RE: New 2.0-litre Mercedes-AMG C63 officially unveiled

RE: New 2.0-litre Mercedes-AMG C63 officially unveiled

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DonkeyApple

46,034 posts

150 months

Brett748 said:
It’s a nice looking thing but personally I love my W204 for it’s amazing V8. The noise, vibrations and sound make the car feel special whether it’s dropping my son at nursery, blasting down a dual carriageway or on a track.

I’m sure this one is fast and good to drive but it will always lack the emotional connection to me.
I suspect that is the reality. This will be a good car and exciting in its own way but it's just the total juxtaposition of the origins of a whalloping V8 installed into a relatively simple and not especially large car.

But if there is any doubt as to which one was better and which one the company knows is better and every buyer knows is better then the answer lies in which one of the two cars is trying to sound like the other.

There's a bit of a vegan sausage scenario at play, in that if the vegan meat was really good enough then it wouldn't need to pretend to be something else.

Chunkychucky

5,287 posts

150 months

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
BMW 745i in the 70's which had a 3.3
And the South African market cars which had the M88 3.5 cloud9

stuckmojo

2,536 posts

169 months

JaredVannett said:
Matt's carwow video on the new C63 is a good watch - he doesn't shy away from telling the AMG rep what he really thinks lol: hehe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtXiFTw_hbU
that was good to watch.

I agree with some on this thread who said it might as well be all electric, for the same weight and far less complications of having interaction between ICE and batteries and a nine speed gearbox.

Zero excitement about this.

Wab1974uk

336 posts

8 months

Watched the CarWow review last night.

I have to say I really quite like it. I disagree with some saying it should be just Electric. At least Mercedes are trying to keep the Internal combustion engine going, even if it is a 2.0 4-Pot.

I like the look of the exterior. Not a fan of the digital display, nor the stupidly sized IPad. But still a quite desirable car. But this over an M3 or M3 Touring? Not a chance. BMW wins every time just for the engine.

otolith

49,244 posts

185 months

Wab1974uk said:
I have to say I really quite like it. I disagree with some saying it should be just Electric. At least Mercedes are trying to keep the Internal combustion engine going, even if it is a 2.0 4-Pot.
To what end, though? It isn't lighter, it doesn't have a charismatic engine, it doesn't have a manual transmission - why keep it alive when everything worth keeping is gone?

J4CKO

37,352 posts

181 months

Looking forward to the reviews of this, will be very interesting to see whether it hits the spot for the likes of Matt Watson, Harry Metcalfe etc.

I expect when on it, it will be so capable, the acceleration so vivid you wont get much time to think about the lack of a V8, it wont sound the same but it will make a noise thats been tuned to at least be exciting, even if it cant be as appealing as an AMG V8. Does the A45 sound alright ? Guessing it wont be a million miles off that.

I suspect that the reality will be much better than the ingredients presented on paper, Mercedes know what they are doing and its not going to be a cheap product so it needs to be good enough to sell.

The clincher would be driving it back to back with a 15/20 grand C63 from 2009, then if offered both free of charge to use for a year, which would you go for ? I dont think I could say without driving them both.

If your reject it out of hand based on cylinder count and sound, especially as nobody has heard the new one, so its an assumption (a valid one to be fair) then its easy to end up like that couple in their nineties on the end of the regional news that have returned to the same hotel in Scarborough every year since 1956. I.e. they like it which is fair enough but they have missed out on quite a lot of other experiences to repeat the same one.

If you try it and dont like it, then take the 2009 example, I suppose I am saying perhaps keep an open mind and acknowledge that things change, a V8 C class was a new thing not that long ago.

Oh, and maybe stack a few C63's away whilst you can still get one for 15/20 grand...


cerb4.5lee

23,920 posts

161 months

Wab1974uk said:
Watched the CarWow review last night.

I have to say I really quite like it. I disagree with some saying it should be just Electric. At least Mercedes are trying to keep the Internal combustion engine going, even if it is a 2.0 4-Pot.

I like the look of the exterior. Not a fan of the digital display, nor the stupidly sized IPad. But still a quite desirable car. But this over an M3 or M3 Touring? Not a chance. BMW wins every time just for the engine.
I'd definitely go for the M3(or M4) over this as well because I really like engines. However I think that generally a lot of people don't really care about an engine though(you only have to look at how EVs are taking off a bit now as a good example of that).

