RE: Tesla confirms Model S Plaid performance

[ITP]

The £162 for the smart and £267 for the id3 are miles out though, for what people actually need.

Both are for 4 years and only 5k/year.
Firstly, most people who lease are petrified of a car out of warranty, or needing an MOT, that’s one of the main reasons given over and over again for leasing.

Therefore if we use 3 years, and secondly, a more realistic 10k miles a year, the numbers are a lot different.

£162/month becomes £230. 42% more
£267/month becomes £394. 47% more

Seriously, how many people lease for 4 years and 5k miles/year? Less than 5%?

[Northernboy]

Pixelpeep Z4 said:

Reductio ad absurdum signals the end of our conversation. Thanks for taking part.

It's a valid technique to show that you weren't able to find something that you claimed exsited. You said that you can have a car for £162 oer month, which you can't. You can have it for that much per month, plus some more money.

Maybe you're one of those who the dealerships are aiing to get with these sort of tactics. Is that the case, do you lease your car and think that the monthly cost actually means something?

[anonymous-user]

Bobskirs6 said:

Massive power and torque with electric motors is not exactly hard and I cannot see £100k+ in this thing. In fact I am struggling to see why these electric cars cost as much as they do.

Oh dear

[chrisironside]

Pixelpeep Z4 said:

I'll correct - you can lease an EV for £193.12 a month. There. You can all empty the sand from your vaginas now.

Thought the Harry Potter quote "Reductio ad absurdum" was quite inspired, but using things like handbags/vaginas/tampons to put down people you think are unreasonable is really pathetic.

[WestyCarl]

Back on topic....

Everybody thought the touchscreen was ridiculous when relased but now has general acceptance and is being copied by others. Will this be the same for the Plaid steering wheel in a few years?

[annodomini2]

WestyCarl said:

Back on topic....

Everybody thought the touchscreen was ridiculous when relased but now has general acceptance and is being copied by others. Will this be the same for the Plaid steering wheel in a few years?

Everyone copied the "cool" kids at school

[anonymous-user]

The word Plaid makes me cringe.

Tartan Tesla sounds much better !

[Leon R]

WestyCarl said:

Back on topic....

Everybody thought the touchscreen was ridiculous when relased but now has general acceptance and is being copied by others. Will this be the same for the Plaid steering wheel in a few years?

Has the steering wheel even been approved? Manufacturers have tried it before without success and last Tesla piece I saw was that they had a normal one ready to go if they couldn't get this one through.

[dbs2000]

andy43 said:

I have a V8 for fun Problem with Teslas is they are just too fast! If they were about as nippy as a Nissan Leaf nobody would be comparing them to M5s and E63s so the whole 'they drive much worse than a Taycan' conversation wouldn't even be relevant. MS is a boat, it's just very very quick off the line. M3 with suspension and brakes is a weapon though - Nurbugring youtube people have a few of them. Superfast, super efficient. But fun? Emotional? Naah.

Nail on the head

PhantomPH said:

Will you two stop it!! Don't you know where you are?? Pistonheads - where 'black and white opinions only' matter.

You come in here with your own experiences and thoughts and 'how you make it work for you'...honestly...

Sorry, I mean me and the other poster obviously hate each other really, I mean who buys a performance model 3

J4CKO said:

Was talking to my brother, his company have given him the offer of a long range Model 3 in lieu of a car allowance, he has a Focus ST he plans to get remapped and likes it.

So would lose £400 a month and gain a very quickly accelerating and fairly decent EV, but lose a petrol engine and possibly some fun.

Its a sort of Faustian exchange, can imagine after the wheeee bit of the acceleration, whoopee cushions hilarity and other novelty there may be a "What have I done" moment.

I want him to get one so I can have a go but think he would regret it, he does too.

I am strange as I love the whole EV thing but dont have much of a desire for one, need to drive one properly but based on the odd passenger ride, I am happy with my noisy, bouncy, obnoxious boy racer Ford.

In all honesty, I will never have another ICE commuter wagon. I have tried desperately to dislike the Tesla (seems weird as my own business is paying for it and I choose it) but it can't be done. If its his money paying fuel, he won't regret it. In 28000km I've spent about 700 on electric. Given the choices out there now, I would try a Polstar and ID3, we have a little one and the rear door access is a little limited and the rear hatch is fecking useless. Why they didn't make a properly opening boot I don;t know.

[Moley RUFC]

Agreed, it’s hard not to be impressed with the whole package, even if the looks are debatable.

ETA - the looks of my M3P I should add. The S looks the best of the Tesla family IMHO.

[Dave Hedgehog]

Moley RUFC said:

Agreed, it’s hard not to be impressed with the whole package, even if the looks are debatable.

