RE: New 2.0-litre Mercedes-AMG C63 officially unveiled

RE: New 2.0-litre Mercedes-AMG C63 officially unveiled

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asimmalik

128 posts

175 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Mercutio said:
Sometimes it's not just about power. About 0-60, about speeds, about where that power is deployed.

It's about a feeling, a kind of shiver and fear and excitement when an engine starts, the wide eyed look when the power starts to come on, the noise, the sheer visceral connection.
This is the perfect summary of how the motoring industry have gone wrong for petrolheads, at least in my opinion.

It's seems like it's just a big willy waving contest these days to see who can make the most power. And most consumers just lap it up because they don't care about that "feeling".

I get why they do it, they're businesses at the end of the day and are there to make the most money possible. But most new cars just leave me cold now.

Deranged Rover

1,997 posts

55 months

Wednesday 21st September
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ARobinson said:
No. Don’t care how much power it makes.

Just no.
^^^ This ^^^

rjfp1962

6,359 posts

54 months

Wednesday 21st September
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The theatre of the V8 C63.... All gone frown

Need to own a V8 one before I die smile

honda_exige

4,511 posts

187 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Numeric said:
Jonny_ said:
Technically it's very impressive. 476bhp from a 2 litre four is no mean feat, and selling them with a full manufacturers warranty even more so.

Interesting that the battery can only supply the full 150kW (200hp) for 10 secs at a time... So it's only 680bhp in brief bursts. Probably bloody handy for overtaking mind!

Not convinced that it'll be as successful without the muscle car soundtrack though.
When it comes to overtaking, might you pull out thinking you have the space then find you don't have all the power you expected? That might be interesting!
10 seconds on the Road is a loooong time. With near 700bhp starting at 50mph you'll be approaching 150mph.

sjc

12,528 posts

251 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Surely it's a C20 not a C63?...

bennytheball

69 posts

8 months

Wednesday 21st September
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I love a fast estate but could never buy at this end of the market and would have to wait a few years.

I'd seriously consider an old V8 Merc AMG or Audi RS4 because, although the potential for failure is there, it's easy to understand and easy for a competent specialist to cope with. The timing chain issues on the Audi 4.2 V8s springs to mind - a bit scary but there are specialists out there who can fix it without a need to remortgage.

Those V8s are powerful but they're relatively unstressed and, compared to this thing, relatively simple.

Can you imagine the potential problems down the line with this 2.0 AMG C63? How highly stressed must that engine be? Will it last more than a few years or just become a liability once it starts to age a little?

FaustF

529 posts

135 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Incredibly complicated, maintaining one of these is going to be a nightmare.

Also, huge weight, huge price, huge power

Doing very little for me.

British Beef

1,853 posts

146 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Absolutely 0% appeal. Personally I would go full electric, for cheap tax & acceleration or diesel for good range.

2lt hybrid, basically you are buying a Toyota Prius, that wont be as reliable and costs twice as much (and a little bit faster!!)

Carl_Manchester

9,849 posts

243 months

Wednesday 21st September
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panholio said:
Looks absolutely awesome. Can't wait to read a road test.
It pains me to key this in but that is one good looking estate car.

As for the engine, not everyone is into the AMG V8 thing, they are crass sounding at the best of times.

HardMiles

235 posts

67 months

Wednesday 21st September
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How much will one actually be?

In all seriousness, who with 100k plus to spend on a car would be happy with the same engine as the kid with the £35k car? Likley a lot of cash for a 4 cylinder - Okay it it were a super light limited numbers sports car, but not a 2 tonne wagon.

I know money doesn't buy taste, ergo these will sell still, but why would anyone want a characature of the real thing for way more money? Buy a real V8 for way less!

Utter guff if you ask me.

It's only any use if pub talk numbers are your thing, nothing else! USELESS.

Water Fairy

4,261 posts

136 months

Wednesday 21st September
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sjc said:
Surely it's a C20 not a C63?...
Nomenclature hasn't meant a damn thing for a good while now

Audi A3 4.0 TDI anyone?

cayman-black

11,594 posts

197 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Well, its second hand only now then.

JAMSXR

701 posts

28 months

Wednesday 21st September
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An engineering or marketing masterpiece, sounds like a bit of both. There seems to be far too much gumpf in the press release, but I guess that’s to be expected.

Doesn’t the A45 have pretty crap MPG, I’m sure I’ve heard owners quoting numbers worse than the C63 bi-turbo V8.

I’m just not sure the stupendous light switch performance is worth the price tag when compared to the characterful V8, but clearly MB didn’t have much of a choice.

Personally I’m looking forward some pure EV wagons to consider as a daily, but I’m going to enjoy my V8 for as long as possible, it’s a beautiful thing.



Edited by JAMSXR on Wednesday 21st September 16:38

cerb4.5lee

23,920 posts

161 months

Wednesday 21st September
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I will definitely miss the old V8's because I love noise. However those numbers are very impressive from this though I reckon.

It does fascinate me how manufacturers are gently weaning us in when it comes to the weight in performance cars now. This is some weight at over 2100kg for a medium sized car, but a pretty decent stepping stone for the full electric performance cars that weigh around 2500kg now though.

leglessAlex

4,602 posts

122 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Not going to add anything that anyone hasn't already said, but I'm firmly in the camp that says no V8, no likey.

I'm absolutely sure this will objectively be the best C63 AMG yet, but I just don't want it.

glennjamin

168 posts

44 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Surprised they didn't just loose 2 cylinders and make it a V6.. Being 2 litres going to have impact on secondhand prices of the V8. I suppose having electric motor assistance is DRS for the road.... Just can't make that amazing sound out of 4 cylinder engine !!

TyrannosauRoss Lex

31,231 posts

193 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Water Fairy said:
sjc said:
Surely it's a C20 not a C63?...
Nomenclature hasn't meant a damn thing for a good while now

Audi A3 4.0 TDI anyone?
BMW 745i in the 70's which had a 3.3

Craig W

401 posts

140 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Is displacement pretty much irrelevant at this point? No longer is it particularly meaningful like it used to be. "Oh, is that the 3.0 litre?". Meaningless at this point.

aston addict

352 posts

139 months

Wednesday 21st September
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aside of a track are there many places you can even use that kind of performance today?

Seems like Mercedes is following moron musk down that path. Cars that on paper look quick but the reality when you live with them is poor quality, unreliable and a turbocharged washing machine.

The needless focus of manufacturers on 0-60 times is crazy - as if it's to make up for the loss of other sensory highlights like noise - and a car that emits its engine noise from speakers - for the outside!

This is one complex car and very likely to be a reliability nightmare in a few years.

epom

8,963 posts

142 months

Wednesday 21st September
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Love it.