RE: 'No frills' Prodrive P25 already sold out
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It does sound like a lot of money for something which is essentially just a brand new modified subaru.
How much would it cost to build it yourself? there doesn't seem to be anything or much which is revolutionary, its not a restomod as such either.
I don't know, just sounds a lot. I suppose though it will be well put together and reliable (although i cant see any of them used properly). Unlike a normal modified car thats constantly breaking stuff.
That said its a British company so good luck to them if they can get it.
How much would it cost to build it yourself? there doesn't seem to be anything or much which is revolutionary, its not a restomod as such either.
I don't know, just sounds a lot. I suppose though it will be well put together and reliable (although i cant see any of them used properly). Unlike a normal modified car thats constantly breaking stuff.
That said its a British company so good luck to them if they can get it.
MDMA . said:
Welcome to capitalism.
I doubt anyone who is wealthy enough to drop half a million pounds on one of these without giving it a second thought has acquired their immense fortune thanks to Free Market Capitalism... more likely they've got Corporatism to thank for being in the position they're in.Capitalism and Corporatism are two very different systems and I'm pretty sure which one we have now.
Surely the bubble on these type of cars will burst in a generation or two. They mean something to the 40-50 year old wealthy bloke who remembers the golden days. But none of the young lads in my office care about, or even know what it is. They don't know what a TT supra is, and they've only heard their dad mention one of those old super fast 200bhp (lol) cosworths. They certainly won't be paying £700-1m for it in 20 years time, unless it was purely as a sound investment. And it's only an investment if it's desirable. In a generation of people who want the new flying Tesla 100000x, I can't see there being much interest in these old classics.
0ddball said:
Surely the bubble on these type of cars will burst in a generation or two. They mean something to the 40-50 year old wealthy bloke who remembers the golden days. But none of the young lads in my office care about, or even know what it is. They don't know what a TT supra is, and they've only heard their dad mention one of those old super fast 200bhp (lol) cosworths. They certainly won't be paying £700-1m for it in 20 years time, unless it was purely as a sound investment. And it's only an investment if it's desirable. In a generation of people who want the new flying Tesla 100000x, I can't see there being much interest in these old classics.
Classic cars have always been a generational thing, it's just the current crop of in vogue and desirable classic cars from the 80's and 90's has coincided with the biggest cheap money fuelled asset price bubble the world has ever known, plus the scrappage scheme has probably led to lower numbers of cars from this particular time period. 0ddball said:
Surely the bubble on these type of cars will burst in a generation or two. They mean something to the 40-50 year old wealthy bloke who remembers the golden days. But none of the young lads in my office care about, or even know what it is. They don't know what a TT supra is, and they've only heard their dad mention one of those old super fast 200bhp (lol) cosworths. They certainly won't be paying £700-1m for it in 20 years time, unless it was purely as a sound investment. And it's only an investment if it's desirable. In a generation of people who want the new flying Tesla 100000x, I can't see there being much interest in these old classics.
If the opinions of the lads in your office are not wholly representative of the world's population of youngsters then I can't possibly imagine what would be.0ddball said:
Surely the bubble on these type of cars will burst in a generation or two. They mean something to the 40-50 year old wealthy bloke who remembers the golden days. But none of the young lads in my office care about, or even know what it is. They don't know what a TT supra is, and they've only heard their dad mention one of those old super fast 200bhp (lol) cosworths. They certainly won't be paying £700-1m for it in 20 years time, unless it was purely as a sound investment. And it's only an investment if it's desirable. In a generation of people who want the new flying Tesla 100000x, I can't see there being much interest in these old classics.
I'm sure there are a lot of variables to this discussion, but there are many cars that are older than a generation or two, which have gone for big money.Every fibre of my being should love this car BUT I just think it's ridiculous.
Genuinely don't understand why anyone would choose one of these over an original 22B (albeit the time taken waiting for one to come on sale).
The 22B is:
better looking (the P25 wheels look plain daft, too big, crap design, wrong colour)
sounds better (that classic Subaru warble appears to be gone - from the videos I've seen)
has a better interior (i like alcantara as much as the next bloke but this is just laughable. It's like the trimmer had nothing else to use)
is much cheaper
will be a much better financial investment (surely no matter how wealthy you are, you'd want to be looking after your £500K investment)
I won't even start of the manual vs auto subject.
