What happened to genuinely posh cars and their targets?

What happened to genuinely posh cars and their targets?

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spreadsheet monkey

3,920 posts

191 months

Wednesday 7th April
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Harry Flashman said:
I love threads like this. Snobbery and generalisation out in spades. "old money drives a Subaru held together by baling twine and anything else is vulgar".

I mean, seriously, get a grip. All people are differnt. For every aristo who doesn't care about cars, there's one with a barn full of them, some of which will be of dubiously tasteful specification. Just like the rest of us.
yes

This "upper class people drive battered old Subarus/Volvos" thing gets wheeled out on PH all the time.

It's become as much of a PH trope as remapping a 335d or hammering frozen sausages into someone's lawn.

MadCaptainJack

61 posts

4 months

Wednesday 7th April
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Meanwhile...



Not mine, I hasten to add.

I wonder how long it'll take for the new Bitcoin billionaires to become considered "old money"...

320d is all you need

1,733 posts

7 months

Wednesday 7th April
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CheesecakeRunner said:
RMDB9 said:
320d is all you need said:
While there are some people who view cars as "wealth extensions" (I've certainly met a few in my time including an apprentice who worked at a friends company, he had a 2012 Mercedes C Class when he was 18 and thought he was the fking dogs nuts, always would wear a suit jacket to work (office job) when everyone else wore the company Jumper/Coat - knob.
I have seen that type of person. While its easy to make fun of them, these are usually "social climbers" without the negative connotation, the first in the family to have a white-collar job, a "Benz" (often plain and in fine condition, seat covers, steel wheel etc) and "suit and tie" jobs are very important status signifiers for them. An 18 year old like the one you described does not want to appear "wealthy", but "respectable".
Indeed. Calling someone a “knob” for wearing a suit to an office job, and having a nice but average car, says more about the person making the statement, than the subject of the statement.
Not really, you didn't know him or the company. I did. I did a lot of little bits for his company (supplying brackets and what not).

This 18y/o was very arrogant. As I said, it is not a suit and tie job. Even the sales director didn't wear a suit jacket. He thought having a Mercedes (an average 18 year olds car?) made him special.

In the end he was fired because he decided to repeatedly be an arrogant ahole on Emails to senior staff.

Nice guy smile

Flumpo

2,333 posts

37 months

Wednesday 7th April
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320d is all you need said:
CheesecakeRunner said:
RMDB9 said:
320d is all you need said:
While there are some people who view cars as "wealth extensions" (I've certainly met a few in my time including an apprentice who worked at a friends company, he had a 2012 Mercedes C Class when he was 18 and thought he was the fking dogs nuts, always would wear a suit jacket to work (office job) when everyone else wore the company Jumper/Coat - knob.
I have seen that type of person. While its easy to make fun of them, these are usually "social climbers" without the negative connotation, the first in the family to have a white-collar job, a "Benz" (often plain and in fine condition, seat covers, steel wheel etc) and "suit and tie" jobs are very important status signifiers for them. An 18 year old like the one you described does not want to appear "wealthy", but "respectable".
Indeed. Calling someone a “knob” for wearing a suit to an office job, and having a nice but average car, says more about the person making the statement, than the subject of the statement.
Not really, you didn't know him or the company. I did. I did a lot of little bits for his company (supplying brackets and what not).

This 18y/o was very arrogant. As I said, it is not a suit and tie job. Even the sales director didn't wear a suit jacket. He thought having a Mercedes (an average 18 year olds car?) made him special.

In the end he was fired because he decided to repeatedly be an arrogant ahole on Emails to senior staff.

Nice guy smile
What’s he up to now?

He sounds from your far from glowing reference a difficult person. But it does read a bit like one of these pushy self made millionaires blurb from his self promoting autobiography.

‘In my first job I realised I was special and destinied to be an entrepreneur. I was there to make money and do deals, everyone else went to the office and dressed like tramps, when I got a new basic merc aged 18 the unmotivated stagnating others couldn’t hide their jealousy. I knew it was time to go it alone when the senior management wouldn’t listen to my advice from the shop/sales floor on how to improve. I sent them my ideas and when they kept ignoring me I lost it and pointed out they were spunking money up the wall. I was fired and never looked back, now I’m a multimillionaire sleaze ball with 7m insta followers and a super yacht.’