If people really cared about engines...then car manufacturers wouldn't have anyone to sell EVs to for me. They do sell EVs though, which tells me that the majority don't care about the engine in a car at all.

cerb4.5lee

23,920 posts

161 months

J4CKO said:
Oh, and maybe stack a few C63's away whilst you can still get one for 15/20 grand...
You definitely could be onto something here! thumbup

It would be nice to have the money to stockpile a few of them, because I'm certain that you will make money on them in the long term.

epom

8,962 posts

142 months

otolith said:
Wab1974uk said:
I have to say I really quite like it. I disagree with some saying it should be just Electric. At least Mercedes are trying to keep the Internal combustion engine going, even if it is a 2.0 4-Pot.
To what end, though? It isn't lighter, it doesn't have a charismatic engine, it doesn't have a manual transmission - why keep it alive when everything worth keeping is gone?
Jeez the man only gave his opinion.

pSyCoSiS

3,271 posts

186 months

I really wanted to hate this when I first heard about them putting in a 4 pot. However, I am rather impressed by what they have come up with.

Yes it will lack the 'soul' of the V8 models - you can replace the satisfaction extra displacement gives, especially the sound and character.

However, fk me! The stats - 680 BHP - 3.4 secs to 60, you really are in almost hyper car territory there.

I think these look great too - especially the wagon. Still not convinced by the rear styling of the saloon. But the overall package does look decent.

Enjoy the big engines whilst you can still buy them - this is the way things are ultimately going.

otolith

49,244 posts

185 months

epom said:
otolith said:
Wab1974uk said:
I have to say I really quite like it. I disagree with some saying it should be just Electric. At least Mercedes are trying to keep the Internal combustion engine going, even if it is a 2.0 4-Pot.
To what end, though? It isn't lighter, it doesn't have a charismatic engine, it doesn't have a manual transmission - why keep it alive when everything worth keeping is gone?
Jeez the man only gave his opinion.
He did, but he didn't say why.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

31,231 posts

193 months

J4CKO said:
If your reject it out of hand based on cylinder count and sound, especially as nobody has heard the new one
Do you think it'll sound any different to effectively the same engine fitted to the A45/CLA45 etc?

J4CKO

37,352 posts

181 months

pSyCoSiS said:
I really wanted to hate this when I first heard about them putting in a 4 pot. However, I am rather impressed by what they have come up with.

Yes it will lack the 'soul' of the V8 models - you can replace the satisfaction extra displacement gives, especially the sound and character.

However, fk me! The stats - 680 BHP - 3.4 secs to 60, you really are in almost hyper car territory there.

I think these look great too - especially the wagon. Still not convinced by the rear styling of the saloon. But the overall package does look decent.

Enjoy the big engines whilst you can still buy them - this is the way things are ultimately going.
I think 3.4 is probably pretty conservative, fully expect Matt Watson with his "Specialist timing equipment" to get it into the two second bracket, A 911 Turbo is well into the low twos, I know this is heavier but its a little more powerful, I reckon around 2.8 is likely, remapped Golf R's with 400 bhp do mid threes so this has to be quite a bit quicker. The W205 does it in 3.7.




Demelitia

532 posts

37 months

romac said:
article said:
might this be the first 2.0-litre car in history capable of 200mph
Sorry, Koenigsegg have beaten them to it with the Gemera. smokin

I'm sure it's a fantastic car, and I probably will have to hand in my PH badge, but my present car at 184bhp hybrid is the most powerful and fastest to 0-60 car that I have had. Beats my V6 Saab 900 and 2.3 LPT Saab 9000 (just). I can't conceive what 4x the power is like.
Skoda: ‘am I a joke to you?’

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-features-heroe...

Fastdruid

7,821 posts

133 months

J4CKO said:
Looking forward to the reviews of this, will be very interesting to see whether it hits the spot for the likes of Matt Watson, Harry Metcalfe etc.

I expect when on it, it will be so capable, the acceleration so vivid you wont get much time to think about the lack of a V8, it wont sound the same but it will make a noise thats been tuned to at least be exciting, even if it cant be as appealing as an AMG V8. Does the A45 sound alright ? Guessing it wont be a million miles off that.
When the sound is artificial and played through the speakers the propulsion really doesn't matter...in which case why bother with a 4-pot? Might as well go the whole hog and make it a full EV.

pSyCoSiS

3,271 posts

186 months

J4CKO said:
pSyCoSiS said:
I really wanted to hate this when I first heard about them putting in a 4 pot. However, I am rather impressed by what they have come up with.

