Vapes and Vauxhalls hatred
Discussion
Fermit said:
What, because of those who litter them?
In part yes, by association, plus the voluminous clouds of whatever. It's just an opinion.Also you cite getting rid of nicotine, but there are increasing numbers of schoolkids admitting they are addicted to the vapes containing nicotine. Some of them deliver very high levels, extremely addictive. By you vaping you are indirectly encouraging others into a habit which also leads to addiction and littering.
No tars etc but if you want to quit then just effing quit. Easy for me to say, admittedly, having never started. Used to drink, not doing me any good, so quit. Just did it, no ooh I have to have alcohol free or low alcohol, made the decision, bosh.
So opinion unchanged. Sorry. Incidentally was introduced to the term vape w
ker after hearing it used by a number others, so not just me then.FiF said:
Now vaping. As a lifelong non smoker again somewhat ambivalent, but there is one thing that makes them worthy of the annoyed beyond all reason thread, and that's litter. Yes cigarette smokers left litter, a tab end. Not acceptable.
Littering is equally bad for either (along with the bottles, cans and fast food wrapper brigade).At least vape canisters can usually be picked up and binned but are still pl;astic waste..
Now...cigarette butts. After 2 years, they are about 38% decomposed but it has been estimated that they can take 10 years or more to fully decompose because they are plastic pollution and also leach chemicals and heavy metals into the oceans and can kill marine life as they look like food.
18 billion cigarettes get smoked every day. 6.5 trillion every year.
On holiday at a resort in Fuerteventura, it is quite ironic how many fag butts are cast into the rocks and I do mean thousands of them because the hard of thinking seem to think they will decompose.
Tourists like to feed the barbary squirrels because "they're cute" but in amongst the same rocks there also dwell rats (which I and the more sensible tourists like as they are much of a much with any squirrel). Some think they are dirty which is ironically ridiculous when you look at the thousands of butts (which are also used by the rats for their nests).
Edited by LuS1fer on Saturday 18th March 19:40
FiF said:
Fermit said:
What, because of those who litter them?
In part yes, by association, plus the voluminous clouds of whatever. It's just an opinion.Also you cite getting rid of nicotine, but there are increasing numbers of schoolkids admitting they are addicted to the vapes containing nicotine. Some of them deliver very high levels, extremely addictive. By you vaping you are indirectly encouraging others into a habit which also leads to addiction and littering.
No tars etc but if you want to quit then just effing quit. Easy for me to say, admittedly, having never started. Used to drink, not doing me any good, so quit. Just did it, no ooh I have to have alcohol free or low alcohol, made the decision, bosh.
So opinion unchanged. Sorry. Incidentally was introduced to the term vape w
ker after hearing it used by a number others, so not just me then.kers'Buzypea said:
I drive a Vauxhall and occasionally vape if I’ve had a few drinks.
I work in IT for a FTSE 5 company in London and own a 4 bed house in a nice area in the South East; it’s definitely not council. Me and the wife are off to the theatre tonight, and yes, we’re going in the Vauxhall. It’s a 200bhp Astra K, all the toys I need and gets to 60 in 6.6 seconds. I like it, it suits my needs perfectly right now. Why would I go and waste money on a German brand that is only perceived to be better by people who don’t look any deeper than the badge on the boot. You only have to read the “have you blacklisted a manufacturer” thread to see all the people who won’t have another Mercedes or BMW. I was in a friends C Class the other day and it was almost embarrassingly blingy. What’s with the signature on the windscreen?
Thinking back, the last time I vaped was at a private party on the rooftop of the Doubletree by Hilton near London Bridge, not outside some flat roof pub in Slough.
If people look at me in my Vauxhall or while I’m vaping and think I’m council, I think it says a hell of a lot more about them than me.
Brilliant. This is satire I presume?I work in IT for a FTSE 5 company in London and own a 4 bed house in a nice area in the South East; it’s definitely not council. Me and the wife are off to the theatre tonight, and yes, we’re going in the Vauxhall. It’s a 200bhp Astra K, all the toys I need and gets to 60 in 6.6 seconds. I like it, it suits my needs perfectly right now. Why would I go and waste money on a German brand that is only perceived to be better by people who don’t look any deeper than the badge on the boot. You only have to read the “have you blacklisted a manufacturer” thread to see all the people who won’t have another Mercedes or BMW. I was in a friends C Class the other day and it was almost embarrassingly blingy. What’s with the signature on the windscreen?
Thinking back, the last time I vaped was at a private party on the rooftop of the Doubletree by Hilton near London Bridge, not outside some flat roof pub in Slough.
