RE: Rover 200 BRM | Spotted

RE: Rover 200 BRM | Spotted

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MrGTI6

1,998 posts

94 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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I bought a 29k-mile example just before Christmas that's been off the road since 2015. It runs well but needs a light recommissioning before being put back into use. Can't wait to get it on the road, and I'm keen to find out how it compares to my 170k-mile 306 GTI-6!

And if anyone wants to buy it off me for eleven grand, just ask your carer to arrange payment and collection! hehe

manureboots

9 posts

123 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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I remember "back in the day" Keith Barwell bought the entire Northampton saints rugby team one each! they were'nt around long as the sponser car tax laws changed and they disapeared.

wolfie28

282 posts

108 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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I know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder but that’s a 100% no from me. Disliked it back in the day and dislike it even more today. Each to their own.

Like others have said some dealers really try it on. There is an red Evo 8 FQ400 in the classifieds that’s been for sale for ages at £49,999. Checked it earlier and it’s now £59,995!! I know I’m a simple fella but I just don’t get it. Surely drop the price if not selling not raise it.

RichardDastardly

111 posts

27 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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I wonder what part-ex I’d have got for this car from this dealer. Maybe £900?
I did quite like these but much prefer the ZR and especially ZS which, though now becoming rare, don’t seem to be appreciating.

J4CKO

33,419 posts

164 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Dombilano said:
J4CKO said:
Dombilano said:
Always liked the orange nose and red leather in my youth, but 10k is just silly money for this now, 3k tops
Think you are a bit wide of the mark there like 11 grand is, 34k and looks immaculate, its pretty clear its worth more than three grand as that gets you nothing remotely interesting in good condition these days. I know they arent everyone's cup of tea but the market is big enough for the small number still left.

I think the true value for these are 2 to 3 for a ropey one/project to about maybe 8 for this at the moment as the absolute top of the market.

Like this one, which is the same one by the looks of it.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1999-rover-200...
A pristine, low mileage turd is still a turd. 3k max
I have owned one, and a "Turd" is not what I would use to describe it, I drove it for a couple of years and enjoyed it.

What is your experience of that make and model beyond "Dont like Rovers" ?

I have an M135i and the BRM was more fun to drive than that is.

Also, it sold for 8 grand so not sure where your esteemed valuation is coming from.

Don't get into selling cars as you will be giving stuff away that you don't like.


domtheone

154 posts

60 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Jam_s160 said:
its definitely not aged well... Id rather an old school 3 door 1992 Rover 220 Gti (or 216 twin cam with honda engine)
I had a 216 GTI with said Honda engine back in the day.

Utterly fantastic it was.

romac

225 posts

110 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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There was a Rover 200 BRM at the old Donnington Grand Prix Collection museum a few years ago. Looked the part even amongst the other exotica. Some of the BRM 16 cyl open wheel racing cars were there, too, which gave it context. Some lovely stuff there, but I think it was all sold off to pay the bills. frown
--oOo--

Dombilano

171 posts

19 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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J4CKO said:
Dombilano said:
J4CKO said:
Dombilano said:
Always liked the orange nose and red leather in my youth, but 10k is just silly money for this now, 3k tops
Think you are a bit wide of the mark there like 11 grand is, 34k and looks immaculate, its pretty clear its worth more than three grand as that gets you nothing remotely interesting in good condition these days. I know they arent everyone's cup of tea but the market is big enough for the small number still left.

I think the true value for these are 2 to 3 for a ropey one/project to about maybe 8 for this at the moment as the absolute top of the market.

Like this one, which is the same one by the looks of it.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1999-rover-200...
A pristine, low mileage turd is still a turd. 3k max
I have owned one, and a "Turd" is not what I would use to describe it, I drove it for a couple of years and enjoyed it.

What is your experience of that make and model beyond "Dont like Rovers" ?

I have an M135i and the BRM was more fun to drive than that is.

Also, it sold for 8 grand so not sure where your esteemed valuation is coming from.

Don't get into selling cars as you will be giving stuff away that you don't like.
Under the flashy trinkets its still a rover 200/25. I've nothing against rover, I love a good 800 or even a 600 si, but 10k+ is just not realistic, even the 8k it sold for months ago is pushing ridiculous.

As I said earlier, in my youth I was intrigued by them, and have always kept an eye on them thinking it would be a good project.

I've gone back to a late M140i via an F40 m135i and B7 RS4, I cannot imagine for a second the BRM is more fun than any of them

legless

1,247 posts

104 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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s m said:
They used to do a one- make challenge for the Tomcats, usually along with a Vento VR6 race on the same day
When I worked at JLR, one of my colleagues was a Rover Group old hand. He'd worked in powertrain development since the late 1970s.

He was talking to me one day about the Tomcat race series, and was describing how his team had been commissioned to build some race-spec T-series engines with forged bottom ends, lightweight valve trains and blueprinted internals specifically for the race series.

After leaving the engine plant at Cofton Hackett, these engines went into storage at Longbridge while the race cars were built. Except there was an inventory management cock-up, and these special engines ended up being installed into customer cars on the main production line by accident, and nobody realised until weeks later.

My colleague's team ended up having to build a load more engines, and the customers who'd ended up with the race series engines by accident were never any the wiser.

J4CKO

33,419 posts

164 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Dombilano said:
J4CKO said:
Dombilano said:
J4CKO said:
Dombilano said:
Always liked the orange nose and red leather in my youth, but 10k is just silly money for this now, 3k tops
Think you are a bit wide of the mark there like 11 grand is, 34k and looks immaculate, its pretty clear its worth more than three grand as that gets you nothing remotely interesting in good condition these days. I know they arent everyone's cup of tea but the market is big enough for the small number still left.

