RE: AC Cobra 4-electric lineup expanded

RE: AC Cobra 4-electric lineup expanded

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gnc

423 posts

81 months

Friday 4th June
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look good on the drive, just dont start / drive / move it when someones around. very unimpressive.

sisu

896 posts

139 months

Friday 4th June
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benzinbob said:
Gavodicko said:
It always amazes me how so many members are accepting of electrification so is this the end of pistonheads as we know it?
It’s ok to like both electric and ICE cars yknow
Much like 20 years ago the move to make everything diesel wasn't the answer to all of the worlds problems. I don't think EV everything is the answer either.
In fact the honeymoon is over if you have an EV like we do. 3 years ago we knew everyone by name and the EV parking was always free at the shops.
Now there are people shouting at each other over how long you have been plugged in or should you even plug in at all, showing your charge and having to one up each other over your next journey. The next 10 years won't be better.
Even with single diget mpg the people at the gas station will be nicer to you.

rkanaga

415 posts

186 months

Friday 4th June
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sisu said:
Much like 20 years ago the move to make everything diesel wasn't the answer to all of the worlds problems. I don't think EV everything is the answer either.
In fact the honeymoon is over if you have an EV like we do. 3 years ago we knew everyone by name and the EV parking was always free at the shops.
Now there are people shouting at each other over how long you have been plugged in or should you even plug in at all, showing your charge and having to one up each other over your next journey. The next 10 years won't be better.
Even with single diget mpg the people at the gas station will be nicer to you.
Surely the thing about EV sport cars is that they need to look dramatic and sci-fi as they are unlikely to be faster than many more ordinary form types. I'm thinking an EV version of the Pre- Peter Stevens Lotus Esprit would make a good resto-mod. They even have a large central tunnel where you could site most of the batteries to keep the mass central and low. (It's not a transmission tunnel, just a structural member. You could even use Tesla's idea and make the battery pack a structural component as part of this.)

Mid engined cars actually make a lot of sense as sports EV's as you can keep all of the mass both low as well as central this reducing polar moment, Lotus and Rimac are leading the way here. I struggle to see what the front engined roadster form factor brings to this apart from pathos. I really hope that Lotus use the Evija development experience to launch a range of cheaper mid-engined EV sports cars along these lines. They could create soothing groundbreaking just as they did with the Elise.

Equus

11,119 posts

67 months

Friday 4th June
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rkanaga said:
Surely the thing about EV sport cars is that they need to look dramatic and sci-fi as they are unlikely to be faster than many more ordinary form types. I'm thinking an EV version of the Pre- Peter Stevens Lotus Esprit would make a good resto-mod. They even have a large central tunnel where you could site most of the batteries to keep the mass central and low. (It's not a transmission tunnel, just a structural member. You could even use Tesla's idea and make the battery pack a structural component as part of this.)

Mid engined cars actually make a lot of sense as sports EV's as you can keep all of the mass both low as well as central this reducing polar moment, Lotus and Rimac are leading the way here. I struggle to see what the front engined roadster form factor brings to this apart from pathos. I really hope that Lotus use the Evija development experience to launch a range of cheaper mid-engined EV sports cars along these lines. They could create soothing groundbreaking just as they did with the Elise.
Certainly, it's looking like acceleration (in the lower speed ranges) will be limited by tyre grip, so our beloved 0-60 times could all end up in the 2.5-3.5 second range, whether it's a sports car, saloon or performance SUV.

But lower build and more compact dimensions (hence lower centre of gravity, lower frontal area and less weight) should ensure that they still have the potential of higher top speeds, better cornering and better braking. It's tailor made to fit the Lotus ethos: I recently had the pleasure of a few hours chatting to one of their senior development guys, and suffice it to say that he was infectiously enthusiastic about the Evija and the company's future.

It's coming whether we like it or not, so we might as well stop crying into our real ale and look forward to the positive opportunities it will bring with it.

TIGA84

4,985 posts

197 months

Friday 4th June
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I think my £100K + on a Cobra would be here:

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1321742

I appreciate what they're doing and the tech, but 50% of a Cobra's appeal is the noise.

