SUV Hatred

[A500leroy]

Tends to be reserved for the really big ones that dont fit on one side of a country lane and usually only have 1 person in them 90% of the time when a smaller car will do much the same job.

(IE Q7,Gwagon,X5/X6,Stelvio,Sorento,Landcruiser etc)

[braddo]

nickfrog said:

BS62 said:

Based on this part of their website , where step 1 of deflating an SUV tyre is: "Locate an SUV. In towns and cities, you won’t have to walk far to find one. Target posh / middle-class areas." it's got fk all to do with the climate and everything to do with being a nasty, classist, spiteful, envious prick.

Exactly. Green eyed monsters. They are inciting criminal damage basically out of bitterness.

That's not correct. It's targeting excessive/conspicuous consumption. It should be pretty self-evident that that occurs more in wealthy areas.

Some PHers love to think all criticism of their lifestyle choices comes from jealousy or bitterness.

[Bennet]

braddo said:

nickfrog said:

BS62 said:

Based on this part of their website , where step 1 of deflating an SUV tyre is: "Locate an SUV. In towns and cities, you won’t have to walk far to find one. Target posh / middle-class areas." it's got fk all to do with the climate and everything to do with being a nasty, classist, spiteful, envious prick.

Exactly. Green eyed monsters. They are inciting criminal damage basically out of bitterness.

That's not correct. It's targeting excessive/conspicuous consumption. It should be pretty self-evident that that occurs more in wealthy areas.

Some PHers love to think all criticism of their lifestyle choices comes from jealousy or bitterness.

As a bonus, the nurses, teachers, software developers, solicitors, accountants etc in the posh/middle class areas are less likely to stab you if they catch you.

[BS62]

braddo said:

That's not correct. It's targeting excessive/conspicuous consumption. It should be pretty self-evident that that occurs more in wealthy areas.

Some PHers love to think all criticism of their lifestyle choices comes from jealousy or bitterness.

Found the Tyre Extinguisher.

[Pistom]

Great buy - well done OP.

Sadly, you may well get some crap off some people but that's life I'm afraid.

As long as you don't act a dick in it, you know that it's their problem and you can get on with life.

Don't worry about what others think, it's not worth wasting effort.

[DodgyGeezer]

1st rule of buying 'inappropriate' cars:

-don't give a monkey's what others think


2nd::

-enjoy

[Red9zero]

jimKRFC said:

Julian Scott said:

Tyre Extinguishers?

This bunch - https://www.tyreextinguishers.com/

Cause all sorts of chaos in Bristol.... https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/ty...

They haven't reached our part of town yet. We had Bristol Anarchists setting light to "executive" cars a few years back, so they can't be far away.

[Unreal]

LimaDelta said:

Julian Scott said:

Sat here waiting for my new car to be delivered (F-Pace SVR). Or rather, initially waiting for the delivery driver to call to say he is an hour away.

I'm like a kid at Christmas, pretending to work, but actually looking at reviews and comments on this and other sites/forums.

This is the first SUV/4x4 I’ve owned, but not the first I’ve driven. I’m a big fan of the driving position and the drive of an SUV as much as the extra benefit the greater loadspace begets, but on this and other forums, the anti-SUV sentiment is prominent, especially to those who can’t demonstrate a specific and unequivocal need for such a car. Despite the car’s 5l supercharged V8, 542bhp and British credentials, am I set for a barrage of hatred and criticism?

Which bit do you not need? For some reason not needing the SUV/4x4 part attracts more criticism than the not needing the 542bhp part.

Good choice BTW, the hatred is mostly jealousy.

Any hatred is usually based on the vehicles being driven badly. Their size makes them more conspicuous than other vehicles - a bit like white vans - so any bad driving is instantly highlighted and affects perceptions. E.g. blocking roads around school entrances, taking up two car spaces, parking on kerbs outside shops, etc. I don't know any petrolheads with SUV envy. If we were talking about a sports car maybe, but not an SUV.

