What old performance car compares...

What old performance car compares...

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MC Bodge

15,610 posts

140 months

Friday 30th April
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s m said:
So you could say your Merc, as per that Clarkson remark, offers all the performance you could ever really need on the road - like that 528 of 25 years ago
Indeed.

I'm not sure that anyone needs, or really makes use of, more of it on modern roads.

People are free to buy more potent cars, obviously.

PH User

17,636 posts

73 months

Friday 30th April
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The performance is totally fine for a family car.

Nyloc20

289 posts

28 months

Friday 30th April
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I haven’t checked any figures but I would expect my Elan S4, bought in 1975, would be pretty similar to our current Focus ST3(diesel) for 0-60 time.

s m

20,717 posts

168 months

Friday 30th April
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Nyloc20 said:
I haven’t checked any figures but I would expect my Elan S4, bought in 1975, would be pretty similar to our current Focus ST3(diesel) for 0-60 time.
Those old S4s were about Saxo VTS/106 Gti performance so I’d expect your ST3 would be quite a bit quicker flat out

Probably not a lot in it up to legal speeds though

161BMW

1,589 posts

130 months

Friday 30th April
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Boobonman said:
Remember buying an E30 325i sport as a teenager and getting whooped in the traffic light GP by a diesel Focus.
You weren’t trying hard enough.
No one whooped me in my E30 325i Sport.

161BMW

1,589 posts

130 months

Friday 30th April
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BGarside said:
I'd sooner drive most of these older cars than some bloated, over complicated modern bland-mobile any day.

With overcrowded roads and cameras everywhere I'd rather drive something with lower limits that is fun to drive at realistic speeds than something unusably quick.
Here here.

This is what a lot of these folk who buy cars on finance don’t understand.

RJWR

187 posts

3 months

Friday 30th April
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s m said:
Indeed

Your diesel is a fast to 60 as a Sapphire Cosworth and does twice the mpg most likely

Think the M5 V8 is still a bit faster though

They’re usually in the 4s to 60
I'm sub 4 seconds to 60 in a diesel. I made another thread about it, max power would have wet their pants in the 90s

Welshbeef

43,986 posts

163 months

Saturday 1st May
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RJWR said:
I'm sub 4 seconds to 60 in a diesel. I made another thread about it, max power would have wet their pants in the 90s
I’m calling custard on this one.

Nyloc20

289 posts

28 months

Saturday 1st May
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s m said:
Nyloc20 said:
I haven’t checked any figures but I would expect my Elan S4, bought in 1975, would be pretty similar to our current Focus ST3(diesel) for 0-60 time.
Those old S4s were about Saxo VTS/106 Gti performance so I’d expect your ST3 would be quite a bit quicker flat out

Probably not a lot in it up to legal speeds though
Yes I reckon that’s right, my Elan was a Special Equipment model so not far off Sprint figures. I think the Sprint was 0-60 in 7 seconds and 120 top speed. Our ST top speed easily beats that ( not that I’ve done so on UK roads)

s m

20,717 posts

168 months

Saturday 1st May
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Nyloc20 said:
Yes I reckon that’s right, my Elan was a Special Equipment model so not far off Sprint figures. I think the Sprint was 0-60 in 7 seconds and 120 top speed. Our ST top speed easily beats that ( not that I’ve done so on UK roads)
Ah ok, I know the Sprint was a bit quicker, high 6s for the benchmark sprint, about on a par with that 528i above.
It was a couple of seconds quicker than the S4 as well by the time they got to 3 figures

BroadsRS6

317 posts

4 months

Saturday 1st May
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One old car that still seems fast is a 25 year old Skyline R34. The quoted 276 bhp was more like 310 as standard and a few easy changes make that into 500+ bhp. Iconic 2.6 inline 6 cylinder and strong as an ox.
Yep that is the best example of old being as fast as new.