End of story. I feel Prodrive has lost some of it's cred.
Genuinely don't understand why anyone would choose one of these over an original 22B (albeit the time taken waiting for one to come on sale).
The 22B is:
better looking (the P25 wheels look plain daft, too big, crap design, wrong colour)
sounds better (that classic Subaru warble appears to be gone - from the videos I've seen)
has a better interior (i like alcantara as much as the next bloke but this is just laughable. It's like the trimmer had nothing else to use)
is much cheaper
will be a much better financial investment (surely no matter how wealthy you are, you'd want to be looking after your £500K investment)
I won't even start of the manual vs auto subject.
End of story. I feel Prodrive has lost some of it's cred.
simundo777 said:
Every fibre of my being should love this car BUT I just think it's ridiculous.
Genuinely don't understand why anyone would choose one of these over an original 22B (albeit the time taken waiting for one to come on sale).
The 22B is:
better looking (the P25 wheels look plain daft, too big, crap design, wrong colour)
sounds better (that classic Subaru warble appears to be gone - from the videos I've seen)
has a better interior (i like alcantara as much as the next bloke but this is just laughable. It's like the trimmer had nothing else to use)
is much cheaper
will be a much better financial investment (surely no matter how wealthy you are, you'd want to be looking after your £500K investment)
I won't even start of the manual vs auto subject.
End of story. I feel Prodrive has lost some of it's cred.
Another poster failing to understand how the vehicle shown is a development mule, so you can pick your own colour, wheels, interior etc.Genuinely don't understand why anyone would choose one of these over an original 22B (albeit the time taken waiting for one to come on sale).
The 22B is:
better looking (the P25 wheels look plain daft, too big, crap design, wrong colour)
sounds better (that classic Subaru warble appears to be gone - from the videos I've seen)
has a better interior (i like alcantara as much as the next bloke but this is just laughable. It's like the trimmer had nothing else to use)
is much cheaper
will be a much better financial investment (surely no matter how wealthy you are, you'd want to be looking after your £500K investment)
I won't even start of the manual vs auto subject.
End of story. I feel Prodrive has lost some of it's cred.
You could probably ask for a bespoke manual/semi auto gearbox too if your pockets are deep enough.
Harrypop said:
0ddball said:
Surely the bubble on these type of cars will burst in a generation or two. They mean something to the 40-50 year old wealthy bloke who remembers the golden days. But none of the young lads in my office care about, or even know what it is. They don't know what a TT supra is, and they've only heard their dad mention one of those old super fast 200bhp (lol) cosworths. They certainly won't be paying £700-1m for it in 20 years time, unless it was purely as a sound investment. And it's only an investment if it's desirable. In a generation of people who want the new flying Tesla 100000x, I can't see there being much interest in these old classics.
If the opinions of the lads in your office are not wholly representative of the world's population of youngsters then I can't possibly imagine what would be.Classic cars are an acquired taste, as you get into the subject you move from just the obvious poster cars of your childhood to appreciating other vehicles you discover as your knowledge increases. Asking young people about cars to try to guess what will be valuable in the future is like asking a 6 year old about wine.
Take the 964-RS, it was not a critical success when it cam out, it was not on teenage boys bedroom walls (that was the 993 Turbo). It depreciated like a normal used car basically pegging its value against a new car of approximately equivalent performance until about 2004. Then the 993RS started going up in value as owners started comparing it favourable with the 996 GT3/RS and referencing it back to the original RS, it drew attention to the more hardcore 964-RS and it rapidly appreciated. The whole 993 model range started to trend up at which point the market started reevaluating the 964 realising that it had the classic 911 looks but day to day usability. Then it all went nuts and any pre-plastic bumper 911 started to trend up and up in value, you could get 1970's 911 for £8k 15 years ago it was a banger, now you can sell a restored one for £150-200k.