[anonymous-user]

nickfrog said:

Joey Deacon said:

It's like people who buy staffies and big dogs to intimidate other people. A large percentage of people who drive (usually German) SUVs drive like absolute idiots.

1)Driving six inches from your bumper in an attempt to make you drive faster
2)When a road merges, driving in the outside lane and then forcing their way in at the last second. The same if there is a queue to pull off onto the motorway.
3)Pull out in front of you at roundabouts and junctions forcing you to slow down
4)If their lane is blocked by parked cars or a bus, just pulling out into your lane, forcing you to stop.

I was at the Airport yesterday, it is actually quite scary how large the percentage of cars in the car park were SUVs. It's like a massive arms race, because people have them everyone else feels they need to get one too to be "safe"

I have never driven one and I live in Greater London with no driveway. Isn't it a constant pain in the arse owning one, trying to find somewhere to park it and driving down congested narrow roads?

Classic confirmation bias.

There are similar proportions of morons in any kind of cars IME, ie very very low. Or maybe that's where I live.

I would not personally chose an SUV most of the time, but I see no clear car type bias for driving like a selfish wkstain.

Many of these toy FWD SUVs aren't much taller than a hatchback anyway, they're just a very clever repackaging of the mini MPV concept to make it seem less gimpy to buyers.

[h0b0]

Having been an SUV owner for several years I have watched the ton on pistonheads. Let’s start with the reasons give. For disliking SUVs that may sound logical..

They are bigger
They are less fuel efficient
They drive like crap

Ok, when these allegations are made the usual comparison is “I grew up driving to the alps in a golf. Your Cayenne is fat and ugly”. Well, that’s not a fair comparison. If we are being fair we should consider the SUV and the direct equivalent. The Panamera has a bigger foot print than the Cayenne.

Fuel economy, “my 1l Lupo gets 100mpg and your Cayenne has a drinking problem”. Yes, the 4.8 V8 does like a drink. But, if we compare the same engine in the Pamamera we see 1mpg difference. Hardly worth mentioning.

Drives like st… why doesn’t everyone drive an Elise then? Every car is a sliding scale of compromise vs value. I know on my recent 500 mile road trip I’d take the SUV over an Elise. It’s selecting the car that makes sense for your situation. Where I live we measure snow in feet so having a capable vehicle is essential. Yes, I could have a land rover for the snow, an Elise for the commute and a horse and cart to get the kids to school. I don’t have the parking.

That leads me on to the real reasons for the hate. First, people like Harris constantly tell the world how much they hate SUVs. Yes, Chris does drive a Porsche touring to get to work but….Chris, what’s your family car? Merc G-wagon. Clarkson, what’s your family car? XC90. Work car? Range Rover. Oh, for those with money and space they can be critical of SUVs but rely on them when needed. Chris can’t use the Porsche as a family car so if he had to go down to one car… it would be the SUV!!! (Or he would sell both and buy an RS6 but the question was about dropping to one of his current cars).

The other reason is the person behind the wheel. That’s not the car! That says more about England than SUVs.

[braddo]

BS62 said:

braddo said:

That's not correct. It's targeting excessive/conspicuous consumption. It should be pretty self-evident that that occurs more in wealthy areas.

Some PHers love to think all criticism of their lifestyle choices comes from jealousy or bitterness.

Found the Tyre Extinguisher.

Check out my garage history and have a think of whether I'm more likely to be a member or a victim of that lot.

Either way, it doesn't make what I said any less true.

[nickfrog]

braddo said:

nickfrog said:

BS62 said:

Based on this part of their website , where step 1 of deflating an SUV tyre is: "Locate an SUV. In towns and cities, you won’t have to walk far to find one. Target posh / middle-class areas." it's got fk all to do with the climate and everything to do with being a nasty, classist, spiteful, envious prick.

Exactly. Green eyed monsters. They are inciting criminal damage basically out of bitterness.

That's not correct. It's targeting excessive/conspicuous consumption. It should be pretty self-evident that that occurs more in wealthy areas.

