RE: Musk cancels Tesla Model S Plaid+

RE: Musk cancels Tesla Model S Plaid+

Monday 7th June 2021

Musk cancels Tesla Model S Plaid+

Tesla CEO claims there is 'no need' for delayed top spec model



Bad news for Tesla fans. In a tweet yesterday, Elon Musk announced that the proposed Model S Plaid+ had been cancelled. This is notable because the new model was due to deliver an impressive 520 miles of range thanks to its next generation 4680 battery cells.

Characteristically, Musk downplayed the revelation: "Plaid+ is cancelled. No need, as Plaid is just so good." The top-spec model was announced at a battery event last year, although production had already been delayed. Now buyers will have to make do with the 'standard' Plaid variant.

Musk was at pains to remind people what that meant: "0-60mph in under 2 secs. Quickest production car ever made of any kind. Has to be felt to be believed." Rimac might have something to say about that, given the extraordinary level of performance offered by its new 1914hp Nevera hypercar - but the 200mph-capable tri-motor Plaid is undoubtedly set to be brisk. And with an estimated 390 miles of range, very usable too.

That's slightly less than the 412 miles offered by the current 'Long Range' dual motor Model S, but is offset by that car's laggardly 3.1 sec 0-to-60mph time. For now Plaid+ is still showing on the UK website as future option for £139,980 (it often lags behind Musk's tweets) but expect the £110,980 Plaid - due to be seen at an additional event later this week - to be the sole option going forward.


 

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Hugh Jarse

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3,524 posts

206 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Nippy.

David87

6,659 posts

213 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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390 is a lot less than 520. Yeah, the Plaid is plenty fast enough as it is, but I'd wager for a lot of those who would have stumped up the extra for the Plaid+ it would have been for the 4680 cells and the range this brings.

ntiz

2,343 posts

137 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Nobody saw this coming rolleyes

Wonder how long until the roadster gets canned or expectations cut.

ddom

6,657 posts

49 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Tesla not delivering on a promise.....

Well I never rofl

TyrannosauRoss Lex

35,094 posts

213 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Shock horror.

"no need, Plaid is just so good" laugh

That sounds exactly like the words uttered by someone who's keen to drive technology forward rolleyes

Leon R

3,207 posts

97 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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David87 said:
390 is a lot less than 520. Yeah, the Plaid is plenty fast enough as it is, but I'd wager for a lot of those who would have stumped up the extra for the Plaid+ it would have been for the 4680 cells and the range this brings.
Agree with this.

If anything it seems like on paper the pointless car is the Plaid and the Plaid+ would have actually offered something new.

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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ddom said:
Tesla not delivering on a promise.....

Well I never rofl
How long before the Cyber truck gets canceled? Where are the driverless johnny cabs?

benzinbob

750 posts

57 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Ok Elon mate

anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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He’s successfully convinced the gullible that the 520 mile range car was feasible. Just like the roadster v2 that doesn’t exist. Yet people used the “target” specs of the roadster v2 as a stick to beat the new rimac with. It’s unbelievable how he has people wrapped around his finger.

tedman

368 posts

105 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Probably a roundabout way of saying they are struggling with the semiconductor shortages and would rather keep their current production ticking over for now.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

35,094 posts

213 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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tedman said:
Probably a roundabout way of saying they are struggling with the semiconductor shortages and would rather keep their current production ticking over for now.
So it's NOT because the Plaid is already good enough, and because of that they'll never decide to produce anything better? hehe

S17Thumper

4,391 posts

187 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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They were calling round order holders last week steering them toward changing their order from the + model

Numeric

1,397 posts

152 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
tedman said:
Probably a roundabout way of saying they are struggling with the semiconductor shortages and would rather keep their current production ticking over for now.
So it's NOT because the Plaid is already good enough, and because of that they'll never decide to produce anything better? hehe
I think Musk is telling the truth.

I am always told to knock a third off the range of an electric car for real world chilly damp M4 style motoring when I ask the question, so I guess that would have had a massive benefit to a Plaid + for either not needing to charge or practical for the long haul warriors out there BUT how many are there out there and how much more would this have cost.

So in a way Elon (I am not a fan) was right I suspect - the Plaid is actually good enough for X% of the population and the extra few % that would really benefit from the extension is just not enough for the expense of bringing it to market. I killed a lot of 'better' car programmes back in the day for exactly this reason.

The trouble is the endless idiotic hype - from announcements of new models, performance and worst of all 'full self driving' which would lull people into a false sense of security if it is ever launched. If he hadn't over hyped this Plaid + programme he would just look like he was making a very rationale business decision, not failing somehow!!

What is fascinating is my 11 year old nephew is convinced the Tesla is the best car in the world because it has ludicrous mode and self diving etc. I'm intrigued to see if this will all translate into long term sales - to my eyes the S is looking quite old and are there enough people who think my nephew is right?

(And yes If I was to get an Electric car I suggest 3 would be at or near the top of my list, but not because of the hype but because it seems to be a good car!!)

Edited by Numeric on Monday 7th June 12:27

J4CKO

41,613 posts

201 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Title says "RE: Musk cancels Tesla Model S Plaid"

Article actually about the Plaid Plus, clickbaity or just run out of charac...

Durzel

12,273 posts

169 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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David87 said:
390 is a lot less than 520. Yeah, the Plaid is plenty fast enough as it is, but I'd wager for a lot of those who would have stumped up the extra for the Plaid+ it would have been for the 4680 cells and the range this brings.
+1

And let's be realistic, those are EPA numbers as well. No one is going to be getting 520 or 390 actual travelled miles on a charge.

Factor in winter and/or rain, etc and you could conceivably see 1/3 or more off those ranges.

I sense that this is more nonsense relating to parts shortages, like the whole "logs show customers didn't play about with their seats every day, so we removed passenger lumbar support.. not at all related to microprocessor shortages, even if BMW are giving their customers a credit for taking cars without the same thing. No sirree Bob".

Tesla's biggest problem now, I think, is that people are starting to disbelieve these statements in greater numbers. All but the biggest zealots are starting to find it incredulous. It didn't matter that he would quote optimistic timelines, etc when they had no practical competition, but EVs are on every manufacturer's radar now. They aren't resting on their laurels and, more importantly, trying to continually hoodwink existing and potential customers.

Dave Hedgehog

14,568 posts

205 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Joey Deacon said:
How long before the Cyber truck gets canceled? Where are the driverless johnny cabs?
hes spent alot on the cyber truck factory smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4HgcAVEjOw


anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Dave Hedgehog said:
Joey Deacon said:
How long before the Cyber truck gets canceled? Where are the driverless johnny cabs?
hes spent alot on the cyber truck factory smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4HgcAVEjOw
I thought most Tesla's were built in their high tech poly tunnel tent in the car park facility by hand?

hammo19

5,012 posts

197 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Plaid being replaced by the Kilt.

modeller

445 posts

167 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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Given the plaid+ was the 'same' under the skin as the roaster .. you do wonder if the latter will survive.

Durzel

12,273 posts

169 months

Monday 7th June 2021
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modeller said:
Given the plaid+ was the 'same' under the skin as the roaster .. you do wonder if the latter will survive.
It probably will, it's too big a deal to just let disappear. It does bring into question the notion that it will do 600+ miles when the bigger Model S car can't, though. I guess the battery tech just isn't there yet (or isn't available in volume).