The Impreza was a bedroom wall car, the people who wanted one in the 90's are now middle aged and the cars are become rare enough that demand is exceeding supply. Even if no new people decide they like Impreza's the youngest people who have a real world first hand connection are probably about 25. Ergo there isn't going to be an issue with demand fading for about 50-60 years, and that assumes that preferences aren't passed on, there are plenty of classic sports cars which are now old enough that there are no people around who drove them in their prime which still command insane prices.
Serious question, has there ever been a classic sports car that has fallen out of favour due to changing tastes or its fan's dying off?
simundo777 said:
Every fibre of my being should love this car BUT I just think it's ridiculous.
Genuinely don't understand why anyone would choose one of these over an original 22B (albeit the time taken waiting for one to come on sale).
The 22B is:
better looking (the P25 wheels look plain daft, too big, crap design, wrong colour)
sounds better (that classic Subaru warble appears to be gone - from the videos I've seen)
has a better interior (i like alcantara as much as the next bloke but this is just laughable. It's like the trimmer had nothing else to use)
is much cheaper
will be a much better financial investment (surely no matter how wealthy you are, you'd want to be looking after your £500K investment)
I won't even start of the manual vs auto subject.
End of story. I feel Prodrive has lost some of it's cred.
I think you're rather missing the point of a bespoke restomod. Customers can spec the car to their liking, so most of what you're complaining about could be changed. David Lapworth has even said that some customers have asked about having a manual gearbox and that they're looking in to offering it.Genuinely don't understand why anyone would choose one of these over an original 22B (albeit the time taken waiting for one to come on sale).
The 22B is:
better looking (the P25 wheels look plain daft, too big, crap design, wrong colour)
sounds better (that classic Subaru warble appears to be gone - from the videos I've seen)
has a better interior (i like alcantara as much as the next bloke but this is just laughable. It's like the trimmer had nothing else to use)
is much cheaper
will be a much better financial investment (surely no matter how wealthy you are, you'd want to be looking after your £500K investment)
I won't even start of the manual vs auto subject.
End of story. I feel Prodrive has lost some of it's cred.
Jon_S_Rally said:
simundo777 said:
Every fibre of my being should love this car BUT I just think it's ridiculous.
Genuinely don't understand why anyone would choose one of these over an original 22B (albeit the time taken waiting for one to come on sale).
The 22B is:
better looking (the P25 wheels look plain daft, too big, crap design, wrong colour)
sounds better (that classic Subaru warble appears to be gone - from the videos I've seen)
has a better interior (i like alcantara as much as the next bloke but this is just laughable. It's like the trimmer had nothing else to use)
is much cheaper
will be a much better financial investment (surely no matter how wealthy you are, you'd want to be looking after your £500K investment)
I won't even start of the manual vs auto subject.
End of story. I feel Prodrive has lost some of it's cred.
I think you're rather missing the point of a bespoke restomod. Customers can spec the car to their liking, so most of what you're complaining about could be changed. David Lapworth has even said that some customers have asked about having a manual gearbox and that they're looking in to offering it.Genuinely don't understand why anyone would choose one of these over an original 22B (albeit the time taken waiting for one to come on sale).
The 22B is:
better looking (the P25 wheels look plain daft, too big, crap design, wrong colour)
sounds better (that classic Subaru warble appears to be gone - from the videos I've seen)
has a better interior (i like alcantara as much as the next bloke but this is just laughable. It's like the trimmer had nothing else to use)
is much cheaper
will be a much better financial investment (surely no matter how wealthy you are, you'd want to be looking after your £500K investment)
I won't even start of the manual vs auto subject.
End of story. I feel Prodrive has lost some of it's cred.
Even so the amount of hype around this car was HUGE so when Prodrive decided to bring one to Goodwood you'd have thought they would have considered all these points. This should be their flagship one so why show it with daft wheels and a crap interior.
Half a million for P25?? I understand it is something special but there are far more special hyper cars you can get for the money!! Lamborghini? Ferrari? McLaren? I lost few hair scratching my head ☹️ I was a proud owner of P1 not long ago.I sold it for £22000. This is peanuts comparing with P25 and yet P1 is almost similar.Seeing this I kind of regret parting with my P1.
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