If people look at me in my Vauxhall or while I’m vaping and think I’m council, I think it says a hell of a lot more about them than me.
fflump said:
Buzypea said:
I drive a Vauxhall and occasionally vape if I’ve had a few drinks.
I work in IT for a FTSE 5 company in London and own a 4 bed house in a nice area in the South East; it’s definitely not council. Me and the wife are off to the theatre tonight, and yes, we’re going in the Vauxhall. It’s a 200bhp Astra K, all the toys I need and gets to 60 in 6.6 seconds. I like it, it suits my needs perfectly right now. Why would I go and waste money on a German brand that is only perceived to be better by people who don’t look any deeper than the badge on the boot. You only have to read the “have you blacklisted a manufacturer” thread to see all the people who won’t have another Mercedes or BMW. I was in a friends C Class the other day and it was almost embarrassingly blingy. What’s with the signature on the windscreen?
Thinking back, the last time I vaped was at a private party on the rooftop of the Doubletree by Hilton near London Bridge, not outside some flat roof pub in Slough.
If people look at me in my Vauxhall or while I’m vaping and think I’m council, I think it says a hell of a lot more about them than me.
Brilliant. This is satire I presume?I work in IT for a FTSE 5 company in London and own a 4 bed house in a nice area in the South East; it’s definitely not council. Me and the wife are off to the theatre tonight, and yes, we’re going in the Vauxhall. It’s a 200bhp Astra K, all the toys I need and gets to 60 in 6.6 seconds. I like it, it suits my needs perfectly right now. Why would I go and waste money on a German brand that is only perceived to be better by people who don’t look any deeper than the badge on the boot. You only have to read the “have you blacklisted a manufacturer” thread to see all the people who won’t have another Mercedes or BMW. I was in a friends C Class the other day and it was almost embarrassingly blingy. What’s with the signature on the windscreen?
Thinking back, the last time I vaped was at a private party on the rooftop of the Doubletree by Hilton near London Bridge, not outside some flat roof pub in Slough.
If people look at me in my Vauxhall or while I’m vaping and think I’m council, I think it says a hell of a lot more about them than me.
Fermit said:
Regarding the school children point. It is illegal to sell vapes to under 18's. The fines for breaking this law, I'd imagine, will be fairly high. Again, I'd imagine it is a punishable offence to buy them on a minors behalf.
My son is 17. Many of his friends vape and you see kids coming out of school, vaping, all the time. It can't be that hard to buy them. Police have far higher priorities.LunarOne said:
fflump said:
Buzypea said:
I drive a Vauxhall and occasionally vape if I’ve had a few drinks.
I work in IT for a FTSE 5 company in London and own a 4 bed house in a nice area in the South East; it’s definitely not council. Me and the wife are off to the theatre tonight, and yes, we’re going in the Vauxhall. It’s a 200bhp Astra K, all the toys I need and gets to 60 in 6.6 seconds. I like it, it suits my needs perfectly right now. Why would I go and waste money on a German brand that is only perceived to be better by people who don’t look any deeper than the badge on the boot. You only have to read the “have you blacklisted a manufacturer” thread to see all the people who won’t have another Mercedes or BMW. I was in a friends C Class the other day and it was almost embarrassingly blingy. What’s with the signature on the windscreen?
Thinking back, the last time I vaped was at a private party on the rooftop of the Doubletree by Hilton near London Bridge, not outside some flat roof pub in Slough.
If people look at me in my Vauxhall or while I’m vaping and think I’m council, I think it says a hell of a lot more about them than me.
Brilliant. This is satire I presume?I work in IT for a FTSE 5 company in London and own a 4 bed house in a nice area in the South East; it’s definitely not council. Me and the wife are off to the theatre tonight, and yes, we’re going in the Vauxhall. It’s a 200bhp Astra K, all the toys I need and gets to 60 in 6.6 seconds. I like it, it suits my needs perfectly right now. Why would I go and waste money on a German brand that is only perceived to be better by people who don’t look any deeper than the badge on the boot. You only have to read the “have you blacklisted a manufacturer” thread to see all the people who won’t have another Mercedes or BMW. I was in a friends C Class the other day and it was almost embarrassingly blingy. What’s with the signature on the windscreen?
Thinking back, the last time I vaped was at a private party on the rooftop of the Doubletree by Hilton near London Bridge, not outside some flat roof pub in Slough.
If people look at me in my Vauxhall or while I’m vaping and think I’m council, I think it says a hell of a lot more about them than me.
fflump said:
LunarOne said:
fflump said:
Buzypea said:
I drive a Vauxhall and occasionally vape if I’ve had a few drinks.
