RE: Porsche 718 Spyder RS breaks cover
Discussion
myhandle said:
Rob.043 said:
Great to see.
I superb last hurrah for these engines possibly, but there must be a rule work around that will let some epic egines remain after 2030. These N/A RS cars are still with us when most other performance engines are turbo charged, surely at the cost of some CO2 tax. I can imagine the more mainstream models will suffer the electrification more thoroughly and there will still be petrol engine cars for sale which only need some nominal range from a gearbox mounted beefed up starter motor to qualify as a hybrid.... Managing then to do something more like the P1 did in bringing exciting performance from mild electrification. I keep meaning to read up on the relevant EU rules, but haven't
I think they can sell hybrids until 2035. Lamborghini and Ferrari have teamed up to try and get a low-volume exemption after then. I superb last hurrah for these engines possibly, but there must be a rule work around that will let some epic egines remain after 2030. These N/A RS cars are still with us when most other performance engines are turbo charged, surely at the cost of some CO2 tax. I can imagine the more mainstream models will suffer the electrification more thoroughly and there will still be petrol engine cars for sale which only need some nominal range from a gearbox mounted beefed up starter motor to qualify as a hybrid.... Managing then to do something more like the P1 did in bringing exciting performance from mild electrification. I keep meaning to read up on the relevant EU rules, but haven't
I like older cars too, and will be happy to drive stuff built up to 2035. What worries me more is E10 fuel being the thin end of a wedge. Already, my integrale and 60s BMW 2000CS can’t really run on E10 safely. E5 has now been redesignated Super even if it isn’t that high octane. Prices of it have gone up. So far, so bad. However say they introduce E15 or something as a standard fuel, and E5 becomes hard to find? This is the real problem for enthusiasts, I think. I guess I/ we will cross that bridge when we come to it.
esotericar said:
VR6 Eug said:
The Cayman will still be the better steer.
Not by much.With the 981/982 platform, the open car is pretty stiff. Prior generations, 987.1 and .2 (obviously there was no 986 Cayman), the coupe's extra stiffness made a big difference to how the car felt. But with the 981, the Boxster platform is so stiff, it's no longer much of an issue.
VR6 Eug said:
According to Porsche, the Cayman is 40% stiffer than the Boxster.
40% percent stiffer than what, is the key question. A relative figure that it meaningless on its own. The point is that the 981 is at the point in terms of stiffness that it's hard to subjectively feel the flex, unlike the 987. Adding more stiffness doesn't change that.So, where the 987 coupe felt stiffer, more together and sharper than the 987 roadster, that is less true if at all true for the 981.
esotericar said:
VR6 Eug said:
According to Porsche, the Cayman is 40% stiffer than the Boxster.
40% percent stiffer than what, is the key question. A relative figure that it meaningless on its own. The point is that the 981 is at the point in terms of stiffness that it's hard to subjectively feel the flex, unlike the 987. Adding more stiffness doesn't change that.So, where the 987 coupe felt stiffer, more together and sharper than the 987 roadster, that is less true if at all true for the 981.
VR6 Eug said:
esotericar said:
VR6 Eug said:
According to Porsche, the Cayman is 40% stiffer than the Boxster.
40% percent stiffer than what, is the key question. A relative figure that it meaningless on its own. The point is that the 981 is at the point in terms of stiffness that it's hard to subjectively feel the flex, unlike the 987. Adding more stiffness doesn't change that.So, where the 987 coupe felt stiffer, more together and sharper than the 987 roadster, that is less true if at all true for the 981.
No plans to ever track the Spyder again!
Still want an RS Spyder though
It’s not quite as simple as that.
The cayman suffers from carrying excess weight as it is based on the boxster platform which is designed to be an open top and has extra stiffening as a result.
By closing the roof and making the Cayman it does, indeed, have additional rigidity but I think we are clearly in the zone of diminishing returns. The boxster is stiff enough anyway.
The cayman suffers from carrying excess weight as it is based on the boxster platform which is designed to be an open top and has extra stiffening as a result.
By closing the roof and making the Cayman it does, indeed, have additional rigidity but I think we are clearly in the zone of diminishing returns. The boxster is stiff enough anyway.
Miserablegit said:
It’s not quite as simple as that.
The cayman suffers from carrying excess weight as it is based on the boxster platform which is designed to be an open top and has extra stiffening as a result.
By closing the roof and making the Cayman it does, indeed, have additional rigidity but I think we are clearly in the zone of diminishing returns. The boxster is stiff enough anyway.
The weight of the folding hood gear, is going to pretty much equal the weight of the sheet metal forming the roof of a Cayman, so I doubt there will be much in it, The cayman suffers from carrying excess weight as it is based on the boxster platform which is designed to be an open top and has extra stiffening as a result.
By closing the roof and making the Cayman it does, indeed, have additional rigidity but I think we are clearly in the zone of diminishing returns. The boxster is stiff enough anyway.
Has anyone got the `finished' weight of the 718, compared
to an equivalent Cayman?
ChrisW. said:
This is still the best IMHO ...
Fast enough, a true lightweight, hydraulic power steering and far more economical to run ...
Are Porsche going backwards with all these bells and whistles ?
Forget supply issues ....
There was one of those parked 50 yards along three road from my house this morning. Stunning. Fast enough, a true lightweight, hydraulic power steering and far more economical to run ...
Are Porsche going backwards with all these bells and whistles ?
Forget supply issues ....
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