Vapes and Vauxhalls hatred

[bodhi]

Missy Charm said:

Piersman2 said:

Stick Legs said:

Deranged Rover said:

Stick Legs said:

I used to smoke.
15-20 a day for 10 years.
Marlboro lights but switched to Dunhill for going out.

I did have to laugh at the thought of you using posh cigarettes for "best".

I know. God I was a pretentious 25 year old!

That is brilliant, the thought of Dunhill being kept for best as an indicator of sophistication when out on the pull.

We all used to reserve the sophisticated fags for social occasions, though. In my case it was Sobranie Cocktails (what I'd give for some now) for best and Superkings for everyday use.

Nowadays it's long B&H in a drab packet.

I always used to go for Marlboro Gold when going out due to the increased number I'll smoke after having a drink - getting through an entire pack of Reds of an evening isn't the best recipe for feeling good in the morning

[anonymous-user]

Missy Charm said:

We all used to reserve the sophisticated fags for social occasions, though. In my case it was Sobranie Cocktails (what I'd give for some now) for best and Superkings for everyday use.

Nowadays it's long B&H in a drab packet.

I used to smoke Sobranie Black Russians, I'd still occasionally do it until a few years ago when they vanished completely with the packaging changes. I really struggle betwen considering the pressure on smoking nanny state bks, and seeing it as a public health triumph. Can't even get them from Russia anymore, which is what I was doing until maybe 2018.

[J4CKO]

Was talking to a chap in my local last night, he was telling me, having returned from having a fag that he was playing five a side next week.

Then adds he hasn't played for a few years as he had a heart attack last time, his second one, was touch and go.

I go in maybe once a week as an average, and he is pretty much always in, alternating between his pint and going out for a smoke.

I do wonder if smoking affects the decision making bit of the brain

Kind of thinking five a side at 50 plus, having had two heart attacks and being fond of smoking and being in the pub most nights is not a great idea.

[sociopath]

Fermit said:

Stick Legs said:

I gave up smoking ‘the man’s way’ by just stopping and pushing through the cravings and grumpiness.

I do look down on vapers.
If you are going to smoke have the courage of your convictions & smoke.
If you aren’t going to then stop.

However I am a fat b**stard who likes cake & beer so please feel free to judge my hypocrisy / life choices as appropriate.

Genuine well done for quitting using will-power alone, but for some like me, who have tried multiple methods and always failed then it doesn't feel like an option. Would you look down on an ex-heroin addict being prescribed a drug to substitute their habit? Because smoking, as eluded to prior, is thought to be at least as addictive as it, if not more.

Oh, and user-name definitely doesn't check out

I'm significantly older than Fermit I believe (61) and the perils of smoking were as equally well known when I was growing up, as the perils of heroine.

Anyone that became addicted to either, or any, drug could have avoided it by not trying them in the first place, so call me harsh, but none of them get any sympathy from me
I did, even though I was surrounded by loads of smoking and drug taking mates.

(yes I know, username checks out blah blah blah)

Edited by sociopath on Friday 17th March 16:02

[Deranged Rover]

J4CKO said:

Was talking to a chap in my local last night, he was telling me, having returned from having a fag that he was playing five a side next week.

Then adds he hasn't played for a few years as he had a heart attack last time, his second one, was touch and go.

I go in maybe once a week as an average, and he is pretty much always in, alternating between his pint and going out for a smoke.

I do wonder if smoking affects the decision making bit of the brain

Kind of thinking five a side at 50 plus, having had two heart attacks and being fond of smoking and being in the pub most nights is not a great idea.

I remember talking to an old chap in a social club years ago when you could still smoke indoors. He was in a wheelchair, smoking away and both of his legs had been amputated at mid-thigh.

After a few beers the conversation somehow turned to smoking and he cheerily told me how his doctor told him that he'd lose a leg if he didn't give up smoking. He didn't and so the leg ended up being removed.

His doctor then told him he really needed to stop smoking otherwise he'd lose his other leg. You already know how this story ended.

