What happened to genuinely posh cars and their targets?

[Funkstar De Luxe]

Baldchap said:

You honestly think that's why people buy them? It isn't.

It is tho.

[Deep Thought]

Funkstar De Luxe said:

Baldchap said:

You honestly think that's why people buy them? It isn't.

It is tho.

The bulk are bought as company cars. 1% BIK tax this year, 0% previously. Very well worth running a £100K Tesla compared to a £100K Rangie.

[Flumpo]

Funkstar De Luxe said:

Baldchap said:

You honestly think that's why people buy them? It isn't.

It is tho.

I know a few people who have just got tesla cars and virtue signalling isn’t their motivation and doesn’t even come into it.

For them Tesla is sub zero cool and the must have brand and product. The fact the small model is very affordable on company car schemes means it’s spreading quickly.

It seems for some it’s the latest Apple phenomenon of must have thing.

Obviously this is only based on the small sample of people I have spoken to and won’t represent everyone. One person did tell me they are saving a fortune through tax and petrol, but again that wasn’t linked to virtue signalling.

[evil.edna]

Deep Thought said:

Funkstar De Luxe said:

Baldchap said:

You honestly think that's why people buy them? It isn't.

It is tho.

The bulk are bought as company cars. 1% BIK tax this year, 0% previously. Very well worth running a £100K Tesla compared to a £100K Rangie.

This 100%. I chose the M3P because it was the cheapest way, for me, to access that level of performance.

I often find myself wondering how they could make a car, so fast, such a boring non-event to drive. A little bit more thought led me to conclude that the designers and engineers actually nailed their brief, completely. They did exactly what was asked.

As a means if conveying me and family around in comfort and safety, it does an ok job. The fact that it can do this under the limitations of a BEV is impressive to an engineer like me.

Virtue signalling? People can go and fun themselves...my next car will be 5L Mustang... possibly convertible.

[biggbn]

https://mag.lexus.co.uk/lexus-chosen-as-official-s...

Proper car...

[whp1983]

Baldchap said:

whp1983 said:

Tesla (really virtue signalling) and Audi E-tron (virtue signalling with nice interior).

You honestly think that's why people buy them? It isn't.

Well let’s say you want to be part of a green revolution (i personally disagree they are that green but may accept its the road of travel) I can’t see any other reason (tax maybe too) having borrowed a Tesla for a day I absolutely can not see why you would have one over any of the other equally expensive options which are so much nicer places to be sat in, better built just generally nicer. So you either, in my view, believe electric is way forward and that by taking this first step forward it will lead to future generations of electric cars that aren’t made using appalling amounts of resource or youre saving so much tax you’d rather have a lower quality product. I’m cool in either case, but objectively judging on the car experience alone I can not see why you would have an EV over an equivalent costing combustion car.

I’d rather have a £70k to £100k Range Rover, 7 series, S class over a model S any day of the week. How can you not prefer the interior?!

[psi310398]

The poshest man I know - baronetcy dating from the late Stuarts, large Grade 1 listed hice in a posh county of which both his father and grandfather had been Lords Lieutenant, etc - drives around in a twenty-five year old Subaru held together with baling twine (as quite often are his corduroys). His wife has a BMW MINI runabout. His grandfather’s post war Bentley is in the coachhouse but hasn’t seen daylight for thirty years, less still run any distance.

I’d hate to think what he’d say if it were suggested that he get a modern Bentley or a Maybach. After all, he’d even rib me pretty mercilessly about my elderly and completely unexceptional FFRR.

[Sporky]

whp1983 said:

I’d rather have a £70k to £100k Range Rover, 7 series, S class over a model S any day of the week. How can you not prefer the interior?!

More to a car than the interior. I don't dispute that the stuff you mentioned is pusher inside, but other people have different priorities. And they can be just as valid.

[biggbn]

psi310398 said:

The poshest man I know - baronetcy dating from the late Stuarts, large Grade 1 listed hice in a posh county of which both his father and grandfather had been Lords Lieutenant, etc - drives around in a twenty-five year old Subaru held together with baling twine (as quite often are his corduroys). His wife has a BMW MINI runabout. His grandfather’s post war Bentley is in the coachhouse but hasn’t seen daylight for thirty years, less still run any distance.

I’d hate to think what he’d say if it were suggested that he get a modern Bentley or a Maybach. After all, he’d even rib me pretty mercilessly about my elderly and completely unexceptional FFRR.

Similar experiences, my gran and papa looked after a country house owned by a Lord and Lady who drove a many years old Volvo 245 estate, replacing it with the same car in the same colour when it finally succumbed to the great scrap yard in the sky. Car was on a private plate so many simply never noticed the change...

