18% of California EV drivers move back to ICE

[SWoll]

Pixelpeep Z4 said:

Where is that parrot when you need it eh?

Took me a minute as well.

[David87]

82% OF CALIFORNIA EV DRIVERS DON’T MOVE BACK TO ICE.

I’ve moved back (temporarily). Had a third baby and Model 3 too small. No Model X on sale at the moment (and uninterested in EV offerings from anyone else), so leased a completely unnecessary diesel pickup for three years and will then go back to Tesla at that point.

To be honest the Model 3 is mega right now, but I suspect in three years’ time the battery technology will have notably improved, as will the charging network.

[NMNeil]

SWoll said:

Depends on how much driving you were to do of course, but agree that mass adoption in the US looks like a significantly larger challenge than in the UK, especially once you get out of the coastal cities.

The last town between Albuquerque and Roswell is Vaughn, and it doesn't have an EV charging station. The closest station is in Albuquerque and the total distance between Albuquerque and Roswell is about 200 miles. Between Vaughn and Roswell there there is bugger all, and in the summer with the A/C running flat out, an EV won't make it.
And by bugger all I mean bugger all. There's your challenge in the US
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXqA_Zuwcm0

[Evanivitch]

NMNeil said:

The last town between Albuquerque and Roswell is Vaughn, and it doesn't have an EV charging station. The closest station is in Albuquerque and the total distance between Albuquerque and Roswell is about 200 miles. Between Vaughn and Roswell there there is bugger all, and in the summer with the A/C running flat out, an EV won't make it.
And by bugger all I mean bugger all. There's your challenge in the US
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXqA_Zuwcm0

Doesn't really compare to the Nullarbor. The Australians have managed it, even if it required a few diesel gen sets (which many of the roadhouses use anyway).

[Condi]

NMNeil said:

And by bugger all I mean bugger all. There's your challenge in the US
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXqA_Zuwcm0

That's not typical of where most Americas live though. The vast vast majority live in highly populated cities and suburbs, and in states with plenty of opportunity to recharge.

[braddo]

NMNeil said:

The last town between Albuquerque and Roswell is Vaughn, and it doesn't have an EV charging station. The closest station is in Albuquerque and the total distance between Albuquerque and Roswell is about 200 miles. Between Vaughn and Roswell there there is bugger all, and in the summer with the A/C running flat out, an EV won't make it.
And by bugger all I mean bugger all. There's your challenge in the US
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXqA_Zuwcm0

Yes, but just because an EV can't be used for absolutely everything doesn't mean there can't be considerable mass adoption over the next 10 years, say - in both rural and urban America millions of households (especially the ones who buy new vehicles) have 2 or more vehicles, so there is a place for an EV for commuting and everyday stuff along with another vehicle that is capable of the driving holidays and other long trips.

And in those households it is very easy to arrange charging an EV overnight, when driveways are much more common than here.

I expect the cultural hurdle is bigger than the technical hurdle when it comes to EV adoption!

[Condi]

braddo said:

have 2 or more vehicles, so there is a place for an EV for commuting and everyday stuff along with another vehicle that is capable of the driving holidays and other long trips.

From what I understand this is very much the case in Norway, where EV adoption and tax breaks are highest. Families have an EV for going into town and a petrol/diesel car for occasional longer trips.

[theboss]

Condi said:

NMNeil said:

And by bugger all I mean bugger all. There's your challenge in the US
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXqA_Zuwcm0

That's not typical of where most Americas live though. The vast vast majority live in highly populated cities and suburbs, and in states with plenty of opportunity to recharge.

I also don't know any American in the West who only has one car.

I might buy another petrol V8 in the near future. Doesn't mean I'd abandon the EV which handles all the local bks so well.

ETA same point made well by the posters above

[Baldchap]

whp1983 said:

I’d be interested in a similar survey in UK or indeed to hear experience of anyone who was EV here and gone back and why.

We had a Model X for 12 months or so. The biggest reason we got rid was build quality and Tesla's useless customer support in the UK. It was also a bit too big for UK roads, though the Model 3 wouldn't suffer with that problem.

The thing not wrong with it was the fact it was electric. Range was good, getting in every morning with a full 'tank' is great, obviously the acceleration was bonkers (ours was a P100DL). We did used a supercharger a couple of times, all fast and without issues, though it did firmly occupy the 'second car' slot in the household.

My current project is grabbing the few decent remaining ICE cars without limiters, whilst I still can.

I'd have another electric car if only someone made one I actually wanted...

[NMNeil]

Condi said:

That's not typical of where most Americas live though. The vast vast majority live in highly populated cities and suburbs, and in states with plenty of opportunity to recharge.

The video I linked to was nothing out of the ordinary. Ask anyone who's driven from LA to Vegas.

[DMZ]

Is there supposed to be a particular drivetrain evolution eg ICE to EV and that’s that? I’ve had all sorts of cars. EV, petrol, diesel, manual, automatic, turbo, naturally aspirated, etc. The only thing I’ve never owned is a hybrid. I’m nearly feeling more inclined to focus on ICE as it’s coming to an end. I don’t think there’s much FOMO when it comes to EVs.