RE: 2022 Nissan Ariya | PH Review

[wyson]

Really interested in this (or was until my bills went ballistic). I think second best to Tesla Model Y as a brainless drive for town and mainly short journeys that can swallow a young families gubbins.

Because of Nissan’s track record with the Leaf, I figure it might be more polished than other offerings.

All the early electric offerings from other manufacturers seem to be having teething problems galore.

Toyota’s BxRz2xy or whatever its called has been recalled and they are offering money back to early customers in the States because of wheel hub issues.

Hyundai and Kia offerings recalled because of battery pack issues.

VAG group cars suffer from Infotainment problems. A guy with an early Audi etron catalogued its problems on a youtube channel… it was like a Rover from the 70’s. So many glitches and leaks.

[cerb4.5lee]

raspy said:

Then they complain that EVs are crap and that they feel cheated by the dealer/manufacturer.

It could be worse...because I think that EVs are crap and I've never even sat in one!

They just don't make all that much sense to me at the moment. Maybe one day perhaps? Currently for me they seem miles too expensive for what they offer as a package, plus the range they offer seems to be a finger in the wind approach to me.

Granted I'm a dinosaur though, so I automatically have a biased towards the older/proven way of doing it with an ICE.

[Harry Flashman]

cerb4.5lee said:

It could be worse...because I think that EVs are crap and I've never even sat in one!

They just don't make all that much sense to me at the moment. Maybe one day perhaps? Currently for me they seem miles too expensive for what they offer as a package, plus the range they offer seems to be a finger in the wind approach to me.

Granted I'm a dinosaur though, so I automatically have a biased towards the older/proven way of doing it with an ICE.

This was partially my point. It depends on use case. In a congested town, if you have at home charging, they are the best car solution for many with families at this time.

Zero warm up time. Zero emissions. Very low fuelling cost. Zero tax cost. Driveable in both ULEZ and Congestion Charge zones. Cheap servicing. Can sit in the car when stationary heated or cooled with zero emissions. Drivetrain perfectly suited to city driving with true one pedal operation and high torque at low speeds.

I am bewildered at the anti-EV brigade. These vehicles are just a different mode of transport, and in some circumstances vastly superior to an ICE shopping trolley. I don't get why PHers are so partisan about them.

Sure, on a morning blat out to Goodwood, I'll take a V8. But for driving the kids around London when they are small so cannot yet cycle, and are a ballache to manage with their kit on public transport, or it's raining/freezing/35C outside and id rather use a car to get around the city? The Nissan wins, every time.

Edited by Harry Flashman on Monday 8th August 13:03

[wyson]

I’ll add that in Central London you get ridiculously cheap onstreet parking too. In Westminster, you pay for 10mins and can park there for the duration of allowed hours, eg. 90mins. Can be almost £8 an hour if you have a dirty diesel.

[Sulphur Man]

cerb4.5lee said:

It could be worse...because I think that EVs are crap and I've never even sat in one!

They just don't make all that much sense to me at the moment. Maybe one day perhaps? Currently for me they seem miles too expensive for what they offer as a package, plus the range they offer seems to be a finger in the wind approach to me.

Granted I'm a dinosaur though, so I automatically have a biased towards the older/proven way of doing it with an ICE.

Your view is a very common one. That's why PHEVs are becoming better and more viable than EVs. Most people recognise that their car usage falls under 30mile journeys the majority of the time, and that the engine in a PHEV is there for the long haul occasions. There is a still a premium for a PHEV over an EV, but its smaller than EV premiums.

Of course, all this depends on convenience of charging, which is an immediate blocker for millions of driveway-less households.

A PHEV, with 30 mile range, AND an owner removal battery, to charge elsewhere, (ie. indoors). Could that be possible one day?

[Gweeds]

Nearly 50k. Jeepers.

[Electric Blue]

I wish Cargurus would respect the origins and purpose of this site, rather than foisting this irrelevant crap onto the readers. This car should be wholly irrelevant to the average PHer.

[Clivey]

raspy said:

EQE/EQS are available to test drive (and buy) right now. EQS is pretty sleek at 0.20 drag coefficient.

They might be aerodynamic but they lack the elegance to be sleek. They even resemble the bottom-rung repmobile that is the original Hyundai Ioniq.




The E-Tron GT, Model S and Taycan are all much better proportioned but they're in the minority and are all extremely expensive.

[LuS1fer]

Clivey said:

They might be aerodynamic but they lack the elegance to be sleek. They even resemble the bottom-rung repmobile that is the original Hyundai Ioniq.




The E-Tron GT, Model S and Taycan are all much better proportioned but they're in the minority and are all extremely expensive.

Cd figures are less important than CdA which takes into account the frontal area.
Important when many EVs are so bloody huge.

So an old Honda Insight was 0.25 and the CdA was 5.00, a Prius is about 0.25 and the CdA is 5.84, the last Leaf was 0.28 and had a CdA of 6.94

[ajap1979]

Electric Blue said:

I wish Cargurus would respect the origins and purpose of this site, rather than foisting this irrelevant crap onto the readers. This car should be wholly irrelevant to the average PHer.

Yep, brilliant business model. Live in the past, ignore the future. I can see that working perfectly.

[Electric Blue]

ajap1979 said:

Electric Blue said:

I wish Cargurus would respect the origins and purpose of this site, rather than foisting this irrelevant crap onto the readers. This car should be wholly irrelevant to the average PHer.

Yep, brilliant business model. Live in the past, ignore the future. I can see that working perfectly.

A Nissan crossover is not the future for a typical PHer.

[Clivey]

LuS1fer said:

Cd figures are less important than CdA which takes into account the frontal area.
Important when many EVs are so bloody huge.

