RE: Only RHD Bugatti EB110 SS Prototype for sale
Discussion
Not wanting to give anyone at PH towers work....but how about an article with a dealer such as DK Eng about selling these incredible cars.
• How do they price them?
• What does POA actually mean for the buyer (there's a price in mind/it's an auction process/only the rich need enquire)?
• How long do you keep it on the books if it hasn't sold?
• Do they actively look for sales like this Bugatti with other dealers that haven't shifted them?
• How do you vet people for test drives (tyre kickers??)
Just a thought.
• How do they price them?
• What does POA actually mean for the buyer (there's a price in mind/it's an auction process/only the rich need enquire)?
• How long do you keep it on the books if it hasn't sold?
• Do they actively look for sales like this Bugatti with other dealers that haven't shifted them?
• How do you vet people for test drives (tyre kickers??)
Just a thought.
sdiggle said:
Not wanting to give anyone at PH towers work....but how about an article with a dealer such as DK Eng about selling these incredible cars.
I suspect DK have agreements with similar high value dealers around the globe. Cars like this need to be advertised to potential clients in the right way. I best they travel the world appearing in the right settings to gain a momentum before any sale is concluded. POA means the price is set dependant on the ability and propensity of the buyer to pay.Someone like Nick Mason is very wealthy and knows a lot about cars. The price quoted to him would be less than the price quoted to some Sheik off his tits on coke trying to impress his friends in London before flying back to the UAE. I suspect many of these investments are sold to funds rather than HNW individuals.
ducnick said:
I suspect many of these investments are sold to funds rather than HNW individuals.
You may be right, but if so, I'm kind of amazed. From a serious investment perspective, I wouldn't go near something like this. It's thoroughly perishable, utterly subject to fashion, of arguable provenance (compared to, I dunno, a factory certified Donkey this "Bugatti" is a tiny bit iffy), a nightmare to look after etc.Feels more like a trinket for HNW individuals to play with while they pretend its an investment, but that's entirely a hunch. Maybe you are right. Scary if so.
Equus said:
If it hadn't been for the Mac F1, which in lots of ways was technically less interesting and quite backward-looking, this would have had a much bigger impact in its day.
EB110 was certainly forward looking. All about the numbers, less about the drive. And indeed that's where we are today.sdiggle said:
Not wanting to give anyone at PH towers work....but how about an article with a dealer such as DK Eng about selling these incredible cars.
• How do they price them?
• What does POA actually mean for the buyer (there's a price in mind/it's an auction process/only the rich need enquire)?
• How long do you keep it on the books if it hasn't sold?
• Do they actively look for sales like this Bugatti with other dealers that haven't shifted them?
• How do you vet people for test drives (tyre kickers??)
Just a thought.
While that would be interesting, forum members would then no doubt complain that it was an advertorial, and that PH were getting a kick-back to promote the dealer. There is no pleasing some folk on here sadly.• How do they price them?
• What does POA actually mean for the buyer (there's a price in mind/it's an auction process/only the rich need enquire)?
• How long do you keep it on the books if it hasn't sold?
• Do they actively look for sales like this Bugatti with other dealers that haven't shifted them?
• How do you vet people for test drives (tyre kickers??)
Just a thought.
ajap1979 said:
Lots of creatives do their best work while inebriated and working to a tight deadline.
Indeed. Just imagine how much great music we would have missed out on if some of the great bands had been clean!GeeTeeBee said:
Equus said:
If it hadn't been for the Mac F1, which in lots of ways was technically less interesting and quite backward-looking, this would have had a much bigger impact in its day.
EB110 was certainly forward looking. All about the numbers, less about the drive. And indeed that's where we are today.Cold said:
I'm not sure that's a fair summary. They were more nuanced than that in their day. Brundle seemed to like it, even ten years after its launch.
"It's OK but nothing special" he says he told Schumacher when he handed the EB110 back."Tiresome on the road, but does manage to get back some cred on the track."
Hardly ringing endorsements of such an expensive car.
Anyway, all-wheel drive, turbos, etc. It's a subjective thing, but the car looks specced for numbers and outright capability over the driving experience to me, and in that it was prescient as that's very much the way the supercar market has gone.
Schumacher bought a yellow EB110 the season he won his 1st drivers world championship. Personally love the bright blue alot seam to be .
Last year or whenever I'd scene on 1 of the motoring websites that it had been caught while out with the owner don't know when it was sold presumably after his accident and ended up going for a swim in a German flood. Probably the most well known EB.