Yes it will lack the 'soul' of the V8 models - you can replace the satisfaction extra displacement gives, especially the sound and character.

However, fk me! The stats - 680 BHP - 3.4 secs to 60, you really are in almost hyper car territory there.

I think these look great too - especially the wagon. Still not convinced by the rear styling of the saloon. But the overall package does look decent.

Enjoy the big engines whilst you can still buy them - this is the way things are ultimately going.
I think 3.4 is probably pretty conservative, fully expect Matt Watson with his "Specialist timing equipment" to get it into the two second bracket, A 911 Turbo is well into the low twos, I know this is heavier but its a little more powerful, I reckon around 2.8 is likely, remapped Golf R's with 400 bhp do mid threes so this has to be quite a bit quicker. The W205 does it in 3.7.
Yes, you are right. The stats are just mind blowing.

Court_S

8,650 posts

158 months

cerb4.5lee said:
Wab1974uk said:
Watched the CarWow review last night.

I have to say I really quite like it. I disagree with some saying it should be just Electric. At least Mercedes are trying to keep the Internal combustion engine going, even if it is a 2.0 4-Pot.

I like the look of the exterior. Not a fan of the digital display, nor the stupidly sized IPad. But still a quite desirable car. But this over an M3 or M3 Touring? Not a chance. BMW wins every time just for the engine.
I'd definitely go for the M3(or M4) over this as well because I really like engines. However I think that generally a lot of people don't really care about an engine though(you only have to look at how EVs are taking off a bit now as a good example of that).

If people really cared about engines...then car manufacturers wouldn't have anyone to sell EVs to for me. They do sell EVs though, which tells me that the majority don't care about the engine in a car at all.
I’m not really a fan of the M3/4, but I’d take the M3 over this primarily because of the engine. Plus I much prefer the interior because I’m really not a fan of modern Merc interiors. I think they’re OTT and a bit chintzy.

Wab1974uk

336 posts

8 months

otolith said:
Wab1974uk said:
I have to say I really quite like it. I disagree with some saying it should be just Electric. At least Mercedes are trying to keep the Internal combustion engine going, even if it is a 2.0 4-Pot.
To what end, though? It isn't lighter, it doesn't have a charismatic engine, it doesn't have a manual transmission - why keep it alive when everything worth keeping is gone?
Because for most people Petrol is still far more convenient the Electric. It's ready to go whenever you need, and if it running low on petrol, it take 5 minutes to fill up and off you go.

Was in Glenriding the other week. Carpark with 2 charge points. One had a car charging (no doubt went off for a walk) while the Golf that tried to use the other couldn't, as it wasn't working.

And just because some people love EV's, it doesn't mean the rest of us have to accept them.

Derventio

978 posts

79 months

Initially, the fact that this is fitted with a "mere" four cylinder engine did prejudice my thoughts on it.

However, two thing s have changed my mind, from "No Thanks" to "Actually, Yes Please!"

The first was seeing the estate on Mat Watson's video. Oof! That looks good, although I preferred the wheels fitted to the saloon.

The second thing that has changed my mind, is that one of my all time favourite performance Mercedes cars only had four cylinders. This in no way diminished my serious want for one. Perhaps it is time to realign your minds and look at it this way: The mid sized performance Mercedes saloon has come full circle when it comes to powerplants.

I'll just leave this here:

zestyfesty

187 posts

80 months

Water Fairy said:
Petrolhead is a fairly broad term if we are being honest. People love cars for very different reasons.

Take my very good mate. He loves his performance cars. He has an E46 M3. Utterly immaculate and low mileage. It looks fantastic in carbon black. Except it's convertible with smg. When I eventually got to drive it, maybe a year after he got it I swiftly stuck it into sport mode; " Oh, I don't think I have ever had it in sport mode...." he declared. After we stopped he also suggested that I had driven it harder than he ever had. I didn't drive hard at all save for a couple of half decent bursts of acceleration coming onto the A14.

He loves his cars and is most certainly a petrolhead, but he's not a driver. True driving enthusiasts understand that sometimes much less is very much more.
We’ll said. It’s a ‘broad church’ to quote a former Aussie PM. In the same vein, a couple of ‘petrolhead’ neighbours don’t understand why we elect to have such simple, old, small cars when there are so many modern, sophisticated offerings