So an old Honda Insight was 0.25 and the CdA was 5.00, a Prius is about 0.25 and the CdA is 5.84, the last Leaf was 0.28 and had a CdA of 6.94

Oh, I'm well aware. I was just pointing-out that it takes more than a low Cd figure to make a car "sleek". Maybe I should have said "sleek and stylish"...because the EQ blobs certainly aren't the latter!

[ajap1979]

Electric Blue said:

ajap1979 said:

Electric Blue said:

I wish Cargurus would respect the origins and purpose of this site, rather than foisting this irrelevant crap onto the readers. This car should be wholly irrelevant to the average PHer.

Yep, brilliant business model. Live in the past, ignore the future. I can see that working perfectly.

A Nissan crossover is not the future for a typical PHer.

A typical PHer? I think you're probably forgetting that PH doesn't exist to cater for forum users. There will be a vast number of people who see it as a motoring website and venture nowhere near the discussion boards. In fact, I know loads of people that visit to read new car reviews and news and very likely don't even know the forum side of things exists, let alone the history of the site.

[Killer2005]

I suspect I might have seen one of these being filmed in San Francisco back in June. Roof is slightly different but the rest of it looks similar.

[Electric Blue]

ajap1979 said:

Electric Blue said:

ajap1979 said:

Electric Blue said:

I wish Cargurus would respect the origins and purpose of this site, rather than foisting this irrelevant crap onto the readers. This car should be wholly irrelevant to the average PHer.

Yep, brilliant business model. Live in the past, ignore the future. I can see that working perfectly.

A Nissan crossover is not the future for a typical PHer.

A typical PHer? I think you're probably forgetting that PH doesn't exist to cater for forum users. There will be a vast number of people who see it as a motoring website and venture nowhere near the discussion boards. In fact, I know loads of people that visit to read new car reviews and news and very likely don't even know the forum side of things exists, let alone the history of the site.

I don't think the point I am making is particularly complicated - this forum has historically been targeted at performance car enthusiasts, beginning of course with TVRs. I am saying it is a shame that, in having been bought by a large corporation, its content is being broadened to appeal to as many people as possible. This approach differs to the previous owner, which was of course another large corporation, but at least one that respected the origins of the site (and yet the site still grew in this time).

I say that it is a shame that this is happening.

I understand that you say that this is just the realities of business, and it is their right to do what they want with the site.

I say in response that this is of course their right and their prerogative, but nonetheless, it remains a shame.

[samoht]

Electric Blue said:

I don't think the point I am making is particularly complicated - this forum has historically been targeted at performance car enthusiasts, beginning of course with TVRs. I am saying it is a shame that, in having been bought by a large corporation, its content is being broadened to appeal to as many people as possible. This approach differs to the previous owner, which was of course another large corporation, but at least one that respected the origins of the site (and yet the site still grew in this time).

I say that it is a shame that this is happening.

I understand you feel the essence of PH is being diluted with content about non-enthusiast cars. However, surely almost the entire history of PH is a story of a TVR enthusiasts' site progressively and gradually becoming broader in focus? Why is EVs the right point to stop, why not say no hybrids, no SUVs, or no vans, or no estate cars, or only sports cars, or only British sports cars? I don't see why this specific line is one you feel is such a shame to cross.

[LuS1fer]

Given there are sub-sections of the forums geared to specific audiences, French, Classic et, surely a sub-forum for EV/Hybrids might be appropriate but then nobody has to click a topic anyway.

[Silvanus]

samoht said:

ajap1979 said:

Baldchap said:

Sure about that? Tesla sold 930,000 Model 3s last year alone.

Indeed. They’ve sold 600k MYs, and that’s only been out a short time.

Yeah, was the Leaf until 2020 but Model 3 has taken over since.

Wikipedia said:

The Leaf listed as the world's all-time top selling plug-in electric car through December 2019. The Tesla Model 3 surpassed the Leaf in early 2020 to become the all-time best selling electric car.

Think the new MG EVs all outsell the leaf now too, guess the leaf was such a good seller to start with as it had the market to itself.

[cerb4.5lee]

samoht said:

Electric Blue said:

I don't think the point I am making is particularly complicated - this forum has historically been targeted at performance car enthusiasts, beginning of course with TVRs. I am saying it is a shame that, in having been bought by a large corporation, its content is being broadened to appeal to as many people as possible. This approach differs to the previous owner, which was of course another large corporation, but at least one that respected the origins of the site (and yet the site still grew in this time).

I say that it is a shame that this is happening.

I understand you feel the essence of PH is being diluted with content about non-enthusiast cars. However, surely almost the entire history of PH is a story of a TVR enthusiasts' site progressively and gradually becoming broader in focus? Why is EVs the right point to stop, why not say no hybrids, no SUVs, or no vans, or no estate cars, or only sports cars, or only British sports cars? I don't see why this specific line is one you feel is such a shame to cross.

It is a difficult one, but I'm definitely in the same camp as Electric Blue. I'm a massive fan of performance cars, yet we have a car being featured here with a top speed of only a 100mph. It is crazy how much this website has changed over the years I reckon, and I personally find it really sad.

We'll probably get a feature on a caravan next! Times change for sure, but I can't say that I'm finding it easy though.

[essayer]

eein said:

Yet another article about EVs that gets all obsessed with telling us the charging in KW and battery capacity in KWh. When will motoring journalists wake up and realise that alongside range the most useful bit of info is max charging speed expressed in mph - ie how long do I need to wait until I get x miles of range? The vast majority of readers haven't got the faintest clue what battery capacity and charging rates mean.

I don’t really think raw numbers matter any more. Rule of thumb: For new motorway charging sites (Gridserve etc) and most current gen EVs, 20-25 minutes gets you to 80% battery.