RE: Caterham launches new Super Seven 600 and 2000

RE: Caterham launches new Super Seven 600 and 2000

Wednesday 21st September

Caterham launches new Super Seven 600 and 2000

The 660cc and 2.0-litre Sevens get a retro overhaul, priced from £30k


The old-school yet brand-new Caterham Seven is nothing new nowadays. We’ve had both the Sprint and Super Sprint, with the 660cc engine, which sold out very quickly, as well as the brilliant little Super 1600 with the Sigma 1.6. Now the retro Seven is back (again), with new Super 600 and Super 2000 models.  

The 2000 is of most interest here, as it's the first time the retro look has been paired with proper performance. Based on the Seven 360, it has the 2.0-litre Ford Duratec with 180hp, meaning 0-62mph in 4.8 seconds and 130mph. It makes for a riotous experience in a regular Seven, so there’s little reason for that to change now it’s painted brown.  

Unsurprisingly given the success of previous retro-themed models, the Super 2000 doesn’t meddle with a proven formula underneath - the focus is on a cosmetic refresh. So it can be uprated with the sports suspension, better brakes and wider chassis offered to 360 buyers, but the more important choices will surely be between Bourbon, Ashdown Green, Windsor Blue or Fawn paint, as well as Deep Red, Cream, Birch White, Burgundy, Ginger, Admirability Blue or Biscuit Beige for the interior. Even the 14-inch wheel colour can be chosen, including gold, body coloured or, actually, any colour you want, all with a diamond cut lip. Both 600 and 2000 come with the flared front wings seen on previous Sprint models, chrome filler cap, Avon ZT7 tyres and a Moto-Lita wheel. A limited-slip diff is also on the options list. 

The Super 600 is powered by the familiar 660cc Suzuki turbo triple with 84hp, meaning a more leisurely (by Caterham standards) 6.9-second sprint to 62mph and 105mph flat out. “Super Seven 600 is an accessible, pure, simple, driving experience but at a lower speed”, says Caterham. That’s in obvious contrast to the 2000, although the 600 has the same standard equipment and an identical array of colour and trim options as well, meaning it and the 2000 can look pretty similar. Needless to say, the gulf in power output will ensure very different driving experiences, especially with the 2.0-litre car’s De Dion suspension (the 600 still gets the rear live axle).  

New Caterham CEO Bob Laishley said of the new models: “We’ve taken what was great about Sevens of yesteryear, the design, look and feel, and reimagined them for today… Super Seven 600 and Super Seven 2000 will offer two very distinct driving experiences, appealing to a wide range of driving enthusiasts who want a taste of a modern Seven but with the charm and retro-styling of our vehicles from the 70s and 80s.”  

Shame they don’t have retro pricing as well. The three-cylinder car costs £29,990 as a kit; the four-cylinder from £39,990. Bear in mind that a factory build adds £2,595 to the price of a Caterham, and that the larger chassis is £2,500 and the brake upgrade is £800 for a regular 360, and it’s easy to see how the new models could get really pricey. Still, that hasn’t impacted their popularity in the past, so why would it now? It isn’t hard to see the appeal, especially with the big power now on offer with the pricier option. Both models are on sale now, ahead of Caterham celebrating 50 years of business in 2023. Wonder what they’ll come up with for that anniversary…  


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borat52

Original Poster:

485 posts

189 months

Wednesday 21st September
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I do love a simple dash, that interior is a really nice job imho.

aestivator

117 posts

11 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Oh goodness, that is a lovely looking thing.

I expect there will be a cacophony of complaints about the price, but by all accounts Caterham simply can't build them fast enough at the moment, so I don't expect they care.

yellow elan

36 posts

52 months

Wednesday 21st September
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i want one

FA57REN

980 posts

36 months

Wednesday 21st September
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aestivator said:
I expect there will be a cacophony of complaints about the price, but by all accounts Caterham simply can't build them fast enough at the moment, so I don't expect they care.
What would a Lotus Seven kit cost today, adjusted solely for inflation?




munk

228 posts

180 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Yes please, a 600 for me please!

napoleondynamite

70 posts

111 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Catherhams aren't normally my bag - but that looks lovely!

