Vapes and Vauxhalls hatred

[ZedLeg]

Lord Marylebone said:

Byker28i said:

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Still at least it's not the smell of weed, which in rush hour seems to come from 1 in 10 cars and about 30-40% of all vans

This.

Or walking down the street. It is absolutely everywhere. We regularly get contractors/tradesmen coming into our office who absolutely reek of it, having clearly just smoked a blunt in their van.

About 6 months ago, I had a couple of aircon engineers arrive in the office, who were there to service the suspended ceiling units and would be working up the top of ladders and so on, and I said to them "You absolutely stink of weed. You know that right?" and they just shrugged. Not one fk was given.

I don't care personally what people smoke, apart from I'm tired of the smell of it, but it just amazes me that they seemingly don't care about their driving licence or their job.

When I was a kid I worked casual labour. One of the guys I did work with was a tree surgeon who would be skinning up in the morning when he picked me up and would continue in the same way all day

[bodhi]

Neither Vauxhalls nor vaping are really my thing, can't say I look down on people who enjoy them though.

Well I do look down on vapers a bit, but only because they're dirty quitters

More seriously I did have a soft spot for Vauxhall in the late 80's/early 90's, when my dad owned a couple (including a mighty Belmont SRi) and would have loved him to come home in a Mk2 Astra GTE 16v onme day. Also not sure if it counts as a Vauxhall, but the Lotus Carlton is still one of my favourite cars and would be one of the first in the lottery garage.

More recent experience wasn't so great though - got lent an Astra in 2007 to drive down to Essex which drank fuel and crippled me on the way down and back up, and an Insignia around that point that was slow (a 1.8), difficult to see out of and didn't makle it immediately obvious whether you were in first or reverse. Comfy enough though I guess.

Only thing that stops me vaping is the taste - not mecessarily of the vapour, but no matter what machine I've tried, some of the liquid always leaks so you get a mouthful at some point, which is nasty. Health problems associated with it are massively overblown however - they won't give you popcorn lung or any other massively unrelated condition, and they are far better for you than smoking.

I still prefer smoking, although I am partial to Heated Tobacco or those Nordic Spirit pouches occasionally. Also worth remembering nicotine is probably less harmful than caffeine - it's just the classic delivery mechanism which was the problem - so harm reduction seems the way forwards.

[RazerSauber]

I think a lot of people who have a minor interest in cars will take Clarkson's scathing Vectra review as gospel. Even the VXR one they managed to make understeer horrifically by driving it like a tool. Those who go in with an open mind usually find that they're fine. They're not meant to be the absolute best of the best, they're just an average, everyday car. Reasonable in all fronts. They'll make some better than others, as does every brand. On the whole, Vauxhall seem to be a fairy decent car company and the new Vizor designs are quite eye-catching.

As far as vape goes, I dislike it, but I dislike it far less than smoking. I prefer that rubbish sugary smell over second-hand smoke any day of the week. A few people I know have never smoked but have taken up vaping without the nicotine due to peer pressure. Sounds odd to me. I do wonder if we'll have the same situation as cigarettes in years to come. They were declared healthy for a while before long term health effects were noticed and now they're condemned.

[kuiper]

Vauxhalls... driven many. I'm told they were good in the 80's. Everything i've been in, driven or seen suggests they are incredibly bland white goods cars for people that want 'an car' with few things going for them. Bland looks, bland drive, cheap quality. The Koreans and the likes of Ford are similarly priced but all have much more to recommend from a driving experience perspective and better quality inside and out at a similar price point. I honestly have never understood why they sell so many - they really are the Poundland / Tesco Value of the motoring world and even when they do try and do something more interesting (such as the VXR stuff) they are still nothing compared to competitors.

I vividly remember my dear mum getting a 3 month old Corsa C to replace her then 11 year old Mk1 Clio. The Clio was a better car in every sense than that Corsa - better to drive, better on fuel, better built, more space, comfier, engaging gearbox, bigger boot, looked better... despite being on a platform that was by that point maybe 15 years old? Her reason for buying it... 'I wanted a baby blue car and that was the first one I saw'. Says it all to me really. The indicator stalk came off in her hand about 6 months later and when I drove it a year into her ownership the glove box was being held on by gaffer tape, but hey it was light blue so that was fine.

I would get it if they were a bit like Dacia and tried to flog them all really cheap because they are just 'an car' but they don't. I don't hate them, I just don't see the purpose of them existing.

[Fermit]

PaulD86 said:

Loads of stuff, generally about reliability of VX.

