RE: The best used electric cars to buy right now

RE: The best used electric cars to buy right now

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samoht

3,578 posts

126 months

Sunday 31st July
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This seems like a poorly considered list.

The biggest issue is believing 'official' claimed ranges. They're about as realistic as official mpg numbers, but more critical given the time required for a refuelling stop. In reality the cars cheaper than the Model 3 on this list are only going to be convenient for relatively local trips.

That leads to mistakes like omitting the E-Niro, one of the few affordable EVs with a decent range.

Elmariachi said:
Surprised the E-Niro doesn’t even get a mention - I’ve had one for a year and it’s been utterly brilliant. I’ve had 300 miles of range on one charge out of it, it’s practical, well equipped even as one of the lower spec models, relatively quick (0-60 in 7-something but feels quicker in use as most EVs do) and so easy to drive.
Ultimately this kind of shallow, spec-sheet driven EV content has little real value, as it doesn't really highlight good buys. It's a case of either do a job properly, or not at all. Harry Metcalfe is a good example of the former, he'll get an EV in and do a proper trip in it, telling viewers what it's like to drive and what range you can actually extract in real world driving.

GT9

2,994 posts

152 months

Sunday 31st July
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Wab1974uk said:
Even before I started reading this thread, I knew our local EV enthusiast would be posting.

Answer for everything.
Please point out which of my answers are incorrect?

I'm more of an macro-scale energy efficiency enthusiast btw.

I don't own or drive an EV.

Fastlane

803 posts

197 months

Sunday 31st July
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SidewaysSi said:
Probably because they drove some POS white goods car before in which case makes sense.
Why do you have to be so rude about EVs and those that drive them. Plenty of Atom owner's drive EVs, are you rude to them when you meet? Can't be very good for your business insulting your potential customers?


richterswil

833 posts

171 months

Sunday 31st July
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SidewaysSi said:
You would hate me. Which is a shame as I am fking amazing. smile
Love this!!

JonnyVTEC

2,571 posts

155 months

Sunday 31st July
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Demhcs said:
Can any of these do 400 miles on one charge like my petrol car does on one tank? No? Didn’t think so, switching to an EV is a backward step.
Dunno what car you have so your post lacks a significant amount of context to be considered as a contribution rather than a cliche?

richterswil

833 posts

171 months

Sunday 31st July
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stuart100 said:
Mate, this site is called Pistonheads. Pistons are in ICE. I think people are entitled to buy ICE if they want to.
100 per cent.

Just ordered a new (hybrid) RRS having tried both Taycan and IX and comparing a Taycan to a 911 doesn’t stack up (Panamera to Taycan I understand).

Had a 2014 Tesla Model S and it was worthy but dull.

wyson

686 posts

84 months

Sunday 31st July
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I'd worry about 2nd hand values long term, once the battery pack goes. As others have stated, it makes most sense to me to treat these cars as tech and lease new, short term.

I'd buy a second hand house or ICE car but never a second hand laptop or phone etc. Because the technology changes so quickly and batteries go bad within two or three years. With quality battery replacements being pretty expensive, the value proposition isn't there.

Edited by wyson on Sunday 31st July 11:05

PHuzzy

2,644 posts

152 months

Sunday 31st July
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JonnyVTEC said:
Demhcs said:
Can any of these do 400 miles on one charge like my petrol car does on one tank? No? Didn’t think so, switching to an EV is a backward step.
Dunno what car you have so your post lacks a significant amount of context to be considered as a contribution rather than a cliche?
It's a forward step from the 220-250 miles I get from a full tank in the Z4 or the Leon so it's definitely a cliché.
I'm looking forward to my EV being delivered, it'll save me a fortune.

Demhcs

194 posts

9 months

Sunday 31st July
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JonnyVTEC said:
Demhcs said:
Can any of these do 400 miles on one charge like my petrol car does on one tank? No? Didn’t think so, switching to an EV is a backward step.
Dunno what car you have so your post lacks a significant amount of context to be considered as a contribution rather than a cliche?
Cayman smile

Rolls-canardley

38 posts

4 months

Sunday 31st July
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ajap1979 said:
Haha, I think plenty might disagree with that! I’m not on a particularly cheap tariff, but it only costs me £11 to fully charge my Polestar, and that will see me get 200+ miles. At the moment, £55 in my up! GTI gets me 250 miles.
Well you may think differently in time to come.........if the Up engine is regularly serviced, bedded in after a few years and settled into its prime the Polestar’s batteries will have degraded somewhat and on the way out. The real long term costs to each vehicle then will become apparent, have you enquired as to cost of battery replacement, or the residual value of the vehicle needing replacement batteries?
Also when the MASSIVE tax revenues gained from fossil fuels collected by government start to decline, as people are forced to go “green” the powers to be will start to hit the fossil free powered options like you won’t believe!

