RE: The best used electric cars to buy right now
Discussion
SidewaysSi said:
Probably because they drove some POS white goods car before in which case makes sense.
Why do you have to be so rude about EVs and those that drive them. Plenty of Atom owner's drive EVs, are you rude to them when you meet? Can't be very good for your business insulting your potential customers?
king amazing. Demhcs said:
Can any of these do 400 miles on one charge like my petrol car does on one tank? No? Didn’t think so, switching to an EV is a backward step.
Dunno what car you have so your post lacks a significant amount of context to be considered as a contribution rather than a cliche? stuart100 said:
Mate, this site is called Pistonheads. Pistons are in ICE. I think people are entitled to buy ICE if they want to.
100 per cent.Just ordered a new (hybrid) RRS having tried both Taycan and IX and comparing a Taycan to a 911 doesn’t stack up (Panamera to Taycan I understand).
Had a 2014 Tesla Model S and it was worthy but dull.
I'd worry about 2nd hand values long term, once the battery pack goes. As others have stated, it makes most sense to me to treat these cars as tech and lease new, short term.
I'd buy a second hand house or ICE car but never a second hand laptop or phone etc. Because the technology changes so quickly and batteries go bad within two or three years. With quality battery replacements being pretty expensive, the value proposition isn't there.
I'd buy a second hand house or ICE car but never a second hand laptop or phone etc. Because the technology changes so quickly and batteries go bad within two or three years. With quality battery replacements being pretty expensive, the value proposition isn't there.
Edited by wyson on Sunday 31st July 11:05
JonnyVTEC said:
Demhcs said:
Can any of these do 400 miles on one charge like my petrol car does on one tank? No? Didn’t think so, switching to an EV is a backward step.
Dunno what car you have so your post lacks a significant amount of context to be considered as a contribution rather than a cliche? I'm looking forward to my EV being delivered, it'll save me a fortune.
JonnyVTEC said:
Demhcs said:
Can any of these do 400 miles on one charge like my petrol car does on one tank? No? Didn’t think so, switching to an EV is a backward step.
Dunno what car you have so your post lacks a significant amount of context to be considered as a contribution rather than a cliche? 
ajap1979 said:
Haha, I think plenty might disagree with that! I’m not on a particularly cheap tariff, but it only costs me £11 to fully charge my Polestar, and that will see me get 200+ miles. At the moment, £55 in my up! GTI gets me 250 miles.
Well you may think differently in time to come.........if the Up engine is regularly serviced, bedded in after a few years and settled into its prime the Polestar’s batteries will have degraded somewhat and on the way out. The real long term costs to each vehicle then will become apparent, have you enquired as to cost of battery replacement, or the residual value of the vehicle needing replacement batteries?Also when the MASSIVE tax revenues gained from fossil fuels collected by government start to decline, as people are forced to go “green” the powers to be will start to hit the fossil free powered options like you won’t believe!
Edited by Rolls-canardley on Sunday 31st July 11:15
Ive made this comment many times. i drive an i3 s ( way better than a regular i3, and not just its 0-60 time) but with the range extender
I am on electric 90% of the time, but when the bigger journeys arrive, then I always have get out of jail, for £10 a gallon card. The biggest issue i find is now EVs are gaining ground there's not enough chargers at crucial points, so i choose to slip another few litres in it and get on my way
But this was the trick BMW missed. Its always an electric car, with generator assist if you need it. 250 or 300 mile trips never phase me . if I get a charge then great. if I don't then I carry on We would be further up the path if more had followed the principle . Whoever said it was the first electric hot hatch wasn't wrong. It makes me smile on a regular basis and is a true piece of innovation in design , space, use of carbon fibre and recycled matting and very cheap to run..even with minor petrol support.
I am on electric 90% of the time, but when the bigger journeys arrive, then I always have get out of jail, for £10 a gallon card. The biggest issue i find is now EVs are gaining ground there's not enough chargers at crucial points, so i choose to slip another few litres in it and get on my way
But this was the trick BMW missed. Its always an electric car, with generator assist if you need it. 250 or 300 mile trips never phase me . if I get a charge then great. if I don't then I carry on We would be further up the path if more had followed the principle . Whoever said it was the first electric hot hatch wasn't wrong. It makes me smile on a regular basis and is a true piece of innovation in design , space, use of carbon fibre and recycled matting and very cheap to run..even with minor petrol support.