Adoddle

4 posts

86 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Saw the bronze car in the flesh at Goodwood Revival this weekend, lovely thing. Couldn't imagine a better car for a summer pub trip.

big_rob_sydney

3,095 posts

175 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Ridiculous price for a very simplistic vehicle. Look at the cheapest new cars on sale in the UK according to google:

Citroen Ami list price from £7,695
Kia Picanto list price from £11,810
MG 3 list price from £12,995
Hyundai i10 list price from £13,430
Dacia Sandero list price from £13,595
Fiat Panda list price from £13,665


These cars are obviously not competitors in terms of what they offer. However, if you look at the manufacturing and materials cost, these cars all have full canopies, air con, and integrated systems like in car entertainment, and so on. The Caterham simply has less of everything, so it should actually cost less in materials cost, and given it is a simplistic car to build, should be cheap. When you compare its minimal list of features to a fully featured car, that fact it costs so much more is just ridiculous.

Chubbyross

3,764 posts

66 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Having just jumped ship from a 911 Turbo to a 420R I can honestly say I’ve never driven a car that excites me as much as a Caterham. Are they expensive? Yes, in comparison to a bog-standard hatchback. But in comparison to many supercars out there that I suspect wouldn’t bring the senses alive like one of these I’d say they are fabulous value for money. If you’ve never driven one I recommend hiring one for a weekend and giving it a go. You’ll be hooked.

5lab

1,525 posts

177 months

Wednesday 21st September
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they really need to pick up an engine to fill in the gap in their range between the 600cc engine and the 2l. There were rumours it'd be the 1.5 mx5 lump but I haven't seen anything more about it

parabolica

6,130 posts

165 months

Wednesday 21st September
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big_rob_sydney said:
Ridiculous price for a very simplistic vehicle. Look at the cheapest new cars on sale in the UK according to google:

Citroen Ami list price from £7,695
Kia Picanto list price from £11,810
MG 3 list price from £12,995
Hyundai i10 list price from £13,430
Dacia Sandero list price from £13,595
Fiat Panda list price from £13,665


These cars are obviously not competitors in terms of what they offer. However, if you look at the manufacturing and materials cost, these cars all have full canopies, air con, and integrated systems like in car entertainment, and so on. The Caterham simply has less of everything, so it should actually cost less in materials cost, and given it is a simplistic car to build, should be cheap. When you compare its minimal list of features to a fully featured car, that fact it costs so much more is just ridiculous.
Ok now do the same but list 2-seat sports cars instead.

Quite why you think Caterham should price their car based on how much equipment and practicality it lacks in comparison to mass produced, a-to-b transport from conglomerate car companies is lost on me. It's not like Caterham are the first to charge more for less.

gareth h

2,983 posts

211 months

Wednesday 21st September
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I saw these at The Revival, the brown Duratec car looked wonderful and left me wondering how I could retro my soon to be delivered CSR

biggbn

15,116 posts

201 months

Wednesday 21st September
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600 please, motoring perfection

rewild

2,708 posts

120 months

Wednesday 21st September
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big_rob_sydney said:
Ridiculous price for a very simplistic vehicle. Look at the cheapest new cars on sale in the UK according to google:

Citroen Ami list price from £7,695
Kia Picanto list price from £11,810
MG 3 list price from £12,995
Hyundai i10 list price from £13,430
Dacia Sandero list price from £13,595
Fiat Panda list price from £13,665


These cars are obviously not competitors in terms of what they offer. However, if you look at the manufacturing and materials cost, these cars all have full canopies, air con, and integrated systems like in car entertainment, and so on. The Caterham simply has less of everything, so it should actually cost less in materials cost, and given it is a simplistic car to build, should be cheap. When you compare its minimal list of features to a fully featured car, that fact it costs so much more is just ridiculous.
How much would a Fiat Panda cost if each one was hand-built instead of churned out in vast numbers on a robotised production line?