Edited by Rolls-canardley on Sunday 31st July 11:15

cayman-black

11,469 posts

196 months

Sunday 31st July
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Well i,m bored to death looking at those things.

simon-tigjs

109 posts

77 months

Sunday 31st July
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Ive made this comment many times. i drive an i3 s ( way better than a regular i3, and not just its 0-60 time) but with the range extender
I am on electric 90% of the time, but when the bigger journeys arrive, then I always have get out of jail, for £10 a gallon card. The biggest issue i find is now EVs are gaining ground there's not enough chargers at crucial points, so i choose to slip another few litres in it and get on my way
But this was the trick BMW missed. Its always an electric car, with generator assist if you need it. 250 or 300 mile trips never phase me . if I get a charge then great. if I don't then I carry on We would be further up the path if more had followed the principle . Whoever said it was the first electric hot hatch wasn't wrong. It makes me smile on a regular basis and is a true piece of innovation in design , space, use of carbon fibre and recycled matting and very cheap to run..even with minor petrol support.

Wonderman

1,188 posts

175 months

Sunday 31st July
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DevonPaul said:
Didn't realise the Renault battery rental was so much.

Kind of takes the edge of the free VED.
Not all are on battery lease. But cost reflects usage: https://www.renaultgroup.com/en/news-on-air/news/a...

They have stopped the battery lease on new ones https://www.greencarfuture.com/electric/renault-zo...

fantheman80

706 posts

29 months

Sunday 31st July
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richterswil said:
SidewaysSi said:
You would hate me. Which is a shame as I am fking amazing. smile
Love this!!
Have another beer

Diderot

5,141 posts

172 months

Sunday 31st July
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Demhcs said:
Can any of these do 400 miles on one charge like my petrol car does on one tank? No? Didn’t think so, switching to an EV is a backward step.
My petrol car (Merc SL) does about 280 on a tank and recently cost me £121 to fill up. Our XC40 EV daily has 408 bhp, it can do about 260 on a full charge, and costs me about £8 or so every few weeks to charge (usually 20-90%) overnight. Also no tax, BIK is peanuts, Corp Tax savings for my Ltd etc make it a no-brainer.

For a daily, I’d never go back to an ICE. I much prefer the Volvo to our previous daily - X3 35d - Volvo is massively quicker, much smoother, much quieter, costs comparatively peanuts to run.

I was skeptical about BEVs for years - a mate is a Tesla fanboy - but once I tried a few I was a convert.

themule

55 posts

55 months

Sunday 31st July
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Biggest problem is the purchase cost for a new or 2nd hand electric car is too high for many people in this country. Even the cheapest is beyond what many people can afford (or can justify). When you can buy a decent ICE car for £5000 it is a big step up to move to electric. They are cheaper to run but you need to run it for years to break even. It's a similar argument to spending thousands to replace a gas boiler with a heat pump system or installing solar panels - ideally I want to do it but it doesn't make financial sense at the moment.
Having said this many people I know have stopped making none essential journeys now because of the cost of fuel.

KarlMac

3,456 posts

121 months

Sunday 31st July
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A biased vote for the Renault Zoe here. Our 52kwh Zoe is a fantastic commuter and great for taking the kids out at the weekend.

Dombilano

453 posts

35 months

Sunday 31st July
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Elmariachi said:
Those who annoy me the most are the ones who can afford to buy what they like and still choose a brand new Range Rover over a BMW iX, or a 911 over a Taycan. Appreciate some people do long miles but nobody NEEDS the ICE alternative of cars like those. Buy a hybrid.


Edited by Elmariachi on Sunday 31st July 07:36
Buy a hybrid, no. I do less than 5k miles a year, and still have free will, so as I still have a choice I will choose whatever vehicle I desire. Get annoyed by something else please.

Deerfoot

4,672 posts

164 months

Sunday 31st July
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I'd love a Honda e but you'd have to be crackers to part with £35,000 if there's a BMW i3s available for £10,000 less wouldn't you?

Toltec

6,972 posts

203 months

Sunday 31st July
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I'd quite like an EV as the next runaround, the Zoe is price comparable with what I might buy, however the battery rental is only a little less than we spend in petrol for that car and a replacement ICE would use less. The i3 is a much more interesting option, however the extra £10k over an ICE is a decade's worth of fuel.

One of the slightly older i3 at £20k might be on the cards, the convenience of not having to fill up with petrol and the whole purpose designed EV, carbon fibre platform does appeal.

There is nothing that can really replace my 5 series touring yet, the EV6 possibly, depends how the used prices go over the next five years.