Some PHers love to think all criticism of their lifestyle choices comes from jealousy or bitterness.

I don't know what Phers you are talking about but perhaps you should just say who you mean as I don't see it.


Where does excessive/conspicuous consumption start in your view?

Is a GT3 more or less excessive/conspicuous consumption than say a 170ps / 1.5t SUV?

What about a 2t RS6?

[Jon556]

I don’t like that most manufacturers are seemingly axing ‘normal’ body styles just to offer their SUV/Crossover range. Yes, people buy them in large numbers, but to completely take away even decent selling hatches and estates etc in favour them is disappointing, and a bit scary..will there only be a choice of which size SUV you want?

[TheInternet]

Donbot said:

Lots of narrow roads and on street parking where I live so the size of some of them just seems totally inappropriate for their use the capabilities of the driver, and can be a pain in the ass to get past.

EFA.

Unworkable dreamland: All car drivers to regularly be forced to drive through a 7 foot gap at 30mph with penalties for failure.

[Donbot]

TheInternet said:

Donbot said:

Lots of narrow roads and on street parking where I live so the size of some of them just seems totally inappropriate for their use the capabilities of the driver, and can be a pain in the ass to get past.

EFA.

Unworkable dreamland: All car drivers to regularly be forced to drive through a 7 foot gap at 30mph with penalties for failure.

Yeah that probably is more accurate. As others have said, a large vehicle used badly is more likely draw attention.

[RDMcG]

DodgyGeezer said:

1st rule of buying 'inappropriate' cars:

-don't give a monkey's what others think


2nd::

-enjoy

Could not have said it better myself

[RDMcG]

DodgyGeezer said:

1st rule of buying 'inappropriate' cars:

-don't give a monkey's what others think


2nd::

-enjoy

Could not have said it better myself

[Speed addicted]

TheInternet said:

EFA.

Unworkable dreamland: All car drivers to regularly be forced to drive through a 7 foot gap at 30mph with penalties for failure.

How many drivers of fiat 500s and Mini’s would be able to do this?

[anonymous-user]

stickleback123 said:

nickfrog said:

Joey Deacon said:

It's like people who buy staffies and big dogs to intimidate other people. A large percentage of people who drive (usually German) SUVs drive like absolute idiots.

1)Driving six inches from your bumper in an attempt to make you drive faster
2)When a road merges, driving in the outside lane and then forcing their way in at the last second. The same if there is a queue to pull off onto the motorway.
3)Pull out in front of you at roundabouts and junctions forcing you to slow down
4)If their lane is blocked by parked cars or a bus, just pulling out into your lane, forcing you to stop.

I was at the Airport yesterday, it is actually quite scary how large the percentage of cars in the car park were SUVs. It's like a massive arms race, because people have them everyone else feels they need to get one too to be "safe"

I have never driven one and I live in Greater London with no driveway. Isn't it a constant pain in the arse owning one, trying to find somewhere to park it and driving down congested narrow roads?

Classic confirmation bias.

There are similar proportions of morons in any kind of cars IME, ie very very low. Or maybe that's where I live.

I would not personally chose an SUV most of the time, but I see no clear car type bias for driving like a selfish wkstain.

Many of these toy FWD SUVs aren't much taller than a hatchback anyway, they're just a very clever repackaging of the mini MPV concept to make it seem less gimpy to buyers.

In my experience points 1,3 and 4 are mostly carried out by Minis / Corsas / Fiat 500s etc...

[phazed]

Happily retired now and don’t do much in the way of mileage hence my daily vehicle of choice.

I’ve had five discoveries in the past. Brilliant for work and family of six. Don’t need that at all now so bought myself a nice Rangie P38, that, “I“ really enjoy driving sedately. Does everything I need, even takes in the odd green lane.

My wife loves it and of course it has a 4.6 L engine.

It’s not green but then on the other hand if I bought a new green vehicle it will have to be built. I keep this running perfectly and it puts a smile on my face whenever I see it parked up.

Not bothered what anyone else thinks.