1st Amendment Auditors
Discussion
These are great, I am wasting so much time watching them.
Background- Filming in public in the USA is protected by the 1st amendment, it has been tested all the way to the supreme court (Smith vs City of Cumming). It is no more illegal than walking down the pavement. Public also includes any government owned building, because the government don't own it, the people do, because the government are just representatives and employees of the people.
Apparently though, government employees and frequently the general public need reminded of this, they have a passionate belief that they must provide consent to be be filmed even though they are filmed every step of their day by security cameras. The irony of someone standing underneath a camera that films them all throughout their working day, crying because they are being filmed, is quite delicious.
There are a ton of wind up merchants going around filming people for the lols and most entertaining it is to.
Most of the time the cops are called and most of the time they don't even know the law. It's amazing.
A few examples for your viewing pleasure. "Press NH Now" is my favorite, he has some balls!
Post office employees freak out, police are clueless
https://youtu.be/ImZvTrrbGLw?list=PLEqSybSG3Pxl8LF...
A business owner seems to have a direct line to the chief of police and exposes some pretty egregious corruption
https://youtu.be/wEogOfxDj7I
Police actually do their job
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Bv1zBO6LI
A new one just out today. Man films pot dispensary in California. Owner chases him down the street and calls the cops, ends up doxing himself to the youtube live stream followers. Part 2 is the best, but you need part 1 to get the context
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP69O2u4mz0&t=...
Background- Filming in public in the USA is protected by the 1st amendment, it has been tested all the way to the supreme court (Smith vs City of Cumming). It is no more illegal than walking down the pavement. Public also includes any government owned building, because the government don't own it, the people do, because the government are just representatives and employees of the people.
Apparently though, government employees and frequently the general public need reminded of this, they have a passionate belief that they must provide consent to be be filmed even though they are filmed every step of their day by security cameras. The irony of someone standing underneath a camera that films them all throughout their working day, crying because they are being filmed, is quite delicious.
There are a ton of wind up merchants going around filming people for the lols and most entertaining it is to.
Most of the time the cops are called and most of the time they don't even know the law. It's amazing.
A few examples for your viewing pleasure. "Press NH Now" is my favorite, he has some balls!
Post office employees freak out, police are clueless
https://youtu.be/ImZvTrrbGLw?list=PLEqSybSG3Pxl8LF...
A business owner seems to have a direct line to the chief of police and exposes some pretty egregious corruption
https://youtu.be/wEogOfxDj7I
Police actually do their job
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Bv1zBO6LI
A new one just out today. Man films pot dispensary in California. Owner chases him down the street and calls the cops, ends up doxing himself to the youtube live stream followers. Part 2 is the best, but you need part 1 to get the context
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP69O2u4mz0&t=...
Matter of opinion.
His point is that he has a right to film. So he is being a bit of a dick antagonizing people, that is an understandable reaction but I think it goes beyond that. Once you watch more you might see there is actually a bit of a problem being addressed
Clearly these people need reminding that a)he has every right to film and they have zero rights to stop him and that includes zero justification for calling the police and/or getting in his face making threats or being aggressive b)(in the case of public buildings and the police) they clearly need reminding who the boss is. The arrogance of the police, most of the time, is astounding, they think they can make up the law and throw their weight around. In one video the chief of police refers to "my police station"- he gets shut down right away and reminded exactly whose police station it is.
I find it refreshing and in a way it is a public duty to keep these people in check; a lot of unjustified egos get popped
If everyone said "you have a right to film, go ahead" then there would be no videos. If the police showed up and explained the law of the land and everyone went about their day, there would be no videos, or better still any calls to the police were shut down "doesn't sound like any crime is being committed"
For pure comedy, the last one is the best (pot shop). Press NH Now has a bit more of a valid public interest angle IMO
His point is that he has a right to film. So he is being a bit of a dick antagonizing people, that is an understandable reaction but I think it goes beyond that. Once you watch more you might see there is actually a bit of a problem being addressed
Clearly these people need reminding that a)he has every right to film and they have zero rights to stop him and that includes zero justification for calling the police and/or getting in his face making threats or being aggressive b)(in the case of public buildings and the police) they clearly need reminding who the boss is. The arrogance of the police, most of the time, is astounding, they think they can make up the law and throw their weight around. In one video the chief of police refers to "my police station"- he gets shut down right away and reminded exactly whose police station it is.