DevonPaul said:
Didn't realise the Renault battery rental was so much.
Kind of takes the edge of the free VED.
Not all are on battery lease. But cost reflects usage: https://www.renaultgroup.com/en/news-on-air/news/a...Kind of takes the edge of the free VED.
They have stopped the battery lease on new ones https://www.greencarfuture.com/electric/renault-zo...
Demhcs said:
Can any of these do 400 miles on one charge like my petrol car does on one tank? No? Didn’t think so, switching to an EV is a backward step.
My petrol car (Merc SL) does about 280 on a tank and recently cost me £121 to fill up. Our XC40 EV daily has 408 bhp, it can do about 260 on a full charge, and costs me about £8 or so every few weeks to charge (usually 20-90%) overnight. Also no tax, BIK is peanuts, Corp Tax savings for my Ltd etc make it a no-brainer. For a daily, I’d never go back to an ICE. I much prefer the Volvo to our previous daily - X3 35d - Volvo is massively quicker, much smoother, much quieter, costs comparatively peanuts to run.
I was skeptical about BEVs for years - a mate is a Tesla fanboy - but once I tried a few I was a convert.
Biggest problem is the purchase cost for a new or 2nd hand electric car is too high for many people in this country. Even the cheapest is beyond what many people can afford (or can justify). When you can buy a decent ICE car for £5000 it is a big step up to move to electric. They are cheaper to run but you need to run it for years to break even. It's a similar argument to spending thousands to replace a gas boiler with a heat pump system or installing solar panels - ideally I want to do it but it doesn't make financial sense at the moment.
Having said this many people I know have stopped making none essential journeys now because of the cost of fuel.
Having said this many people I know have stopped making none essential journeys now because of the cost of fuel.
Elmariachi said:
Those who annoy me the most are the ones who can afford to buy what they like and still choose a brand new Range Rover over a BMW iX, or a 911 over a Taycan. Appreciate some people do long miles but nobody NEEDS the ICE alternative of cars like those. Buy a hybrid.
Buy a hybrid, no. I do less than 5k miles a year, and still have free will, so as I still have a choice I will choose whatever vehicle I desire. Get annoyed by something else please.Edited by Elmariachi on Sunday 31st July 07:36
I'd quite like an EV as the next runaround, the Zoe is price comparable with what I might buy, however the battery rental is only a little less than we spend in petrol for that car and a replacement ICE would use less. The i3 is a much more interesting option, however the extra £10k over an ICE is a decade's worth of fuel.
One of the slightly older i3 at £20k might be on the cards, the convenience of not having to fill up with petrol and the whole purpose designed EV, carbon fibre platform does appeal.
There is nothing that can really replace my 5 series touring yet, the EV6 possibly, depends how the used prices go over the next five years.
One of the slightly older i3 at £20k might be on the cards, the convenience of not having to fill up with petrol and the whole purpose designed EV, carbon fibre platform does appeal.
There is nothing that can really replace my 5 series touring yet, the EV6 possibly, depends how the used prices go over the next five years.
Rolls-canardley said:
ajap1979 said:
Haha, I think plenty might disagree with that! I’m not on a particularly cheap tariff, but it only costs me £11 to fully charge my Polestar, and that will see me get 200+ miles. At the moment, £55 in my up! GTI gets me 250 miles.
Well you may think differently in time to come.........if the Up engine is regularly serviced, bedded in after a few years and settled into its prime the Polestar’s batteries will have degraded somewhat and on the way out. The real long term costs to each vehicle then will become apparent, have you enquired as to cost of battery replacement, or the residual value of the vehicle needing replacement batteries?Also when the MASSIVE tax revenues gained from fossil fuels collected by government start to decline, as people are forced to go “green” the powers to be will start to hit the fossil free powered options like you won’t believe!
Edited by Rolls-canardley on Sunday 31st July 11:15
We briefly looked at BMW i3s to replace our S3 for other halfs commute
Actually grew to quite like them, on paper they seem great with enough go to be interesting, looks are a bit out there and from what I read are quite fun to drive.
Unfortunately the math just doesn't work out and it would end up costing more to get the i3 than to keep running the S3.
Actually grew to quite like them, on paper they seem great with enough go to be interesting, looks are a bit out there and from what I read are quite fun to drive.
Unfortunately the math just doesn't work out and it would end up costing more to get the i3 than to keep running the S3.
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