ruggedscotty

3,327 posts

174 months

Saturday 1st May
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Welshbeef said:
RJWR said:
I'm sub 4 seconds to 60 in a diesel. I made another thread about it, max power would have wet their pants in the 90s
I’m calling custard on this one.
close though... very close.... 10 at 5s or less right here

Porsche Panamera 4S – 4.3 seconds
Audi S4 saloon - 4.6 seconds
BMW M340d - 4.6 seconds
BMW 435d xDrive - 4.7 seconds
Bentley Bentayga - 4.8 seconds
Audi SQ8 - 4.8 seconds
BMW 840d xDrive - 4.9 seconds
BMW X3 M40d - 4.9 seconds
Mercedes CLS 400d - 5.0 seconds
Audi S6 saloon - 5.0 seconds

GTIMAN2

33 posts

56 months

Saturday 1st May
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ReformedPistonhead said:
When I was 23 in 1995 I was paying £2,200 to insure my £5,000 Cavalier SRi (G-Reg) that I had proudly bought with 2 year’s savings...

Because it was “fast and sporty”.

My daughter’s 1.0 Polo goes faster (and is only £500 to insure too) and honestly it would be more fun to drive I reckon!

Unbelievable.
No way a 1 litre Polo would be as quick as that SRI..unless you were pushing it.

s m

20,717 posts

168 months

Saturday 1st May
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GTIMAN2 said:
ReformedPistonhead said:
When I was 23 in 1995 I was paying £2,200 to insure my £5,000 Cavalier SRi (G-Reg) that I had proudly bought with 2 year’s savings...

Because it was “fast and sporty”.

My daughter’s 1.0 Polo goes faster (and is only £500 to insure too) and honestly it would be more fun to drive I reckon!

Unbelievable.
No way a 1 litre Polo would be as quick as that SRI..unless you were pushing it.
They do a 113bhp one but it’s likely to be heavier than a Mk3 SRi and 15bhp down

Could be the Cavalier was on its last legs but the engines are usually strong

RJWR

187 posts

3 months

Saturday 1st May
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Welshbeef said:
I’m calling custard on this one.
Call away. 👍

PH User

17,636 posts

73 months

Saturday 1st May
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RJWR said:
Welshbeef said:
I’m calling custard on this one.
Call away. ??
So what car is it?

RJWR

187 posts

3 months

Saturday 1st May
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ruggedscotty said:
close though... very close.... 10 at 5s or less right here

Porsche Panamera 4S – 4.3 seconds
Audi S4 saloon - 4.6 seconds
BMW M340d - 4.6 seconds
BMW 435d xDrive - 4.7 seconds
Bentley Bentayga - 4.8 seconds
Audi SQ8 - 4.8 seconds
BMW 840d xDrive - 4.9 seconds
BMW X3 M40d - 4.9 seconds
Mercedes CLS 400d - 5.0 seconds
Audi S6 saloon - 5.0 seconds
335d xdrive 4.7 as stock with 313hp.
With 380 hp, it's quite a bit different.
Oh and I've made this one go round corners too.

RJWR

187 posts

3 months

Saturday 1st May
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Here's one video from YouTube. Not my car.
https://youtu.be/tOnIw9Msgoo

Here's me with a friend at lynton.
https://i.imgur.com/NuSgZOH.jpg

Here's me with the same friend middle of Devon
https://i.imgur.com/egKEFCw.jpg

Please note that's a Tesla. They have a reputation for being fairly punchy.
Tesla in front or me in front, no difference other than who got throttle down first.

Oh and I get 50mpg commuting.

havoc

25,734 posts

200 months

Saturday 1st May
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RJWR said:
Oh and I get 50mpg commuting.
Dear god, DXB is back! yikeshehe

cerb4.5lee

18,718 posts

145 months

Saturday 1st May
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havoc said:
RJWR said:
Oh and I get 50mpg commuting.
Dear god, DXB is back! yikeshehe
hehe