Or is he still selling brackets out of his old merc?

Harry Flashman

15,090 posts

206 months

Wednesday 7th April
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The Spruce Goose said:
Have we had carries money around in tesco carry bags and drives very old cars, anything in the shed thread, for the old money types?

Someone needs to do an old money bingo card.

Edited by The Spruce Goose on Wednesday 7th April 06:38
"came into the dealership dressed like a tramp, I was the only one who spoke to him, came back in and bought three matching cars with every option for his sons for cash that afternoon“, and other such classics will surely be delivered soon, by the same fools who get a kick of trotting out this tired old garbage to anyone who will listen

Flumpo

2,333 posts

37 months

Wednesday 7th April
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Harry Flashman said:
The Spruce Goose said:
Have we had carries money around in tesco carry bags and drives very old cars, anything in the shed thread, for the old money types?

Someone needs to do an old money bingo card.

Edited by The Spruce Goose on Wednesday 7th April 06:38
"came into the dealership dressed like a tramp, I was the only one who spoke to him, came back in and wanted to buy three matching cars with every option for his sons for cash that afternoon, I had to tell him unless he wanted pcp he could fook off back to the bus stop. Meanwhile my colleague sold 3 cars to the 22 year olds and got his finace bonus.’ other such classics will surely be delivered soon, by the same fools who get a kick of trotting out this tired old garbage to anyone who will listen
I’ve fixed the above for you.

MikeT66

2,336 posts

88 months

Wednesday 7th April
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Harry Flashman said:
The Spruce Goose said:
Have we had carries money around in tesco carry bags and drives very old cars, anything in the shed thread, for the old money types?

Someone needs to do an old money bingo card.

Edited by The Spruce Goose on Wednesday 7th April 06:38
"came into the dealership dressed like a tramp, I was the only one who spoke to him, came back in and bought three matching cars with every option for his sons for cash that afternoon“, and other such classics will surely be delivered soon, by the same fools who get a kick of trotting out this tired old garbage to anyone who will listen
With all these stories, sometimes there's a kernel of truth, I think... then get embellished upon. When I ran pubs for a well-known Yorkshire brewery back in the late 1990s the owner, a very rich man with land and pubs across London as well as Yorkshire, drove a battered F-registration Montego and dressed in clothes that looked like he'd not changed them for a few years. His son was a different type, let's just say.

Flumpo

2,333 posts

37 months

Wednesday 7th April
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MikeT66 said:
Harry Flashman said:
The Spruce Goose said:
Have we had carries money around in tesco carry bags and drives very old cars, anything in the shed thread, for the old money types?

Someone needs to do an old money bingo card.

Edited by The Spruce Goose on Wednesday 7th April 06:38
"came into the dealership dressed like a tramp, I was the only one who spoke to him, came back in and bought three matching cars with every option for his sons for cash that afternoon“, and other such classics will surely be delivered soon, by the same fools who get a kick of trotting out this tired old garbage to anyone who will listen
With all these stories, sometimes there's a kernel of truth, I think... then get embellished upon. When I ran pubs for a well-known Yorkshire brewery back in the late 1990s the owner, a very rich man with land and pubs across London as well as Yorkshire, drove a battered F-registration Montego and dressed in clothes that looked like he'd not changed them for a few years. His son was a different type, let's just say.
I can confirm Humphrey does now use the bus.

320d is all you need

1,733 posts

7 months

Wednesday 7th April
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Flumpo said:
What’s he up to now?

He sounds from your far from glowing reference a difficult person. But it does read a bit like one of these pushy self made millionaires blurb from his self promoting autobiography.

‘In my first job I realised I was special and destinied to be an entrepreneur. I was there to make money and do deals, everyone else went to the office and dressed like tramps, when I got a new basic merc aged 18 the unmotivated stagnating others couldn’t hide their jealousy. I knew it was time to go it alone when the senior management wouldn’t listen to my advice from the shop/sales floor on how to improve. I sent them my ideas and when they kept ignoring me I lost it and pointed out they were spunking money up the wall. I was fired and never looked back, now I’m a multimillionaire sleaze ball with 7m insta followers and a super yacht.’