I was in my early 20s at the time and genuinely didn't know how to react to his story. I didn't know if he was expecting me to congratulate him for standing up to his principles (sorry ; bad pun) or berate him for being an utter tt. I know which option I'd go with 20 years later!

[sociopath]

Deranged Rover said:

J4CKO said:

Was talking to a chap in my local last night, he was telling me, having returned from having a fag that he was playing five a side next week.

Then adds he hasn't played for a few years as he had a heart attack last time, his second one, was touch and go.

I go in maybe once a week as an average, and he is pretty much always in, alternating between his pint and going out for a smoke.

I do wonder if smoking affects the decision making bit of the brain

Kind of thinking five a side at 50 plus, having had two heart attacks and being fond of smoking and being in the pub most nights is not a great idea.

I remember talking to an old chap in a social club years ago when you could still smoke indoors. He was in a wheelchair, smoking away and both of his legs had been amputated at mid-thigh.

After a few beers the conversation somehow turned to smoking and he cheerily told me how his doctor told him that he'd lose a leg if he didn't give up smoking. He didn't and so the leg ended up being removed.

His doctor then told him he really needed to stop smoking otherwise he'd lose his other leg. You already know how this story ended.

I was in my early 20s at the time and genuinely didn't know how to react to his story. I didn't know if he was expecting me to congratulate him for standing up to his principles (sorry ; bad pun) or berate him for being an utter tt. I know which option I'd go with 20 years later!

Back in the day I worked at St Thomas' hospital in London.
It was next to the high dependency unit, accessed via a stairwell, that was always full of patients from the HDU, attached to portable drips, smoking.

[Buzypea]

SteveStrange said:

Fermit said:

lord trumpton said:

Shouldn't Vauxhalls and Vapers be discussed in the 'council' thread rather than starting a fresh thread?

Succinctly demonstrating the crux of my OP.

Yeah but he's right though.

I drive a Vauxhall and occasionally vape if I’ve had a few drinks.

I work in IT for a FTSE 5 company in London and own a 4 bed house in a nice area in the South East; it’s definitely not council. Me and the wife are off to the theatre tonight, and yes, we’re going in the Vauxhall. It’s a 200bhp Astra K, all the toys I need and gets to 60 in 6.6 seconds. I like it, it suits my needs perfectly right now. Why would I go and waste money on a German brand that is only perceived to be better by people who don’t look any deeper than the badge on the boot. You only have to read the “have you blacklisted a manufacturer” thread to see all the people who won’t have another Mercedes or BMW. I was in a friends C Class the other day and it was almost embarrassingly blingy. What’s with the signature on the windscreen?

Thinking back, the last time I vaped was at a private party on the rooftop of the Doubletree by Hilton near London Bridge, not outside some flat roof pub in Slough.

If people look at me in my Vauxhall or while I’m vaping and think I’m council, I think it says a hell of a lot more about them than me.

[biggbn]

Deranged Rover said:

SteveStrange said:

Get a Mrs who hates it, and some kids - kids today look upon smoking as the worst of the worst.

Do they, though? My neice, who is 22, said that at her sixth form college you were viewed as the lowest of low scum if you drank alcohol or ate meat, but cigarette smoking and even cocaine use were absolutely fine!

Must be true then.

[Fermit]

Buzypea said:

I was in a friends C Class the other day and it was almost embarrassingly blingy. What’s with the signature on the windscreen

Jesus, that's up there with the Aston 'Power Beauty Soul' message on start up (and I say that aspiring to own a V8 Vantage)

[QJumper]

Deranged Rover said:

I remember talking to an old chap in a social club years ago when you could still smoke indoors. He was in a wheelchair, smoking away and both of his legs had been amputated at mid-thigh.

After a few beers the conversation somehow turned to smoking and he cheerily told me how his doctor told him that he'd lose a leg if he didn't give up smoking. He didn't and so the leg ended up being removed.

His doctor then told him he really needed to stop smoking otherwise he'd lose his other leg. You already know how this story ended.