Last year or whenever I'd scene on 1 of the motoring websites that it had been caught while out with the owner don't know when it was sold presumably after his accident and ended up going for a swim in a German flood. Probably the most well known EB.
Geoffcapes said:
Turbobanana said:
So then why do so many territories do it the other way round?
I blame the French!https://nationalmotormuseum.org.uk/ufaqs/why-do-we...
It is possible that the custom of driving on the left dates back to pre-history and may later have been used as an early road safety measure. At a time when the main danger on the roads was mugging, careful travellers would pass on-coming strangers on the left with their sword arm towards the passer-by.
The keep left rule did not become law in Britain until the increase in horse traffic made some sort of enforcement essential. Before this, the drivers of coaches leaving London for the country simply chose the firmest part of the road. The main dates for the introduction of the legal requirement to keep left are:
1756 – London Bridge
1772 – Towns in Scotland
1835 – All roads in Great Britain and Ireland
In Europe, Pope Boniface VIII instructed pilgrims to keep to the left in the year 1300. Later, class distinction in France meant that aristocrats drove their carriages on the left side of the road forcing everybody else over to the centre or to the right-hand side. Keeping left had really only ever applied to riding or driving. With the onset of the French Revolution in 1789 and the subsequent declaration of the rights of man in 1791 many aristocrats decided to keep to the ‘poor side’ of the road so as not to draw attention to themselves. Keeping to the right of the road was also seen as a way of defying the earlier Papal decree.
The subsequent Revolutionary wars and Napoleon’s European conquests led to the spread of driving on the right to Switzerland, Germany, Italy, Poland, Spain, Belgium and the Netherlands. Napoleon ordered his armies to use the right-hand side of the road in order to avoid congestion during military manoeuvres. The nations that resisted invasion – Britain, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Russia and Portugal – generally kept to the left.
The Netherlands changed to driving on the right in 1795, but Dutch colonies in the Far East continued the old practices. Denmark had not been invaded by the French but changed in 1793. Russia did not switch until 1916. Czechoslovakia and Hungary were the last countries in mainland Europe to keep left, only changing to the right following invasion by Germany in the late 1930s.
Portugal made the change from left to right in the 1920s; countries with border crossings found there was great confusion if drivers were required to change sides of the road when passing from country to country. Sweden remained on the left until 1967 and changed to the right following a lengthy road safety campaign.
In Austria from 1805 to 1939 half the country drove on the left whilst the other half, the area that had been invaded by Napoleon, drove on the right!
Most of the British Empire adopted the British custom of driving on the left although Egypt, which had been conquered by Napoleon, kept using the right after it became a British dependency.
Pakistan considered changing from left to right in the 1960s. The main argument against was that camel trains often drove through the night while their drivers dozed. The difficulty in teaching old camels new tricks was a decisive factor in Pakistan rejecting the change.
Canada stayed on the left until the 1920s. During the American War of Independence, French liberal reformer General Lafayette gave advice to the revolutionary forces and spread the idea of driving on the right. The keep right rule was applied to the Pennsylvania turnpike in 1792, New York in 1804 and New Jersey in 1813.
Bucking the normal trend, the Pacific island of Samoa made the switch from driving on the right to driving on the left side of the road on 7 September 2009. The official reason given was so as to fall in line with near neighbours Australia and New Zealand which, like Britain, still drive on the left.
ducnick said:
You will notice that older real Bugattis, alfas etc are rhd .
The story goes that Bugatti (and others) placed the driver on the right to counter the torque reaction of the prop shaft and engine in his cars. As race tracks evolved and all the fastest cars (Bugatti,Alfa,talbot Lago, Bentley etc) were rhd and the tracks ran clockwise, the pits were on the right so the driver could jump in and out more easily. Hence rhd stuck on racing cars e.g Le Mans prototypes for much longer.
Very interesting and makes a lot of sense.The story goes that Bugatti (and others) placed the driver on the right to counter the torque reaction of the prop shaft and engine in his cars. As race tracks evolved and all the fastest cars (Bugatti,Alfa,talbot Lago, Bentley etc) were rhd and the tracks ran clockwise, the pits were on the right so the driver could jump in and out more easily. Hence rhd stuck on racing cars e.g Le Mans prototypes for much longer.
Edited by ducnick on Wednesday 15th March 08:22
I was thinking I had seen some pre-war type cars from European manufacturers, from Italy
for example that were RHD.
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