RE: Porsche 718 Spyder RS breaks cover

RE: Porsche 718 Spyder RS breaks cover

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VR6 Eug

353 posts

176 months

Friday 13th May
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myhandle said:
Rob.043 said:
Great to see.

I superb last hurrah for these engines possibly, but there must be a rule work around that will let some epic egines remain after 2030. These N/A RS cars are still with us when most other performance engines are turbo charged, surely at the cost of some CO2 tax. I can imagine the more mainstream models will suffer the electrification more thoroughly and there will still be petrol engine cars for sale which only need some nominal range from a gearbox mounted beefed up starter motor to qualify as a hybrid.... Managing then to do something more like the P1 did in bringing exciting performance from mild electrification. I keep meaning to read up on the relevant EU rules, but haven't
I think they can sell hybrids until 2035. Lamborghini and Ferrari have teamed up to try and get a low-volume exemption after then.

I like older cars too, and will be happy to drive stuff built up to 2035. What worries me more is E10 fuel being the thin end of a wedge. Already, my integrale and 60s BMW 2000CS can’t really run on E10 safely. E5 has now been redesignated Super even if it isn’t that high octane. Prices of it have gone up. So far, so bad. However say they introduce E15 or something as a standard fuel, and E5 becomes hard to find? This is the real problem for enthusiasts, I think. I guess I/ we will cross that bridge when we come to it.
Plenty of videos on YouTube that explain how to remove the ethanol from petrol for your classics, looks easy to be fair...Good luck

VR6 Eug

353 posts

176 months

Friday 13th May
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esotericar said:
VR6 Eug said:
The Cayman will still be the better steer.
Not by much.

With the 981/982 platform, the open car is pretty stiff. Prior generations, 987.1 and .2 (obviously there was no 986 Cayman), the coupe's extra stiffness made a big difference to how the car felt. But with the 981, the Boxster platform is so stiff, it's no longer much of an issue.
According to Porsche, the Cayman is 40% stiffer than the Boxster.

foxhounduk

381 posts

157 months

Friday 13th May
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It looks a bit Carrera GT from 2004 to me from some angles! Not a bad thing! What a beautiful machine!

GTRene

13,197 posts

201 months

Friday 13th May
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damn, now I have to buy this model as well, next to the coupe GT4 RS, so I will have a set nerd

wake up GTRene, you are day dreaming again cloud9

esotericar

117 posts

4 months

Friday 13th May
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VR6 Eug said:
According to Porsche, the Cayman is 40% stiffer than the Boxster.
40% percent stiffer than what, is the key question. A relative figure that it meaningless on its own. The point is that the 981 is at the point in terms of stiffness that it's hard to subjectively feel the flex, unlike the 987. Adding more stiffness doesn't change that.

So, where the 987 coupe felt stiffer, more together and sharper than the 987 roadster, that is less true if at all true for the 981.

jayxx83

412 posts

173 months

Friday 13th May
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A true classic before it’s even release. The stuff dreams are made of.

Holgate86

395 posts

17 months

Friday 13th May
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Wouldn’t sell me a 718 Spyder so no point in getting excited here, if I want to bounce off a 9000 rpm limiter I’ll just have to buy another Honda S2000.

VR6 Eug

353 posts

176 months

Saturday 14th May
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esotericar said:
VR6 Eug said:
According to Porsche, the Cayman is 40% stiffer than the Boxster.
40% percent stiffer than what, is the key question. A relative figure that it meaningless on its own. The point is that the 981 is at the point in terms of stiffness that it's hard to subjectively feel the flex, unlike the 987. Adding more stiffness doesn't change that.

So, where the 987 coupe felt stiffer, more together and sharper than the 987 roadster, that is less true if at all true for the 981.
40% stiffer than the boxster chassis in its torsional rigidity. Making the Cayman the better steer.

bigmowley

1,347 posts

153 months

Saturday 14th May
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VR6 Eug said:
esotericar said:
VR6 Eug said:
According to Porsche, the Cayman is 40% stiffer than the Boxster.
40% percent stiffer than what, is the key question. A relative figure that it meaningless on its own. The point is that the 981 is at the point in terms of stiffness that it's hard to subjectively feel the flex, unlike the 987. Adding more stiffness doesn't change that.

So, where the 987 coupe felt stiffer, more together and sharper than the 987 roadster, that is less true if at all true for the 981.
40% stiffer than the boxster chassis in its torsional rigidity. Making the Cayman the better steer.
Having tracked both a 718 Spyder and a GT4 I can unequivocally confirm that the Cayman is a better steer on track.
No plans to ever track the Spyder again!

Still want an RS Spyder though lick

Miserablegit

3,187 posts

86 months

Saturday 14th May
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It’s not quite as simple as that.
The cayman suffers from carrying excess weight as it is based on the boxster platform which is designed to be an open top and has extra stiffening as a result.

By closing the roof and making the Cayman it does, indeed, have additional rigidity but I think we are clearly in the zone of diminishing returns. The boxster is stiff enough anyway.

dom1102

92 posts

187 months

Saturday 14th May
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Centrelock hubs/rims a bit of a giveaway 😉

Grantstown

571 posts

64 months

Saturday 14th May
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The carrera GT is king for me with its V10, but this is bloody lovely (and it’ll be a lot cheaper of course).

biggbn

13,201 posts

197 months

Saturday 14th May
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That is the most desirable car in the Porsche range to me.

esotericar

117 posts

4 months

Saturday 14th May
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VR6 Eug said:
40% stiffer than the boxster chassis in its torsional rigidity. Making the Cayman the better steer.
No, it's not that simple. You are not reading what is being posted. It doesn't always work like that.

Pan Pan Pan

8,466 posts

88 months

Saturday 14th May
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Miserablegit said:
It’s not quite as simple as that.
The cayman suffers from carrying excess weight as it is based on the boxster platform which is designed to be an open top and has extra stiffening as a result.

By closing the roof and making the Cayman it does, indeed, have additional rigidity but I think we are clearly in the zone of diminishing returns. The boxster is stiff enough anyway.
The weight of the folding hood gear, is going to pretty much equal the weight of the sheet metal forming the roof of a Cayman, so I doubt there will be much in it,
Has anyone got the `finished' weight of the 718, compared
to an equivalent Cayman?

ChrisW.

4,493 posts

232 months

Saturday 14th May
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This is still the best IMHO ...



Fast enough, a true lightweight, hydraulic power steering and far more economical to run ...

Are Porsche going backwards with all these bells and whistles ?

Forget supply issues ....

biggbn

13,201 posts

197 months

Saturday 14th May
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ChrisW. said:
This is still the best IMHO ...



Fast enough, a true lightweight, hydraulic power steering and far more economical to run ...

Are Porsche going backwards with all these bells and whistles ?

Forget supply issues ....
There was one of those parked 50 yards along three road from my house this morning. Stunning.

RKBerta

16 posts

53 months

Saturday 14th May
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Amazing engine choicer for the car but god awful proportions with that high rear end and spoiler. Certaily not anything close to a good looking car.

Zonda01

2 posts

6 months

Saturday 14th May
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porsche’s weird “we cannot accept your order as apart from a Carrera SC in ‘87, a 964 in ‘91 & a Boxster in 2003 you haven’t bought enough cars from us to deserve supplying you with one”????
Goodnight Stuttgart then.

ducmac

5 posts

62 months

Sunday 15th May
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Don’t really care that you can’t get one as they’re just for flippers, collectors, and people who want them to pose with. Can’t believe many will every be driven in anger. As well as that, it’s pig ugly!!

Give me a Lotus over the current Porsches any day of the week.