CrunkleFloop

557 posts

211 months

Friday 4th June
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sisu said:
I mean just look at the shock on their poor little faces as an EV future looms/

julian64

13,283 posts

220 months

Friday 4th June
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TIGA84 said:
I think my £100K + on a Cobra would be here:

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1321742

I appreciate what they're doing and the tech, but 50% of a Cobra's appeal is the noise.
Is that really work £100K!!

I bought a ram replica for £15K off hallmark cars in the eighties!!

Harry H

2,280 posts

122 months

Friday 4th June
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£150k for an electric kit car that'll be technically out of date from order to delivery. Just don't get it.

Looks pretty, but so what.

I understand why one would want a classic car. I also understand why one would want a modern car but, why would you buy a modern car from a manufacturer with such a small R&D budget.

In this car you just know the new bit won't be that great and it's missing the major bit that made the old bit so good.

There seems to be load of these relatively small businesses popping up at the moment electrifying old looking sports cars. It could work in say an old Roller or Bentley but doesn't in a sports car. They'll all disappear along with the support for anyone that buys one.

trando

647 posts

137 months

Friday 4th June
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anixie said:
Have only driven a Cobra once (replica) which ran a 427+nitro. It wasn't acceleration which I enjoyed most (although it was scary fast), but sound... Something the electric one doesn't really offer. Nothing against electric cars, and I even like the idea of electrical classics, but lets be fair. The biggest appeal of a a Cobra is sound....
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ZesPak

22,310 posts

162 months

Friday 4th June
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As someone who's completely convinced by EV's, I want an electric caterham NOW.

But this... and at 150k?

No, don't see the appeal.

julian64

13,283 posts

220 months

Friday 4th June
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sisu said:
Whats going on with the bottom right cobra there. The front intake looks squashed

Triumph Man

7,290 posts

134 months

Friday 4th June
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CrunkleFloop said:
sisu said:
I mean just look at the shock on their poor little faces as an EV future looms/
Nah they're all sat there thinking "I hope I get fitted with a V8 and not a food blender".

Four Litre

1,571 posts

158 months

Friday 4th June
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Gavodicko said:
It always amazes me how so many members are accepting of electrification so is this the end of pistonheads as we know it?
Agreed - I just fail to get excited by my Iphone, white goods or pretty much anything that's not mechanical with flames coming out! Once EV is really here I think a lot of models will be irrelevant as why spend £xxxx on something that lacks the overall excitement.

I'm glad I've had a good ICE innings as the future sounds very dull indeed.

ZesPak

22,310 posts

162 months

Friday 4th June
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Gavodicko said:
It always amazes me how so many members are accepting of electrification so is this the end of pistonheads as we know it?
Nah, that happened when they allowed non-TVR owners on here.

The spinner of plates

15,105 posts

166 months

Friday 4th June
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Rumblestripe said:
I think the big changer for car ownership will not be the switch to EVs but the switch to self driving cars like an Uber without the driver. You want to go to the supermarket, you book your SDC which turns up at the appointed time and drops you off at Asda and then takes someone else home with their shopping. No ownership costs, no need to be able to park it up, a simple hire charge based on time/distance. Great for going to the pub ,for example, no need for a designated driver. I think this will be coming in cities before too long.
Not to take the thread O/T... but in your example, the ‘problem’ already has a perfectly adequate solution today - it’s called a taxi.

And they’ve been around for as long as the car itself.

Plus you put some money into the pocket of the driver in order to feed their family / pay taxes / buy stuff in the shops etc.

sisu

896 posts

139 months

Friday 4th June
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julian64 said:
sisu said:
Whats going on with the bottom right cobra there. The front intake looks squashed
The bottom right one is a 289 earlier version, transverse leaf front suspension, narrower body without flares and the "squashed" AC Ace air inlet.
The others are the later 427 S/C so they have the later coil spring suspension, flared arches for wider wheels, larger radiator inlet and the oil cooler below.
Its worth noting that the EV AC in the article is a rendering as the over riders are the wrong size.