I think the true value for these are 2 to 3 for a ropey one/project to about maybe 8 for this at the moment as the absolute top of the market.

Like this one, which is the same one by the looks of it.

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1999-rover-200...
A pristine, low mileage turd is still a turd. 3k max
I have owned one, and a "Turd" is not what I would use to describe it, I drove it for a couple of years and enjoyed it.

What is your experience of that make and model beyond "Dont like Rovers" ?

I have an M135i and the BRM was more fun to drive than that is.

Also, it sold for 8 grand so not sure where your esteemed valuation is coming from.

Don't get into selling cars as you will be giving stuff away that you don't like.
Under the flashy trinkets its still a rover 200/25. I've nothing against rover, I love a good 800 or even a 600 si, but 10k+ is just not realistic, even the 8k it sold for months ago is pushing ridiculous.

As I said earlier, in my youth I was intrigued by them, and have always kept an eye on them thinking it would be a good project.

I've gone back to a late M140i via an F40 m135i and B7 RS4, I cannot imagine for a second the BRM is more fun than any of them
The 200 was a decent little late nineties car, they dragged it a bit too long, 10k isnt realistic, but 7/8 is, 6 is more so

As package the BRM worked better, the M135i/M140i is fast but its a crap drivers car, partly down to being an auto but also the crap steering and suspension. BMW is adecent car, with a nice engine but a mixed bag, the BRM was as well but fun wise it was better, fast enough, steering feel and pointy.

Mk2 Golf GTI is more fun than the BMW, I just think its fast but a bit inert, better memories of driving the BRM, despite the Head Gasket going biggrin

Fiesta ST is better than either of them.


Maxym

1,226 posts

200 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Jam_s160 said:
its definitely not aged well... Id rather an old school 3 door 1992 Rover 220 Gti (or 216 twin cam with honda engine)
No you wouldn't. I had a 220 GSi as a company car and it was an absolute wker in every way. hehe

Ex X Power

89 posts

102 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Dombilano said:
Under the flashy trinkets its still a rover 200/25. I've nothing against rover, I love a good 800 or even a 600 si, but 10k+ is just not realistic, even the 8k it sold for months ago is pushing ridiculous.

As I said earlier, in my youth I was intrigued by them, and have always kept an eye on them thinking it would be a good project.

I've gone back to a late M140i via an F40 m135i and B7 RS4, I cannot imagine for a second the BRM is more fun than any of them
I dont think 8k is that bad..., look at Ford prices!!... My user name gives me away that I am a tad biased but BRM's arent a bad car at all... Theyre pretty bespoke underneath it all... I was an apprentice engineer on the BRM project at Rover so I've done a fair few miles in them... Ill be honest I think the later ZR160 was a better car

As for your list of cars... the are all £20k cars now so a lot more than a BRM so I'd hope they'd be better... I've done some miles in an RS4 too and I love them.... but the difference is a BRM is great fun on a B road at semi normal roadspeeds... An RS4 you have to be into 3 figures to get the same thrill imo which realistically just isnt feasible these days... As for the BMW's great cars, but typically German which takes the fun away.... because they're almost too good... The BRM is an old school hatch that you need to work with and hang on to to get the best out of it.... Perhaps not what you need everyday, but for a good B road blast there are only a select few cars that can do it, The R3 chassis has always been massively underated... if it had got a Ford or French badge on the front of it things would be different

Augustus Windsock

2,458 posts

119 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Not the same thing, I know, but didn’t Quentin Wilson purchase a 200 vvi from Holland and then imported it to the UK, saving £thousands? I can’t remember wether it was on Top Gear or a similar show.

MC Bodge

15,428 posts

139 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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domtheone said:
I had a 216 GTI with said Honda engine back in the day.

Utterly fantastic it was.
A friend had a 216 Twin cam GTI. It was a great car. I had the pleasure of driving it on the road and on the Kielder Forest Scenic Drive/rally stage. It seemed quite fast at the time and just revved and revved.


That BRM orange grille looked ridiculous when they were new and looks terrible now.

Court_S

4,400 posts

141 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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I’d forgotten all about these.

The orange grille surround didn’t look great back then and I’m not sure it’s aged particularly well. I can’t help feel that £11k is pushing the envelope a bit.

s m

20,629 posts

167 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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MrGTI6 said:
I bought a 29k-mile example just before Christmas that's been off the road since 2015. It runs well but needs a light recommissioning before being put back into use. Can't wait to get it on the road, and I'm keen to find out how it compares to my 170k-mile 306 GTI-6!
Be an interesting comparison
The 306 has more power but is a bit heavier.
Was a bit ahead of the softer normal version with no lsd and smaller tyres at Anglesey but you’d expect that


Pumpsmynads

220 posts

120 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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It’s supermini sized.
Shed at best.
11 grand. Bonkers.

9k rpm

298 posts

174 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Was an over priced slow piece of crap in 1998 and still no different. 145bhp for goodness sake..... a MK5 escort RS2000 had 150bhp in 1992. To think some wonder why Rover went under!

Stick Legs

1,649 posts

129 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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I like them.

Always fancied a BRM but the intersection of my car buying and one being for sale never happened.

Still daft money, but isn't everything 'classic' now?

ddom

3,492 posts

12 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Just no. They were nothing special back then and haven't improved. 11K rofl