Or is he still selling brackets out of his old merc?
Hah. Something like that

I have no idea what he's up to now, he was an entry level junior fresh from college. I suspect he moved sideways to a similar entry level position at another company. I'd hope he "learnt his lesson" so to speak and has furthered his career in this time smile

Justin Case

2,143 posts

98 months

Wednesday 7th April
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When you are genuinely posh you don't need Tesco (or even Waitrose) bags to carry your small change in, you hand over managing your finances to an outfit like this:
https://www.coutts.com/
They no doubt have experts who will tell you what posh people should be driving smile

Flumpo

2,333 posts

37 months

Wednesday 7th April
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Justin Case said:
When you are genuinely posh you don't need Tesco (or even Waitrose) bags to carry your small change in, you hand over managing your finances to an outfit like this:
https://www.coutts.com/
They no doubt have experts who will tell you what posh people should be driving smile
Unfortunately I believe those in real posh circles consider coutts to have sold out in the last few decades. They now target z list celebs for mortgages and credit cards based on ‘unusual’ income patterns.

You’re more likely to be in the personal banking telephone queue with rylan or Mark wright than the queen these days.

KTMsm

21,452 posts

227 months

Wednesday 7th April
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Ambleton said:
Nowadays pretty much all mid-range and above cars are comfy, quiet etc, so why bother spending more.
^^^ This is what has killed my interest in cars

In the 80's / 90's cars were getting better and better but for the last 20 years anything middle range is more than good enough and the fastest car is simply the one with the driver who cares less about his licence

psi310398

7,025 posts

167 months

Wednesday 7th April
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MikeT66 said:
Harry Flashman said:
The Spruce Goose said:
Have we had carries money around in tesco carry bags and drives very old cars, anything in the shed thread, for the old money types?

Someone needs to do an old money bingo card.

Edited by The Spruce Goose on Wednesday 7th April 06:38
"came into the dealership dressed like a tramp, I was the only one who spoke to him, came back in and bought three matching cars with every option for his sons for cash that afternoon“, and other such classics will surely be delivered soon, by the same fools who get a kick of trotting out this tired old garbage to anyone who will listen
With all these stories, sometimes there's a kernel of truth, I think... then get embellished upon. When I ran pubs for a well-known Yorkshire brewery back in the late 1990s the owner, a very rich man with land and pubs across London as well as Yorkshire, drove a battered F-registration Montego and dressed in clothes that looked like he'd not changed them for a few years. His son was a different type, let's just say.
Garry Weston of Associated British Foods was another case in point. He drove nothing but a battered old Merc estate and was famously frugal despite being one of the richest people in the UK and one of the biggest charitable donors.

The Spruce Goose

27,612 posts

159 months

Wednesday 7th April
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And Benny Hill.

Get 100 millionaires in a room, I'm sure a few will wear Tesco jeans, carry money in plastic bags, run an old car, tell anyone that will listen, money talks wealth whiskers, but the rest will just be normal people who benefit from their wealth in material objects as any normal person would.

LeroyLoser

130 posts

2 months

Wednesday 7th April
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The Spruce Goose said:
And Benny Hill.

Get 100 millionaires in a room, I'm sure a few will wear Tesco jeans, carry money in plastic bags, run an old car, tell anyone that will listen, money talks wealth whiskers, but the rest will just be normal people who benefit from their wealth in material objects as any normal person would.
Until they open their mouths, most new money millionaires are vial after 10 minutes ‘polite’ conversation, they become so curious to know how much you have after 10 minutes so they can tell stories about themselves or people they know who are considerably richer.

Not all, we come across some very humble wealthy people who are just nice, & determined to not let money change whats important in a person.

The english are one of the worst we’ve come across for this tbh.

RMDB9

Original Poster:

1,711 posts

12 months

Wednesday 7th April
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LeroyLoser said:
Until they open their mouths, most new money millionaires are vial after 10 minutes ‘polite’ conversation, they become so curious to know how much you have after 10 minutes so they can tell stories about themselves or people they know who are considerably richer.

Not all, we come across some very humble wealthy people who are just nice, & determined to not let money change whats important in a person.

The english are one of the worst we’ve come across for this tbh.
Are they ? I thought you lot are all about mustard grumble, never complain and explain, all that?