Maybe somebody should write to Fiat and point out that they should be charging more than Caterham, and they're missing a trick.

MKnight702

2,855 posts

195 months

Wednesday 21st September
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I love the retro look.

However, the SV versions just look wrong to me.

Glenn63

2,008 posts

65 months

Wednesday 21st September
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big_rob_sydney said:
Ridiculous price for a very simplistic vehicle. Look at the cheapest new cars on sale in the UK according to google:

Citroen Ami list price from £7,695
Kia Picanto list price from £11,810
MG 3 list price from £12,995
Hyundai i10 list price from £13,430
Dacia Sandero list price from £13,595
Fiat Panda list price from £13,665


These cars are obviously not competitors in terms of what they offer. However, if you look at the manufacturing and materials cost, these cars all have full canopies, air con, and integrated systems like in car entertainment, and so on. The Caterham simply has less of everything, so it should actually cost less in materials cost, and given it is a simplistic car to build, should be cheap. When you compare its minimal list of features to a fully featured car, that fact it costs so much more is just ridiculous.
But those are cars for people who have zero interest in driving/given up on life. You buy a caterham for the thrill and love of driving not Bluetooth connectivity.

5lab

1,525 posts

177 months

Wednesday 21st September
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parabolica said:
Ok now do the same but list 2-seat sports cars instead.

Quite why you think Caterham should price their car based on how much equipment and practicality it lacks in comparison to mass produced, a-to-b transport from conglomerate car companies is lost on me. It's not like Caterham are the first to charge more for less.
not suggesting these should be panda-priced, however the 2l car is £8k more than a caterham with the same engine in and without the fancy wheel arches. That does seem like its taking the pee a bit (especially when the price hike on the smaller engine is "only" £5k)

spikyone

1,008 posts

81 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Looks absolutely lovely, even in a colour that's essentially "brown". Sod the price, I can't imagine there are too many cars at any price point that could touch it for engagement and fun.

Bobby Lee

175 posts

36 months

Wednesday 21st September
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5lab said:
parabolica said:
Ok now do the same but list 2-seat sports cars instead.

Quite why you think Caterham should price their car based on how much equipment and practicality it lacks in comparison to mass produced, a-to-b transport from conglomerate car companies is lost on me. It's not like Caterham are the first to charge more for less.
not suggesting these should be panda-priced, however the 2l car is £8k more than a caterham with the same engine in and without the fancy wheel arches. That does seem like its taking the pee a bit (especially when the price hike on the smaller engine is "only" £5k)
Caterham are made by hand in the UK where labour costs are higher. They don’t have a massive factory in Asia where they can realise huge economies of scale and/or exploit workers. And frankly they have a much better product than the others mentioned.

......

6,477 posts

130 months

Wednesday 21st September
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parabolica said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Ridiculous price for a very simplistic vehicle. Look at the cheapest new cars on sale in the UK according to google:

Citroen Ami list price from £7,695
Kia Picanto list price from £11,810
MG 3 list price from £12,995
Hyundai i10 list price from £13,430
Dacia Sandero list price from £13,595
Fiat Panda list price from £13,665


These cars are obviously not competitors in terms of what they offer. However, if you look at the manufacturing and materials cost, these cars all have full canopies, air con, and integrated systems like in car entertainment, and so on. The Caterham simply has less of everything, so it should actually cost less in materials cost, and given it is a simplistic car to build, should be cheap. When you compare its minimal list of features to a fully featured car, that fact it costs so much more is just ridiculous.
Ok now do the same but list 2-seat sports cars instead.

Quite why you think Caterham should price their car based on how much equipment and practicality it lacks in comparison to mass produced, a-to-b transport from conglomerate car companies is lost on me. It's not like Caterham are the first to charge more for less.
Well, Caterham sold 670 cars last year (which is their highest ever; almost a third more than pre-covid) and they employ 81 people. Assuming average UK wage each means £4k per car in wages alone. Work out all the economies of scale that favour cars being produced in the millions like the major manufacturers do and that easily halves the cost to build cars the way Caterham does.