I find it refreshing and in a way it is a public duty to keep these people in check; a lot of unjustified egos get popped
If everyone said "you have a right to film, go ahead" then there would be no videos. If the police showed up and explained the law of the land and everyone went about their day, there would be no videos, or better still any calls to the police were shut down "doesn't sound like any crime is being committed"
For pure comedy, the last one is the best (pot shop). Press NH Now has a bit more of a valid public interest angle IMO
Edited by Stigproducts on Thursday 24th June 19:24
knk said:
These "auditors" are just disingenuous troublemakers spoiling for a fight, in the main.
In your opinion.I think, in the main, this is a valuable public service, especially when done on public building and public employees.
Filming the pot shop; Providing the cops come and assert his rights, there is no public service there other than a passed "audit" and some serious comedy. I don't know what else SLO Observer gets up to, but I think Press NH Now is doing great work
Stigproducts said:
knk said:
These "auditors" are just disingenuous troublemakers spoiling for a fight, in the main.
In your opinion.I can stand on the street outside your house and film your house to my hearts content because I'm doing it from a public place. Got any kids? I can film them as well and there is nothing you can do it about it.
You could call the police and they are likely to be as uncertain of the law as the police in those videos so more fun and games for me. The question is why would I want to? I think this falls under 'just because you can, doesn't mean you should.'
To ensure your rights are protected and not being eroded.
Standing in the street filming someones house is pretty boring, if you ignore them there isn't much point them doing it. People freaking out "you have no right", especially when they are public employees or police, justifies the films; if no one freaked out then there would be nothing watch.
It also exposes the boiling frog situation regarding public surveillance; the pot shop video linked above being case in point. That place is decked out with cameras including one right outside the front door. Filming your kids, as you walk past or go in. But that's fine because the pot shop people are such trustworthy people? What gives them the rights to film you or me? The same rights that I have to film them or you. No one is freaking out because of their camera, despite them clearly being a bunch of dicks.
I haven't seen any of these people filming kids or peoples houses. Just public buildings or anywhere public that might elicit the police being called.
I have the right to film in public, but apparently if I do, I am going to be harassed, assaulted and possibly arrested if I refuse to stop when ordered to by a city hall nobody or a stupid police officer. These guys are clearing the way so that doesn't happen and I can film if I want to. They shouldn't have to, the Police should be enforcing my rights and the fact that they don't, despite taking my money every day is a concern to me. What's next, that I have the right to do, but can't actually, because people are aggressively wrong? Someone should, be addressing this because clearly the police and public officials can't be trusted to, despite filming us constantly themselves.
and yes I do live in the US, despite what my profile says
Standing in the street filming someones house is pretty boring, if you ignore them there isn't much point them doing it. People freaking out "you have no right", especially when they are public employees or police, justifies the films; if no one freaked out then there would be nothing watch.
It also exposes the boiling frog situation regarding public surveillance; the pot shop video linked above being case in point. That place is decked out with cameras including one right outside the front door. Filming your kids, as you walk past or go in. But that's fine because the pot shop people are such trustworthy people? What gives them the rights to film you or me? The same rights that I have to film them or you. No one is freaking out because of their camera, despite them clearly being a bunch of dicks.
I haven't seen any of these people filming kids or peoples houses. Just public buildings or anywhere public that might elicit the police being called.
I have the right to film in public, but apparently if I do, I am going to be harassed, assaulted and possibly arrested if I refuse to stop when ordered to by a city hall nobody or a stupid police officer. These guys are clearing the way so that doesn't happen and I can film if I want to. They shouldn't have to, the Police should be enforcing my rights and the fact that they don't, despite taking my money every day is a concern to me. What's next, that I have the right to do, but can't actually, because people are aggressively wrong? Someone should, be addressing this because clearly the police and public officials can't be trusted to, despite filming us constantly themselves.
and yes I do live in the US, despite what my profile says
Bunch of old misery guts - they are missing out.
I like the public servant ones when they get taken down a peg or two but I've watched this pot shop one 3 times now today, it is hilarious; it's got so much varied action. It's like a comedy farce show, just bellend after colorful character walking into shot and hamming it up, and the guy with the camera just standing there not really saying anything. I heartily recommend it, especially part 2 when the shop owner doxes himself on a livestream; his face is a picture when everyone watching starts phoning him up and sending him abusive text.
I like the public servant ones when they get taken down a peg or two but I've watched this pot shop one 3 times now today, it is hilarious; it's got so much varied action. It's like a comedy farce show, just bellend after colorful character walking into shot and hamming it up, and the guy with the camera just standing there not really saying anything. I heartily recommend it, especially part 2 when the shop owner doxes himself on a livestream; his face is a picture when everyone watching starts phoning him up and sending him abusive text.
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