Equus

11,119 posts

67 months

Friday 4th June
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sisu said:
Its worth noting that the EV AC in the article is a rendering as the over riders are the wrong size.
You mean to tell me that they didn't spend days getting the red one and the blue one lined up in exactly the same position (with exactly the same camera location)? confused

Olivergt

632 posts

47 months

Friday 4th June
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I understand the need to move to electric.

What I don't understand is the electrification of cars that will only be driven a few thousand miles a year. It simply doesn't make sense from an environmental point of view. The environmental costs of EV batteries means that an EV needs to be driven a long way before it comes out better than an ICE car, products like this and converting other classics to electric does nothing for the environment.

I have always advocated taxing pollution when it is emitted, not on your ability to pollute, for example, if the tax was on petrol, if you chose to have a big V12 but only drove 3k a year, you would actually be polluting less than the salesman in his 4 pot driving 30k a year. Tax the actual pollution not the ability to pollute.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say that these will be a bit of a novelty for a few years, but then sales will drift off.

And my solution, I would like to see the ban on no more ICE after year X removed for smaller manufacturers where the total pollution is less than X for example.

I haven't got any figures for this, but I wouldn't mind betting that the total pollution of all AC Cobras for a year is probably less than one cargo ship emits sailing between China and Europe in a year.

ZesPak

22,310 posts

162 months

Friday 4th June
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Olivergt said:
What I don't understand is the electrification of cars that will only be driven a few thousand miles a year. It simply doesn't make sense from an environmental point of view.
You think people buy EVs for environmental reasons?

How about minimal warm up, instant performance, minimal maintenance. From a lot of perspectives they are ideal as weekenders. Many people love the idea of a car that looks like something from half a century ago, but few want to live with the reality. The fact that it might not start, or the fact that if you don't spanner yourself it'll cost you more than your main car that does 10x the mileage.

If you have to give up engine noise for that, that's a compromise many will be happy to make.

Also, don't forget we're getting older. None of us, as far as I know, grew up with horses in the street. My eldest son is 6 years old and the first car he'll remember is my ev. To him it's the fastest and coolest thing he knows, the others make a vile stench and rattling at the school gates. The generation between him and me (20 somethings) grew up with youtube videos of a Tesla humiliating just about everything from a stand still.
So while it seems like a foreign concept, horses, vinyls, arcade machines and black and white tvs still have a place as a hobby.

sisu

896 posts

139 months

Friday 4th June
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ZesPak said:
Olivergt said:
What I don't understand is the electrification of cars that will only be driven a few thousand miles a year. It simply doesn't make sense from an environmental point of view.
You think people buy EVs for environmental reasons?

How about minimal warm up, instant performance, minimal maintenance. From a lot of perspectives they are ideal as weekenders. Many people love the idea of a car that looks like something from half a century ago, but few want to live with the reality. The fact that it might not start, or the fact that if you don't spanner yourself it'll cost you more than your main car that does 10x the mileage.

If you have to give up engine noise for that, that's a compromise many will be happy to make.

Also, don't forget we're getting older. None of us, as far as I know, grew up with horses in the street. My eldest son is 6 years old and the first car he'll remember is my ev. To him it's the fastest and coolest thing he knows, the others make a vile stench and rattling at the school gates. The generation between him and me (20 somethings) grew up with youtube videos of a Tesla humiliating just about everything from a stand still.
So while it seems like a foreign concept, horses, vinyls, arcade machines and black and white tvs still have a place as a hobby.
Independence.

Being able to drive stick is a bit like being able to sail, fly or ride a motorbike. There have been many times where having the choice is better. I can always act dumber than I am.
I don't think every young adult wants a white Tesla model 3 given how Forza is awash with every other type of car and it isnt just my kids either?
Look at Speedhunters the most agnostic open church of Automotive culture and no one is building just EVs. It is all flame spitting turbo charged monsters.

Drifting should not be happening as a sport, given the criminal amount of money being spent on EV racing or e sports after all these years. Why is drifting blooming when Electric race series are hemoraging fans?

We own EVs, but my kids see them like a Uber. They love it when we take the Lamborfkinghini