[whp1983]

Sporky said:

whp1983 said:

I’d rather have a £70k to £100k Range Rover, 7 series, S class over a model S any day of the week. How can you not prefer the interior?!

More to a car than the interior. I don't dispute that the stuff you mentioned is pusher inside, but other people have different priorities. And they can be just as valid.

Agreed... an EV may slot perfectly into someone’s life and compromises in one area better than others. And plush ones that don’t cost the earth are just around corner too I’m sure

[RMDB9]

Money shouts, wealth whiskas.

[Flumpo]

RMDB9 said:

Money shouts, wealth whiskas.

[Deep Thought]

whp1983 said:

Baldchap said:

whp1983 said:

Tesla (really virtue signalling) and Audi E-tron (virtue signalling with nice interior).

You honestly think that's why people buy them? It isn't.

Well let’s say you want to be part of a green revolution (i personally disagree they are that green but may accept its the road of travel) I can’t see any other reason (tax maybe too) having borrowed a Tesla for a day I absolutely can not see why you would have one over any of the other equally expensive options which are so much nicer places to be sat in, better built just generally nicer. So you either, in my view, believe electric is way forward and that by taking this first step forward it will lead to future generations of electric cars that aren’t made using appalling amounts of resource or youre saving so much tax you’d rather have a lower quality product. I’m cool in either case, but objectively judging on the car experience alone I can not see why you would have an EV over an equivalent costing combustion car.

I’d rather have a £70k to £100k Range Rover, 7 series, S class over a model S any day of the week. How can you not prefer the interior?!

Its almost solely about tax, specifically BIK tax on company cars. You could pay an extra £20,000 to £25,000 extra in tax per year to run a £100K Rangie compared to a £100K Tesla.

Edited by Deep Thought on Sunday 4th April 14:30

[Deep Thought]

RMDB9 said:

Money shouts, wealth whiskas.

Ah that old chestnut.



I was just about to put i'm surprised we havent seen the "well of course i know / work for / have a relative who works for some Lord or other who drives around in a 30 year old Mercedes estate car" type story that gets rolled out to justify that but i see we have....

Edited by Deep Thought on Sunday 4th April 13:52

[sosidge]

Flumpo said:

I know a few people who have just got tesla cars and virtue signalling isn’t their motivation and doesn’t even come into it.

For them Tesla is sub zero cool and the must have brand and product. The fact the small model is very affordable on company car schemes means it’s spreading quickly.

It seems for some it’s the latest Apple phenomenon of must have thing.

Obviously this is only based on the small sample of people I have spoken to and won’t represent everyone. One person did tell me they are saving a fortune through tax and petrol, but again that wasn’t linked to virtue signalling.

You've basically described virtue signalling. It's the must have brand and product. i.e. people want to be seen in them. And why are Tesla's a must-have brand? Because they are "saving the world".

[sasha320]

psi310398 said:

The poshest man I know - baronetcy dating from the late Stuarts, large Grade 1 listed hice in a posh county of which both his father and grandfather had been Lords Lieutenant, etc - drives around in a twenty-five year old Subaru held together with baling twine (as quite often are his corduroys). His wife has a BMW MINI runabout. His grandfather’s post war Bentley is in the coachhouse but hasn’t seen daylight for thirty years, less still run any distance.

I’d hate to think what he’d say if it were suggested that he get a modern Bentley or a Maybach. After all, he’d even rib me pretty mercilessly about my elderly and completely unexceptional FFRR.

This impression of pragmatic frugal behaviour is exactly what 3rd+ Inter-generational wealth want you to think.

The truth is that these people at the end of inter-generational wealth are largely cashless.

They are presenting the frugal approach as a higher order of intelligence and a way of life but in truth they are covering up for the fact that they don’t have the wit or motivation to create wealth at all. The vast majority are doing very well to not break up the trusts and sell all the assets.

[sosidge]

The classy cars are the ones that don't come in chav spec from the manufacturer. If the model is available as an S-line, M-sport or AMG-line, it's not appropriate.

[anonymous-user]

Flumpo said:

Literally made me laugh!
Smitten kitten at the finest.

[Killboy]

sosidge said:

Because they are "saving the world".

Really?

[Stick Legs]

I had an S-Class (S350CDi Grand Edition) the other week and it was marvellous. It was also discreet.

If I had need to be discreet and comfortable it would be top of my list.

If I had oodles of money and didn't give a fig who knew it then I'd probably find myself in a Bentyga or a Range Rover. The extra head room and practicality makes the equivalent saloon largely superfluous. Probably why they have died out.