I work in IT for a FTSE 5 company in London and own a 4 bed house in a nice area in the South East; it’s definitely not council. Me and the wife are off to the theatre tonight, and yes, we’re going in the Vauxhall. It’s a 200bhp Astra K, all the toys I need and gets to 60 in 6.6 seconds. I like it, it suits my needs perfectly right now. Why would I go and waste money on a German brand that is only perceived to be better by people who don’t look any deeper than the badge on the boot. You only have to read the “have you blacklisted a manufacturer” thread to see all the people who won’t have another Mercedes or BMW. I was in a friends C Class the other day and it was almost embarrassingly blingy. What’s with the signature on the windscreen?
Thinking back, the last time I vaped was at a private party on the rooftop of the Doubletree by Hilton near London Bridge, not outside some flat roof pub in Slough.
If people look at me in my Vauxhall or while I’m vaping and think I’m council, I think it says a hell of a lot more about them than me.
Brilliant. This is satire I presume?I work in IT for a FTSE 5 company in London and own a 4 bed house in a nice area in the South East; it’s definitely not council. Me and the wife are off to the theatre tonight, and yes, we’re going in the Vauxhall. It’s a 200bhp Astra K, all the toys I need and gets to 60 in 6.6 seconds. I like it, it suits my needs perfectly right now. Why would I go and waste money on a German brand that is only perceived to be better by people who don’t look any deeper than the badge on the boot. You only have to read the “have you blacklisted a manufacturer” thread to see all the people who won’t have another Mercedes or BMW. I was in a friends C Class the other day and it was almost embarrassingly blingy. What’s with the signature on the windscreen?
Thinking back, the last time I vaped was at a private party on the rooftop of the Doubletree by Hilton near London Bridge, not outside some flat roof pub in Slough.
If people look at me in my Vauxhall or while I’m vaping and think I’m council, I think it says a hell of a lot more about them than me.
Fermit said:
Regarding the school children point. It is illegal to sell vapes to under 18's. The fines for breaking this law, I'd imagine, will be fairly high. Again, I'd imagine it is a punishable offence to buy them on a minors behalf. I agreed with a statement (Zedleg?) that brightly coloured examples need banning, and also stated that I attempt to not inflict my 'smoke' on others. 'Just effing quit', would you say that to a Heroin addict? Also, when smoking, I needed a cigarette within minutes of waking. I'd imagine what ever issues you had with alcohol the addiction (if there was an element of) wasn't at that level. Finally, litterers will litter anything, whatever it is, they are prize prats. This is an idiotic reason to partly justify users as 'vape wkers'
If a heroin addict really wants to get clean, they will do it. They might and probably will need help through certain stages, but they'll do it.kers'Can't give up smoking or vaping? Weakling. Yes I am being extremely unsympathetic over your supposed impossible 'plight'
I used to smoke Galoise, Malboro red, Capstan full strength etc. I used to smoke until the filter edge burnt. I had yellow fingers.
I started getting regular chest infections in winter. One day my GP said this affect may become more permanent.
I quit on the spot. I don't know why but I drank gallons of fresh OJ for a few months. Probably another 'fix' habit.
OP I couldn't care what car anyone drives. Everyone is a stranger on the road. I'll be honest I know what close friends drive but I don't form an opinion on them based on it and same with someone that I've just met. My first questions are how are you finding it/is it reliable?
When I briefly owned a 120D three door I was surprised just how much people treated me badly on the road. A really weird experience.
A vauxhall I can abide but not vaping or smoking. You wouldn't go into a chemical factory and breath deep in any vapours present so why do it in your home, car, work, bed.
I started getting regular chest infections in winter. One day my GP said this affect may become more permanent.
I quit on the spot. I don't know why but I drank gallons of fresh OJ for a few months. Probably another 'fix' habit.
OP I couldn't care what car anyone drives. Everyone is a stranger on the road. I'll be honest I know what close friends drive but I don't form an opinion on them based on it and same with someone that I've just met. My first questions are how are you finding it/is it reliable?
When I briefly owned a 120D three door I was surprised just how much people treated me badly on the road. A really weird experience.
A vauxhall I can abide but not vaping or smoking. You wouldn't go into a chemical factory and breath deep in any vapours present so why do it in your home, car, work, bed.
LunarOne said:
fflump said:
Buzypea said:
I drive a Vauxhall and occasionally vape if I’ve had a few drinks.
I work in IT for a FTSE 5 company in London and own a 4 bed house in a nice area in the South East; it’s definitely not council. Me and the wife are off to the theatre tonight, and yes, we’re going in the Vauxhall. It’s a 200bhp Astra K, all the toys I need and gets to 60 in 6.6 seconds. I like it, it suits my needs perfectly right now. Why would I go and waste money on a German brand that is only perceived to be better by people who don’t look any deeper than the badge on the boot. You only have to read the “have you blacklisted a manufacturer” thread to see all the people who won’t have another Mercedes or BMW. I was in a friends C Class the other day and it was almost embarrassingly blingy. What’s with the signature on the windscreen?
