RE: New 2.0-litre Mercedes-AMG C63 officially unveiled
Discussion
Mercutio said:
Sometimes it's not just about power. About 0-60, about speeds, about where that power is deployed.
It's about a feeling, a kind of shiver and fear and excitement when an engine starts, the wide eyed look when the power starts to come on, the noise, the sheer visceral connection.
This is the perfect summary of how the motoring industry have gone wrong for petrolheads, at least in my opinion.It's about a feeling, a kind of shiver and fear and excitement when an engine starts, the wide eyed look when the power starts to come on, the noise, the sheer visceral connection.
It's seems like it's just a big willy waving contest these days to see who can make the most power. And most consumers just lap it up because they don't care about that "feeling".
I get why they do it, they're businesses at the end of the day and are there to make the most money possible. But most new cars just leave me cold now.
Numeric said:
Jonny_ said:
Technically it's very impressive. 476bhp from a 2 litre four is no mean feat, and selling them with a full manufacturers warranty even more so.
Interesting that the battery can only supply the full 150kW (200hp) for 10 secs at a time... So it's only 680bhp in brief bursts. Probably bloody handy for overtaking mind!
Not convinced that it'll be as successful without the muscle car soundtrack though.
When it comes to overtaking, might you pull out thinking you have the space then find you don't have all the power you expected? That might be interesting!Interesting that the battery can only supply the full 150kW (200hp) for 10 secs at a time... So it's only 680bhp in brief bursts. Probably bloody handy for overtaking mind!
Not convinced that it'll be as successful without the muscle car soundtrack though.
I love a fast estate but could never buy at this end of the market and would have to wait a few years.
I'd seriously consider an old V8 Merc AMG or Audi RS4 because, although the potential for failure is there, it's easy to understand and easy for a competent specialist to cope with. The timing chain issues on the Audi 4.2 V8s springs to mind - a bit scary but there are specialists out there who can fix it without a need to remortgage.
Those V8s are powerful but they're relatively unstressed and, compared to this thing, relatively simple.
Can you imagine the potential problems down the line with this 2.0 AMG C63? How highly stressed must that engine be? Will it last more than a few years or just become a liability once it starts to age a little?
I'd seriously consider an old V8 Merc AMG or Audi RS4 because, although the potential for failure is there, it's easy to understand and easy for a competent specialist to cope with. The timing chain issues on the Audi 4.2 V8s springs to mind - a bit scary but there are specialists out there who can fix it without a need to remortgage.
Those V8s are powerful but they're relatively unstressed and, compared to this thing, relatively simple.
Can you imagine the potential problems down the line with this 2.0 AMG C63? How highly stressed must that engine be? Will it last more than a few years or just become a liability once it starts to age a little?
How much will one actually be?
In all seriousness, who with 100k plus to spend on a car would be happy with the same engine as the kid with the £35k car? Likley a lot of cash for a 4 cylinder - Okay it it were a super light limited numbers sports car, but not a 2 tonne wagon.
I know money doesn't buy taste, ergo these will sell still, but why would anyone want a characature of the real thing for way more money? Buy a real V8 for way less!
Utter guff if you ask me.
It's only any use if pub talk numbers are your thing, nothing else! USELESS.
In all seriousness, who with 100k plus to spend on a car would be happy with the same engine as the kid with the £35k car? Likley a lot of cash for a 4 cylinder - Okay it it were a super light limited numbers sports car, but not a 2 tonne wagon.
I know money doesn't buy taste, ergo these will sell still, but why would anyone want a characature of the real thing for way more money? Buy a real V8 for way less!
Utter guff if you ask me.
It's only any use if pub talk numbers are your thing, nothing else! USELESS.
An engineering or marketing masterpiece, sounds like a bit of both. There seems to be far too much gumpf in the press release, but I guess that’s to be expected.
Doesn’t the A45 have pretty crap MPG, I’m sure I’ve heard owners quoting numbers worse than the C63 bi-turbo V8.
I’m just not sure the stupendous light switch performance is worth the price tag when compared to the characterful V8, but clearly MB didn’t have much of a choice.
Personally I’m looking forward some pure EV wagons to consider as a daily, but I’m going to enjoy my V8 for as long as possible, it’s a beautiful thing.
Doesn’t the A45 have pretty crap MPG, I’m sure I’ve heard owners quoting numbers worse than the C63 bi-turbo V8.
I’m just not sure the stupendous light switch performance is worth the price tag when compared to the characterful V8, but clearly MB didn’t have much of a choice.
Personally I’m looking forward some pure EV wagons to consider as a daily, but I’m going to enjoy my V8 for as long as possible, it’s a beautiful thing.
Edited by JAMSXR on Wednesday 21st September 16:38
I will definitely miss the old V8's because I love noise. However those numbers are very impressive from this though I reckon.
It does fascinate me how manufacturers are gently weaning us in when it comes to the weight in performance cars now. This is some weight at over 2100kg for a medium sized car, but a pretty decent stepping stone for the full electric performance cars that weigh around 2500kg now though.
It does fascinate me how manufacturers are gently weaning us in when it comes to the weight in performance cars now. This is some weight at over 2100kg for a medium sized car, but a pretty decent stepping stone for the full electric performance cars that weigh around 2500kg now though.
aside of a track are there many places you can even use that kind of performance today?
Seems like Mercedes is following moron musk down that path. Cars that on paper look quick but the reality when you live with them is poor quality, unreliable and a turbocharged washing machine.
The needless focus of manufacturers on 0-60 times is crazy - as if it's to make up for the loss of other sensory highlights like noise - and a car that emits its engine noise from speakers - for the outside!
This is one complex car and very likely to be a reliability nightmare in a few years.
Seems like Mercedes is following moron musk down that path. Cars that on paper look quick but the reality when you live with them is poor quality, unreliable and a turbocharged washing machine.
The needless focus of manufacturers on 0-60 times is crazy - as if it's to make up for the loss of other sensory highlights like noise - and a car that emits its engine noise from speakers - for the outside!
This is one complex car and very likely to be a reliability nightmare in a few years.
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