I was in my early 20s at the time and genuinely didn't know how to react to his story. I didn't know if he was expecting me to congratulate him for standing up to his principles (sorry ; bad pun) or berate him for being an utter tt. I know which option I'd go with 20 years later!

You'd be fully entitled to berate him, as he wouldn't have a leg to stand on

[QJumper]

J4CKO said:

I do wonder if smoking affects the decision making bit of the brain

Kind of thinking five a side at 50 plus, having had two heart attacks and being fond of smoking and being in the pub most nights is not a great idea.

Perversely nicotine actually improves cognitive ability. At 50 plus, the biggest risk of playing 5 a side is injury, like tearing an achilles due to not warming up properly. Ask me how I know

[LunarOne]

Just watched this excellent video, and realised that it explains on a few levels why PH doesn't show interest in modern Vauxhalls. And finally, someone who can actually pronounce the word "Omega" correctly! Shame he doesn't manage "Testarossa"...

[FiF]

I don't have an issue with Vauxhalls. Yes some of their output over the years have been dodgy, and some are a bit bland and uninspiring but do a job of work, and some others are really quite good. Much the same as many other manufacturers, so nit really much more to say on that.

Now vaping. As a lifelong non smoker again somewhat ambivalent, but there is one thing that makes them worthy of the annoyed beyond all reason thread, and that's litter. Yes cigarette smokers left litter, a tab end. Not acceptable. But every day we find several of these brightly coloured single use vape devices just casually tossed aside. Bit more than a tab end, but a plastic device containing a single use battery with zero chance of decomposing or being recycled.

Ok it's not vapers universally, but utter twonts, should be sterilised to stop them reproducing. Bit extreme maybe, but not much.

No comfort to OP but if seen you'll be called a vape wker. Tough.

[Fermit]

FiF said:

Now vaping. As a lifelong non smoker again somewhat ambivalent, but there is one thing that makes them worthy of the annoyed beyond all reason thread, and that's litter. Yes cigarette smokers left litter, a tab end. Not acceptable. But every day we find several of these brightly coloured single use vape devices just casually tossed aside. Bit more than a tab end, but a plastic device containing a single use battery with zero chance of decomposing or being recycled.

Ok it's not vapers universally, but utter twonts, should be sterilised to stop them reproducing. Bit extreme maybe, but not much.

No comfort to OP but if seen you'll be called a vape wker. Tough.

What, because of those who litter them, because you don't raise other issues in your post? I have a disposable in the car, for if out and about and somethings up with my regular device. I had a few when my last device packed up, and without fail they were put in to a bag for battery recycling when exhausted.

Edited by Fermit on Saturday 18th March 17:14

Edited by Fermit on Saturday 18th March 17:15

[Jeenyus161]

My VX disdain comes in two forms:

Driving them
Looking at them

An ex had a Tigra and it was utter crap. I also used to work for a rental company and used to shuttle cars at Xmas to maximise rental volumes. As a result I've driven quite a few mainstream cars. There wasn't a single thing about the VX brand that I would describe as class leading. Nothing. Total white goods for those that don't care about cars. I also couldn't name a single one of their current line up that i think is good looking. Average, sure, but not interesting.

As for vaping - I just think it is naff and "for" kids. If you want to quit smoking, quit. Vaping is a hideous new trend, the risks of which won't be fully understood for years. They look pathetic and they stink.

[FiF]

Fermit said:

What, because of those who litter them?

In part yes, by association, plus the voluminous clouds of whatever. It's just an opinion.

Also you cite getting rid of nicotine, but there are increasing numbers of schoolkids admitting they are addicted to the vapes containing nicotine. Some of them deliver very high levels, extremely addictive. By you vaping you are indirectly encouraging others into a habit which also leads to addiction and littering.

No tars etc but if you want to quit then just effing quit. Easy for me to say, admittedly, having never started. Used to drink, not doing me any good, so quit. Just did it, no ooh I have to have alcohol free or low alcohol, made the decision, bosh.