ETA - the looks of my M3P I should add. The S looks the best of the Tesla family IMHO.

the Model 3 would look a lot better with an S like nose

[anonymous-user]

WestyCarl said:

Back on topic....

Everybody thought the touchscreen was ridiculous when relased but now has general acceptance and is being copied by others. Will this be the same for the Plaid steering wheel in a few years?

Acceptance? I think it looks fvcking gash, they are horrible to use and I hate that other manufacturers have copied them. The touch screen is the only thing I dislike about the Taycan.

[otolith]

fblm said:

Acceptance? I think it looks fvcking gash, they are horrible to use and I hate that other manufacturers have copied them. The touch screen is the only thing I dislike about the Taycan.

But now, if your new model doesn't have one, it looks old fashioned.

[jagfan2]

Iwantafusca said:

The word Plaid makes me cringe.

Tartan Tesla sounds much better !

You know its from Spaceballs right, 1 faster than Ludicrous

[Dave Hedgehog]

fblm said:

WestyCarl said:

Back on topic....

Everybody thought the touchscreen was ridiculous when relased but now has general acceptance and is being copied by others. Will this be the same for the Plaid steering wheel in a few years?

Acceptance? I think it looks fvcking gash, they are horrible to use and I hate that other manufacturers have copied them. The touch screen is the only thing I dislike about the Taycan.

for the controls you use all the time like temp, fan speed, wiper speed, etc they are damn dangerous, you have to take your eyes of the road so long and its so hard to accuratly hit the screen whilst the car moves around

removing the stalks is a big mistake IMO, its a ste idea

[cidered77]

jagfan2 said:

Iwantafusca said:

The word Plaid makes me cringe.

Tartan Tesla sounds much better !

You know its from Spaceballs right, 1 faster than Ludicrous

did not know that - and in fairness, that is cool.

Not really in the market for one of these, or any Tesla just yet - but, got to admire what they're doing, and like it or not, what they're doing is different: cars that havent changed design for a decade, but continually evolving powertrain and software. Maybe that's the future right there....

Also love how they wind up crusty middle aged men who Don't Like Change and That's That!

[jagfan2]

cidered77 said:

did not know that - and in fairness, that is cool.

Not really in the market for one of these, or any Tesla just yet - but, got to admire what they're doing, and like it or not, what they're doing is different: cars that havent changed design for a decade, but continually evolving powertrain and software. Maybe that's the future right there....

Also love how they wind up crusty middle aged men who Don't Like Change and That's That!

Not a Musk fan per se, but i i do like his geek cool sometimes, i loved this mel brooks movie, its a hilarious star wars spoof

He also names his SpaceX landing droneships after famous AI spaceships ones from my favourite Sci-Fi author Iain M. Banks (lost too soon). While his ideology goes a long way from Banks's its still cool, and his latest ship is the 'A Shortfall of Gravitas' which is the perhaps best ship name ( the ships AI's pick their own names - its a thing)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_spaceport...

Not sure only updating software/powertrains fully works, most OEMS do do this with mid cycle refreshes, but in theory mobiles could do this and they dont. The Model S is very dated now, but at least older ones can be upgraded with new screens and GUI to support the new software (some free as they had a major warranty issue), though other OEMs have cottoned on and doing this more finally

[anonymous-user]

Dave Hedgehog said:

fblm said:

WestyCarl said:

Back on topic....

Everybody thought the touchscreen was ridiculous when relased but now has general acceptance and is being copied by others. Will this be the same for the Plaid steering wheel in a few years?

Acceptance? I think it looks fvcking gash, they are horrible to use and I hate that other manufacturers have copied them. The touch screen is the only thing I dislike about the Taycan.

for the controls you use all the time like temp, fan speed, wiper speed, etc they are damn dangerous, you have to take your eyes of the road so long and its so hard to accuratly hit the screen whilst the car moves around

removing the stalks is a big mistake IMO, its a ste idea

I agree I hate them, the Porsche still has stalks but I've found myself distracted just changing radio stations. I get why manufacturers do it besides being cool; it must cost about 1/10 to hook a screen up in a dash compared to an array of different switches and dials. The Audi etron GT looks like a decent compromise of screen and dials. I'd also like to throw whoever coined the term "infotainment" off a tall building!

[annodomini2]

Tesla's voice control for functions is very good, their navigation voice control not so much

[Numpty with honours]

Perhaps I am in a bad mood, but what is the point of the performance figures of this new Tesla when it is inevitable that changes over speed are just around the corner

Limiters come in 2022 and with electric cars the government are losing just under 70 pence per litre in excise duty. Therefore, it must be inevitable that cars will have to have tracking devices to show their mileage so that lost revenue can be raised. A monthly statement ( like your mobile phone account) and with the tracking device, speeding violations will be noted and reported (possibly to your insurers) and fines raised - perhaps advisory notes reminding you of what the speed limits are on certain roads.