RE: New 2.0-litre Mercedes-AMG C63 officially unveiled

RE: New 2.0-litre Mercedes-AMG C63 officially unveiled

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Robmarriott

2,369 posts

139 months

Wednesday 21st September
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romac said:
article said:
might this be the first 2.0-litre car in history capable of 200mph
Sorry, Koenigsegg have beaten them to it with the Gemera. smokin
Have they? I don’t think they’ve actually finished one yet.

cb31

949 posts

117 months

Wednesday 21st September
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It's a no from me, the c63 is based around a v8, not a fart sounding 4-pot with far too much bhp.

Chestrockwell

2,533 posts

138 months

Wednesday 21st September
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In my opinion, they should have just gone full electric!

The only positive of a 2.0 engine in the front would be the weight saving but that’s outweighed (pun not intended) by extra weight of the batteries.

Putting a 2.0 engine in a C63 with electric batteries to make it faster is a bit like



Only kissing another woman when you have a girlfriend/wife instead of having s*x with her, if you’re going to cheat on her, you may as well go all the way

MrGeoff

462 posts

153 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Numeric said:
Jonny_ said:
Technically it's very impressive. 476bhp from a 2 litre four is no mean feat, and selling them with a full manufacturers warranty even more so.

Interesting that the battery can only supply the full 150kW (200hp) for 10 secs at a time... So it's only 680bhp in brief bursts. Probably bloody handy for overtaking mind!

Not convinced that it'll be as successful without the muscle car soundtrack though.
When it comes to overtaking, might you pull out thinking you have the space then find you don't have all the power you expected? That might be interesting!
476bhp should be enough though, surely?

Wonderman

1,348 posts

176 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Chestrockwell said:
In my opinion, they should have just gone full electric!

The only positive of a 2.0 engine in the front would be the weight saving but that’s outweighed (pun not intended) by extra weight of the batteries.

Putting a 2.0 engine in a C63 with electric batteries to make it faster is a bit like only kissing another woman when you have a girlfriend/wife instead of having s*x with her, if you’re going to cheat on her, you may as well go all the way
I can see the advert now, right up there with original Golf GTi one...that or a Swiss Tony sketch...

Roger Irrelevant

2,260 posts

94 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Well I'd couldn't really give a monkey's about the lack of a V8 - it's a nigh-on 700hp medium(ish)-sized estate car that makes 240hp per litre from the ICE bit. It is insane, and brilliant, and I'd love one.

Ninja59

2,800 posts

93 months

Wednesday 21st September
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MrGeoff said:
476bhp should be enough though, surely?
I don't think anyone is denying that, but when suddenly a lot of performance disappears that might not be welcome.

Dombilano

510 posts

36 months

Wednesday 21st September
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My head hurts thinking about 8 driving modes.

Mercedes have clearly thrown the kitchen sink at this, technologically speaking, I just wonder if it's too much. That hp/litre figure is scary

Ninja59

2,800 posts

93 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Hmm very mixed emotions on this as it feels Mercedes have done this for nothing other than fleet average emissions. Even just this month there has been articles saying Merc will keep dishing out V8's until 2030 or even longer where markets allow and conditions allow from a fleet average perspective.

Technically impressive and as I love tech it appeals, but then like others have said AMG almost equals V8 to many (including me), a 4 pot in a 63 model just feels a little uneasy.

The fact the old engine has been used for noise says a lot as well.

blasos

310 posts

143 months

Wednesday 21st September
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dbrbot said:
2.5 tonne performance motoring party
2,111 kg does not round to 2.5 tonnes. Year 7 maths teachers cringing.

john41901

532 posts

47 months

Wednesday 21st September
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One way to keep the used values up I suppose, but I can hear the PH dinosaurs crying into their beers.

Either way that’s some impressive power output.

JD2329

369 posts

149 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Gosh, that's a complicated drivetrain; obviously a very powerful one.
But it feels as if Mercedes were so desperate to compensate for the lack of V8 charisma that they didn't just make this faster, they made it stupidly, madly faster. Without the naughty factor that comes from dropping an unfeasibly big engine into a smallish car.
It's all relative I suppose, but there's something about this that seems almost pointless, like the answer to a question no-one asked.

samoht

3,783 posts

127 months

Wednesday 21st September
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The appeal of these cars was a special engine in a relatively compact, not too heavy package. This one appears to lose that at both ends - an inline four-pot and over two tonnes in weight.

I'd be interested to see what fuel economy this actually achieves at, say, a nice 200 km/h autobahn cruise.

I slightly wonder why they didn't put a couple of electric motors on the front - that would give you 4WD, torque vectoring and perhaps greater regeneration traction. When you're losing the old car's USP, it makes sense to me to add something new instead.

up_shift

276 posts

88 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Gosh it's finally happened.

Admittedly I'm no fan of modern Mercs.. But I couldn't be any less interested in the C63 if I tried.

It's technically brilliant (although the limited bursts of 600bhp on tap again further deters me and seems extremely gimmical) but it's a classic case of a car being more than just headline numbers..

ledz

375 posts

20 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Looking at £100k with a few choice options ?

ballans

456 posts

86 months

Wednesday 21st September
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I really don’t know what to make of this. The selling point was the V8 and the unique character that came with it. I’m not really in the V8 fan club but I understand the appeal.
If I was in the market for big numbers I would just go full electric. I assume it will be a similar price to the Taycan?

I’ve also had a Golf GTE hybrid. The added electric boost is really nice but as soon as you come across a bend the additional weight makes itself very known. 670bhp and another 500kg is going to make B roads very ‘interesting’

nathwraith1

146 posts

128 months

Wednesday 21st September
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No one bought a c63 to be the fastest or best handling. It was always for the engine!

I owned both a w204 c63 and a w205 c63. Both incredible V8s. Neither were class leading on 0-60, handling or track times but they had character in buckets!

This new car, less so. They may as well had made it an full EV.

2.1 ton weight too. Insane for a mid segment saloon/estate. The previous cars weren’t exactly light at 1.75ton either.

The iPad on dash ala Tesla is the final nail for me.

So far removed from what made it great. I hate being so negative but if I can’t mince my words on this.

However the exterior is great.


Edited by nathwraith1 on Wednesday 21st September 16:16

ahenners

561 posts

107 months

Wednesday 21st September
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romac said:
Sorry, Koenigsegg have beaten them to it with the Gemera. smokin
Skoda did 227mph from a 2.0 Octavia on Bonneville flats in 2011.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

31,231 posts

193 months

Wednesday 21st September
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ghibbett said:
I can only see this being a bit of a flop for MB/AMG.

Yes the figures and tech are impressive, but since when was a >500bhp V8 not enough for UK roads.

RIP the C63.

The best one. 400-500bhp in a relatively small package is more than enough in reality. I'd happily sacrifice some performance for oodles of character and charm.

FourGears

107 posts

36 months

Wednesday 21st September
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The 400-volt, 560-cell, 6.1kWh battery, with a 70kW continuous output 

??

Am I mis-understanding the above. The leccy motor has continuous output? So it is always harvesting?