So opinion unchanged. Sorry. Incidentally was introduced to the term vape wker after hearing it used by a number others, so not just me then.

[LuS1fer]

FiF said:

Now vaping. As a lifelong non smoker again somewhat ambivalent, but there is one thing that makes them worthy of the annoyed beyond all reason thread, and that's litter. Yes cigarette smokers left litter, a tab end. Not acceptable.

Littering is equally bad for either (along with the bottles, cans and fast food wrapper brigade).

At least vape canisters can usually be picked up and binned but are still pl;astic waste..

Now...cigarette butts. After 2 years, they are about 38% decomposed but it has been estimated that they can take 10 years or more to fully decompose because they are plastic pollution and also leach chemicals and heavy metals into the oceans and can kill marine life as they look like food.
18 billion cigarettes get smoked every day. 6.5 trillion every year.

On holiday at a resort in Fuerteventura, it is quite ironic how many fag butts are cast into the rocks and I do mean thousands of them because the hard of thinking seem to think they will decompose.

Tourists like to feed the barbary squirrels because "they're cute" but in amongst the same rocks there also dwell rats (which I and the more sensible tourists like as they are much of a much with any squirrel). Some think they are dirty which is ironically ridiculous when you look at the thousands of butts (which are also used by the rats for their nests).

Edited by LuS1fer on Saturday 18th March 19:40

[Fermit]

FiF said:

Fermit said:

What, because of those who litter them?

In part yes, by association, plus the voluminous clouds of whatever. It's just an opinion.

Also you cite getting rid of nicotine, but there are increasing numbers of schoolkids admitting they are addicted to the vapes containing nicotine. Some of them deliver very high levels, extremely addictive. By you vaping you are indirectly encouraging others into a habit which also leads to addiction and littering.

No tars etc but if you want to quit then just effing quit. Easy for me to say, admittedly, having never started. Used to drink, not doing me any good, so quit. Just did it, no ooh I have to have alcohol free or low alcohol, made the decision, bosh.

So opinion unchanged. Sorry. Incidentally was introduced to the term vape wker after hearing it used by a number others, so not just me then.

Regarding the school children point. It is illegal to sell vapes to under 18's. The fines for breaking this law, I'd imagine, will be fairly high. Again, I'd imagine it is a punishable offence to buy them on a minors behalf. I agreed with a statement (Zedleg?) that brightly coloured examples need banning, and also stated that I attempt to not inflict my 'smoke' on others. 'Just effing quit', would you say that to a Heroin addict? Also, when smoking, I needed a cigarette within minutes of waking. I'd imagine what ever issues you had with alcohol the addiction (if there was an element of) wasn't at that level. Finally, litterers will litter anything, whatever it is, they are prize prats. This is an idiotic reason to partly justify users as 'vape wkers'

[Captain Smerc]

ColdoRS said:

What in the 39p energy drink is going on here.

[fflump]

Buzypea said:

I drive a Vauxhall and occasionally vape if I’ve had a few drinks.

I work in IT for a FTSE 5 company in London and own a 4 bed house in a nice area in the South East; it’s definitely not council. Me and the wife are off to the theatre tonight, and yes, we’re going in the Vauxhall. It’s a 200bhp Astra K, all the toys I need and gets to 60 in 6.6 seconds. I like it, it suits my needs perfectly right now. Why would I go and waste money on a German brand that is only perceived to be better by people who don’t look any deeper than the badge on the boot. You only have to read the “have you blacklisted a manufacturer” thread to see all the people who won’t have another Mercedes or BMW. I was in a friends C Class the other day and it was almost embarrassingly blingy. What’s with the signature on the windscreen?

Thinking back, the last time I vaped was at a private party on the rooftop of the Doubletree by Hilton near London Bridge, not outside some flat roof pub in Slough.

If people look at me in my Vauxhall or while I’m vaping and think I’m council, I think it says a hell of a lot more about them than me.

Brilliant. This is satire I presume?