Firstly, I do agree with you about the excitement element. Whilst I rate ours, it's never a car that you pick up the keys for, to go out for a hoon in, just for the sake of it. I also agree that the Corsa of the mid 2010's variety was a dog. A female mate had one, and it was nasty.

I'm just about to take our Insignia for an MOT re-test. It only failed on a damaged rear spring, with no other advisories. Not too shabby for a circa 110k car.

Edited by Fermit on Thursday 16th March 12:37

[Bennet]

Fermit said:

Styling wise I consider it very similar to this Merc. I have read on these very pages numerous people saying they think them nice looking.

You don't need anyone on the internet to agree with you or validate your choice of car. If you like it, that's enough.

Keep the car and quit the vaping. Nothing cool about vaping.

[Mercury00]

For some reason poor people are drawn to harmful things: scratch cards, smoking, vaping, drinking. In a few years scientists will find out all this unregulated vape juice sold at corner shops causes cancer, it'll be banned, and scrotes will find something else that's hazardous to health to replace it with.

Vauxhalls are alright though.

[Raccaccoonie]

Fermit said:

Really?! Vaping exposes you to far fewer toxins than cigarettes, and vapes do not produce tar or carbon monoxide, 2 of the most harmful elements of tobacco.

https://www.lung.org/quit-smoking/e-cigarettes-vaping/impact-of-e-cigarettes-on-lung

That report made clear: using e-cigarettes causes health risks. It concluded that e-cigarettes both contain and emit a number of potentially toxic substances. The Academies' report also states there is moderate evidence that youth who use e-cigarettes are at increased risk for cough and wheezing and an increase in asthma exacerbations.

A study from the University of North Carolina found that the two primary ingredients found in e-cigarettes—propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin—are toxic to cells and that the more ingredients in an e-liquid, the greater the toxicity.2
E-cigarettes produce a number of dangerous chemicals including acetaldehyde, acrolein, and formaldehyde. These aldehydes can cause lung disease, as well as cardiovascular (heart) disease.3
E-cigarettes also contain acrolein, a herbicide primarily used to kill weeds. It can cause acute lung injury and COPD and may cause asthma and lung cancer.4

You get one chance at life, I would want my lungs to be working as best as they can

[Fermit]

Bennet said:

You don't need anyone on the internet to agree with you or validate your choice of car. If you like it, that's enough.

Keep the car and quit the vaping. Nothing cool about vaping.

It was in response to it being a sea of bland, whilst a very similar design receiving numerous praise on its looks from these very pages. And agreed, we're all different, no qualms there. However, when every *third page of PH features VX bashing you tend to get a tad bored of the worn out rhetoric.

• - yes, I exaggerate.

Edited by Fermit on Thursday 16th March 12:53

[Missy Charm]

Vaping? Not for me. I've tried and simply can't be bothered with the hassle: if the vape thing hadn't gone flat it had burnt out; if it hadn't burnt out then it would need more liquid; if it didn't need more liquid it would need cleaning; if it was clean it would start leaking. It looked naff, was heavy and consistently frustrating to use. The final straw came when the vape pen thingy switched itself on and overheated in my handbag. We parted ways: it to the nearest bin and me to the corner shop for a packet of real cigarettes. Cigarettes have helped me quit vaping completely, by the way - I've not thought about doing it once since resuming smoking. Vape pens really are the electric cars of the nicotine world.

Vauxhalls? Some are all right but Fords do everything they do better. The good old days of the fast Carltons and Senators are long gone.

[Fermit]

Raccaccoonie said:

Fermit said:

Really?! Vaping exposes you to far fewer toxins than cigarettes, and vapes do not produce tar or carbon monoxide, 2 of the most harmful elements of tobacco.

https://www.lung.org/quit-smoking/e-cigarettes-vaping/impact-of-e-cigarettes-on-lung

That report made clear: using e-cigarettes causes health risks. It concluded that e-cigarettes both contain and emit a number of potentially toxic substances. The Academies' report also states there is moderate evidence that youth who use e-cigarettes are at increased risk for cough and wheezing and an increase in asthma exacerbations.

A study from the University of North Carolina found that the two primary ingredients found in e-cigarettes—propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin—are toxic to cells and that the more ingredients in an e-liquid, the greater the toxicity.2
E-cigarettes produce a number of dangerous chemicals including acetaldehyde, acrolein, and formaldehyde. These aldehydes can cause lung disease, as well as cardiovascular (heart) disease.3
E-cigarettes also contain acrolein, a herbicide primarily used to kill weeds. It can cause acute lung injury and COPD and may cause asthma and lung cancer.4

You get one chance at life, I would want my lungs to be working as best as they can

Which is why in my OP I stated 'comparatively a good thing'

Yes, they're not up there with a Tomato for being great for you, but they're a huge improvement on filling your lungs with tar.