Thinking back, the last time I vaped was at a private party on the rooftop of the Doubletree by Hilton near London Bridge, not outside some flat roof pub in Slough.
If people look at me in my Vauxhall or while I’m vaping and think I’m council, I think it says a hell of a lot more about them than me.
Brilliant. This is satire I presume?I work in IT for a FTSE 5 company in London and own a 4 bed house in a nice area in the South East; it’s definitely not council. Me and the wife are off to the theatre tonight, and yes, we’re going in the Vauxhall. It’s a 200bhp Astra K, all the toys I need and gets to 60 in 6.6 seconds. I like it, it suits my needs perfectly right now. Why would I go and waste money on a German brand that is only perceived to be better by people who don’t look any deeper than the badge on the boot. You only have to read the “have you blacklisted a manufacturer” thread to see all the people who won’t have another Mercedes or BMW. I was in a friends C Class the other day and it was almost embarrassingly blingy. What’s with the signature on the windscreen?
Thinking back, the last time I vaped was at a private party on the rooftop of the Doubletree by Hilton near London Bridge, not outside some flat roof pub in Slough.
If people look at me in my Vauxhall or while I’m vaping and think I’m council, I think it says a hell of a lot more about them than me.
FiF said:
If a heroin addict really wants to get clean, they will do it. They might and probably will need help through certain stages, but they'll do it.
Can't give up smoking or vaping? Weakling. Yes I am being extremely unsympathetic over your supposed impossible 'plight'
As a stated before (and feel free to look it up for yourself) nicotine is fairly widely considered to be at least addictive as heroin, if not more so. So in light of the bold, why would a heroin addict probably need help, but not someone addicted to nicotine not? And please do highlight the post where I stated 'impossible'.Can't give up smoking or vaping? Weakling. Yes I am being extremely unsympathetic over your supposed impossible 'plight'
Hugo Stiglitz said:
My first questions are how are you finding it/is it reliable?
I feel the first point has been covered numerous times, but the latter, very. Probably the most reliable vehicle we/I've run.Ignoring none consumable/wear and tear items, this is all that has gone wrong in 90K. The drivers heated seat has stopped working, a common problem with the model. An electrical problem which has stopped the parking sensors and telephone voice control working (the problems arose simultaneously) Finally, the power tailgate has stopped functioning. This is thought by us and garages to be damage to the latch which meets with the loop (can't think of the correct term) attached to the body of the car. When opened manually it shuts electronically, but won't clamp locked without a push. This will partly be of our doing, with the amount of crap we've shifted including stuff like rubble. Not keeping on top of tidying this afterwards will have contributed to damaging it. Compare this to my bought new Saxo VTR, 18 warranty jobs alone!
I think the heroin/nicotine addiction equivalence is a bit of a red herring. With cigarettes, I think there's a big, grey area in which people struggle to distinguish between the "chemical" withdrawal symptoms (which I think are minimal in virtually all cases, and certainly much weaker than with heroin), and the difficulty of simply breaking any behavioural habit (which, although it can be dismissed as a matter of will power, is often incredibly difficult). It is much easier, consciously or not, to blame the former and overlook the latter.
But also, heroin obviously has a massive impact on your cognitive faculties. Somebody using it on a regular basis is likely to be making a lot of other bad choices e.g. neglecting family, not working - as a direct result of using heroin. A smoker is just as likely to be an idiot as a non-smoker, but their ability to understand and control their habits and choices is probably not significantly compromised as a direct result of using nicotine. In that regard, a smoker has a lot more rationality and resilience to draw on than a heroin user.
As for Vauxhalls, people should be given all the help they need
But also, heroin obviously has a massive impact on your cognitive faculties. Somebody using it on a regular basis is likely to be making a lot of other bad choices e.g. neglecting family, not working - as a direct result of using heroin. A smoker is just as likely to be an idiot as a non-smoker, but their ability to understand and control their habits and choices is probably not significantly compromised as a direct result of using nicotine. In that regard, a smoker has a lot more rationality and resilience to draw on than a heroin user.
As for Vauxhalls, people should be given all the help they need
Rumdoodle said:
As for Vauxhalls, people should be given all the help they need
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One which also made me giggle was last week, getting the MOT done on it. In the waiting room one of the staff had a lovely dog. We got chatting on the subject, which lead to talking about the woes of one of ours. An MOT tester there piped up 'all that s
t he's had to deal with, then you cart him about in a Vauxhall!' Some other interesting thoughts that aside.
Edited by Fermit on Sunday 19th March 10:12
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