RMDB9

Original Poster:

1,711 posts

12 months

Wednesday 7th April
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Flumpo said:
320d is all you need said:
CheesecakeRunner said:
RMDB9 said:
320d is all you need said:
While there are some people who view cars as "wealth extensions" (I've certainly met a few in my time including an apprentice who worked at a friends company, he had a 2012 Mercedes C Class when he was 18 and thought he was the fking dogs nuts, always would wear a suit jacket to work (office job) when everyone else wore the company Jumper/Coat - knob.
I have seen that type of person. While its easy to make fun of them, these are usually "social climbers" without the negative connotation, the first in the family to have a white-collar job, a "Benz" (often plain and in fine condition, seat covers, steel wheel etc) and "suit and tie" jobs are very important status signifiers for them. An 18 year old like the one you described does not want to appear "wealthy", but "respectable".
Indeed. Calling someone a “knob” for wearing a suit to an office job, and having a nice but average car, says more about the person making the statement, than the subject of the statement.
Not really, you didn't know him or the company. I did. I did a lot of little bits for his company (supplying brackets and what not).

This 18y/o was very arrogant. As I said, it is not a suit and tie job. Even the sales director didn't wear a suit jacket. He thought having a Mercedes (an average 18 year olds car?) made him special.

In the end he was fired because he decided to repeatedly be an arrogant ahole on Emails to senior staff.

Nice guy smile
What’s he up to now?

He sounds from your far from glowing reference a difficult person. But it does read a bit like one of these pushy self made millionaires blurb from his self promoting autobiography.

‘In my first job I realised I was special and destinied to be an entrepreneur. I was there to make money and do deals, everyone else went to the office and dressed like tramps, when I got a new basic merc aged 18 the unmotivated stagnating others couldn’t hide their jealousy. I knew it was time to go it alone when the senior management wouldn’t listen to my advice from the shop/sales floor on how to improve. I sent them my ideas and when they kept ignoring me I lost it and pointed out they were spunking money up the wall. I was fired and never looked back, now I’m a multimillionaire sleaze ball with 7m insta followers and a super yacht.’

Or is he still selling brackets out of his old merc?
C-class at 18 sounds very socially uncalibrated. New money types would give their children a convertible of some sorts, old money type an unassuming Golf.

Flumpo

2,333 posts

37 months

Wednesday 7th April
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C-class at 18 sounds very socially uncalibrated. New money types would give their children a convertible of some sorts, old money type an unassuming Golf.
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Is this unassuming golf a shed, held together with either bailer, bailing, baler or baling twine, new or nearly new?

RMDB9

Original Poster:

1,711 posts

12 months

Wednesday 7th April
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New or nearly new, in a boring spec.

Jaguar steve

7,177 posts

174 months

Wednesday 7th April
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LeroyLoser said:
The Spruce Goose said:
And Benny Hill.

Get 100 millionaires in a room, I'm sure a few will wear Tesco jeans, carry money in plastic bags, run an old car, tell anyone that will listen, money talks wealth whiskers, but the rest will just be normal people who benefit from their wealth in material objects as any normal person would.
Until they open their mouths, most new money millionaires are vial after 10 minutes ‘polite’ conversation, they become so curious to know how much you have after 10 minutes so they can tell stories about themselves or people they know who are considerably richer.

Not all, we come across some very humble wealthy people who are just nice, & determined to not let money change whats important in a person.

The english are one of the worst we’ve come across for this tbh.


Without a doubt.

Compared to the French and Spanish at least on the whole the English are a nation of materialistic, celebrity and money obsessed vulgarians fixated on Tabloid and royal family tittle tattle who just can't wait to tell everybody all about their new car or watch or promotion or how much their ghastly new build house on some aspirational upmarket development is worth. Naturally they'll be gagging to find out where you live, what car you drive and where you were educated, what you parents did for a living and if you're in employment what position you hold and whom you work for.

In conversation they'll be able to discourse chapter and verse on some semi-literate sports personality's latest tattoo or tell you more than everything you'll ever need to know regarding who some vacuous tart with surgically enhanced tits and ten grands worth of teeth is shagging this week or what's on offer in the latest Primark sale but of course won't have the slightest clue or be able to build a conversation about world affairs or the contributions UK science and engineering has made toward resolving the more serious issues facing humanity.

Pathetic. Rarely finding myself feeling proud of being British nowadays.