these cars, just dealers shuffling cars around each other trying it on to the public and see if some idiot buys it, but they never sell.

see bmw z8

They’ll go out of business I guess if they never sell anything

There's an old joke: A small ship with a dozen antiques dealers onboard is shipwrecked. For weeks they all starve, unable to feed themselves or make basic shelters. Things are looking desperate. Then one day a dealer finds an old antique chest washed up on the beach. Their businesses prosper and they all live happily ever after.

Seems relevant.

[Augustus Windsock]

thewarlock said:

Thanks, but I didn't need a clue. He asked what it was for.

What it was for was why I attached the pic of the BRM race car, Rovers Sales and Marketing man Tom Purves (I think?) decided it would be canny to link the car to the defunct BRM race team with which Rover has an historic link (the Rover BRM gas turbine race car)
If you had asked what it did then I wouldn’t have tried to enlighten...
As an aside, was this the car that sold for £7300 on ‘The Market’ or ‘Collecting Cars’ just over 6 months ago for £7300...?

Edited by Augustus Windsock on Wednesday 3rd March 17:55