RE: Porsche 944 Turbo | Spotted

[blade7]

Olivera said:

blade7 said:

I couldn't read the text, but the 968 turbo S was pretty well strangled to compete in it's race class. The road 944 turbo was also power limited, to a lesser extent.

If you want more easily upgradeable power from that era then go for a Sierra Cosworth.

Been there, done that. You have to remember the Ford was around half the price of the Porsche when new. That made the Cosworth a bargain, but the Porsche was better built.

[GC8]

Leins said:

Wasn’t just 911s it was compared to in period




As for the 968, if you want one of those with a turbo it’s going to cost a lot more than £50k. I believe this one sold for $650k earlier this year:

I bought this new, and still have it. It is the inception of my 30+ year involvement with FrontRunners.

[waynecyclist]

I think this is a better buy for £10K less: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11349691

[GC8]

A far better car, but it is an S2 and not a Turbo, which may affect its future value.

[blade7]

GC8 said:

A far better car, but it is an S2 and not a Turbo, which may affect its future value.

No doubt about that IMO.

[SidewaysSi]

blade7 said:

GC8 said:

A far better car, but it is an S2 and not a Turbo, which may affect its future value.

No doubt about that IMO.

That's the least of the issues! Don't think value would be top of the list of priorities of anyone interested in that thing.

[QuattroDave]

CedricN said:

Looking at club racing etc lap times times here the old 911s are way behind. Its so easy to make the transaxle cars go fast even with modern standards, especially the turbos of course.

From a us test back in the day

Even more amazing than the 944 being faster than the 911, both have exactly the same 'base' price and price as tested. Far cry from todays 50% loading for price as tested porsches you tend to see.

[blade7]

Porsche could have easily and cheaply bumped the power up to 300 bhp using the 1989 2.7 engine as the base. But that would have compromised 911 sales.

[CedricN]

blade7 said:

Porsche could have easily and cheaply bumped the power up to 300 bhp using the 1989 2.7 engine as the base. But that would have compromised 911 sales.

Definitely, and as many have shown over the years the 3l 16v engine responded very very well to boost, if porsche would have done an s2 turbo in 1989 it would have been something exceptional

[Strider]

Complete adore my Turbo S. The noise is proper high performance four, the ride is wonderful yet the dynamics are unbelievable. Really impressive. I actually disagree with "It's no 911." I have a 1988 3.2 as well, worth multiples of the value of the 944, but its the cheaper car that is most impressive and most fun.

[gareth h]

My 1991 944T is the only car I’ve owned that I would buy back in a heartbeat.

[BAMoFo]

Strider said:

Complete adore my Turbo S. The noise is proper high performance four, the ride is wonderful yet the dynamics are unbelievable. Really impressive. I actually disagree with "It's no 911." I have a 1988 3.2 as well, worth multiples of the value of the 944, but its the cheaper car that is most impressive and most fun.

In my opinion it was the engine noise that let the 944 turbo down more than anything else. I thought it was pretty dull and my car (944 Turbo Cabriolet) had the same engine as your 944 Turbo S. Each to their own I suppose.

[PomBstard]

PomBstard said:

The specialist I use for my 928 loves transaxle Porsches, so there’s always lots to look at, and they race a 944T with the S2 block - about 520bhp in road tune, around 580 on the track.

Bit more info on this one - it usually runs around 560bhp for the road and a bit over 600 on the track…

Block and head - crank, cams, valves - are standard S2 3.0 16v except for custom pistons and conrods
Gearbox and torque tube are standard 86 Turbo
Ignition system standard 86 Turbo
Rear brakes also std 86T

Lots of other changes front brakes, suspension, manifolds - but there are several main items that are strong enough to take more than twice standard power. Porsche definitely held it back.

[CedricN]

PomBstard said:

PomBstard said:

The specialist I use for my 928 loves transaxle Porsches, so there’s always lots to look at, and they race a 944T with the S2 block - about 520bhp in road tune, around 580 on the track.

Bit more info on this one - it usually runs around 560bhp for the road and a bit over 600 on the track…

Block and head - crank, cams, valves - are standard S2 3.0 16v except for custom pistons and conrods
Gearbox and torque tube are standard 86 Turbo
Ignition system standard 86 Turbo
Rear brakes also std 86T

Lots of other changes front brakes, suspension, manifolds - but there are several main items that are strong enough to take more than twice standard power. Porsche definitely held it back.

And when you want to go nuts give Gustav from revline racing a call to get ideas

However it didn't last over time at around the 1000hp mark since it finally cracked the block when they were racing the time attavk event in Australia..

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[blade7]

Check out the RP968 THOR engine to see what could be the ultimate?

[CedricN]

blade7 said:

Check out the RP968 THOR engine to see what could be the ultimate?

That's a completely bespoke engine made out of machined aluminium, so not really comparable, very loosely related to the 944 engine. But still very cool in its own way!

[blade7]

I liked Gustav's Green Hunter.

[Magnum 475]

blade7 said:

Porsche could have easily and cheaply bumped the power up to 300 bhp using the 1989 2.7 engine as the base. But that would have compromised 911 sales.

You didn't even need to do that. 300 bhp was easily obtainable on the later 944 turbo by upping the boost pressure (mechanical waste gate spring change), and altering the injection map a little. No need for anything else. Much over 300bhp was when you started to make bigger changes.

[blade7]

Magnum 475 said:

blade7 said:

Porsche could have easily and cheaply bumped the power up to 300 bhp using the 1989 2.7 engine as the base. But that would have compromised 911 sales.

You didn't even need to do that. 300 bhp was easily obtainable on the later 944 turbo by upping the boost pressure (mechanical waste gate spring change), and altering the injection map a little. No need for anything else. Much over 300bhp was when you started to make bigger changes.

It would be nice to fill in the bit before the boost arrives though.

[BAMoFo]

blade7 said:

SidewaysSi said:

Looks great but really quite a boring package.

LOL.

No debate whatsoever then - just LOL? It used to be possible to have opposing opinions on things without trying to cut people off by trying to denigrate them. From memory i recall that used to own one. Perhaps you still do and that may be swaying your opinion in some way? Nothing wrong with that at all, but it would be useful if you would present your reasons for why you like them so much. I've stated that I don't like the exhaust note and the strange mixture of engine smoothness that is more akin to a 6 cylinder engine but without the improved soundtrack. If you could enlighten me on how to resolve that I would be very interested because the lack of it was the only reason I sold it. I may be persuaded to buy another one because in all other respects I find them pretty compelling.

Edited for typo due to auto correct.

Edited by BAMoFo on Saturday 11th December 17:10