[Raccaccoonie]

Vape pens help you start smoking lol

I think people use weak excuses to give up nicotine. My uncle died of a heart attack at 52, smoked all the time, that was enough to make me never get addicted, I have smoked.

Start running and tell me you can't give up nicotine.

[Fastchas]

I drive a 320D E91 at the moment, and when I have to have a hire car through work, I specify an auto.
Three times now I have been given an Insignia - two of this shape, and one the new shape.
I don't mid saying that I would gladly swap my E91 for either of the Insignias, although I wouldn't pay the £220 tax for the old shape auto. The new ones come in at £30pa, although I found the 1.6TD had a bit of a harsh engine. The 2.0TD was much more refined.
The new estate isn't much of a looker though, sadly. Great interior though.

[anonymous-user]

Fermit said:

Which is why in my OP I stated 'comparatively a good thing'

Yes, they're not up there with a Tomato for being great for you, but they're a huge improvement on filling your lungs with tar.

Slamming your hand in a drawer is better than slamming your ballbag in a drawer. Doesn't make either a great idea though.

I'd love to see the stats on how many people are vaping because they switched from tobacco and how many are vaping because they're thick as pig st and just started vaping for the sake of it. I suspect the latter group is larger.

I imagine the group that switch to vaping and then try to actually quit all inhalation based habits is smaller still.

It's your right to take up any habit you want as far as I'm concerned, but don't expect people not to think you're a bit of a Morlock if it's a habit almost exclusively found among Morlocks.

[Hub]

I do know someone who is never without a vape in hand who in their early 40s has just been diagnosed with emphysema and a very hard to shift chest infection. I don't know how much they smoked in the past, but, well... No thanks!

[Kawasicki]

Vauxhall (or Opel) hatred is a British thing. I think it comes from lazy journalism/sheep mentality.

I wouldn’t let others opinions bother you.

Regards vaping, it’s not really on my radar at all.

[Raccaccoonie]

Hub said:

I do know someone who is never without a vape in hand who in their early 40s has just been diagnosed with emphysema and a very hard to shift chest infection. I don't know how much they smoked in the past, but, well... No thanks!

There is not enough data as so new, but the indications do point to vapers destroying their lungs, with all the chemicals used in the bubble gum ste they puff. Madness really.

[Fermit]

stickleback123 said:

don't expect people not to think you're a bit of a Morlock if it's a habit almost exclusively found among Morlocks.

For the number of people out there who have smoked that is a ridiculous sweeping statement. You do know that Albert Einstein smoked? Yeah, he's a proper Morlock. If I were to state the old cliche of 'hairdressers car' about your MX5 would you be happy?

[Limpet]

Raccaccoonie said:

Fermit said:

Really?! Vaping exposes you to far fewer toxins than cigarettes, and vapes do not produce tar or carbon monoxide, 2 of the most harmful elements of tobacco.

https://www.lung.org/quit-smoking/e-cigarettes-vaping/impact-of-e-cigarettes-on-lung

That report made clear: using e-cigarettes causes health risks. It concluded that e-cigarettes both contain and emit a number of potentially toxic substances. The Academies' report also states there is moderate evidence that youth who use e-cigarettes are at increased risk for cough and wheezing and an increase in asthma exacerbations.

A study from the University of North Carolina found that the two primary ingredients found in e-cigarettes—propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin—are toxic to cells and that the more ingredients in an e-liquid, the greater the toxicity.2
E-cigarettes produce a number of dangerous chemicals including acetaldehyde, acrolein, and formaldehyde. These aldehydes can cause lung disease, as well as cardiovascular (heart) disease.3
E-cigarettes also contain acrolein, a herbicide primarily used to kill weeds. It can cause acute lung injury and COPD and may cause asthma and lung cancer.4

You get one chance at life, I would want my lungs to be working as best as they can

Biggest problem with vaping is that under 16s are doing it in greater numbers than ever smoked, even at the height of its popularity, and these people are developing the same addiction to nicotine that they would if they were sparking up a cigarette every school breaktime. Dealing with this problem is a massive headache for schools.

I have no doubt whatsoever that when we start to get data on people who've been regular vapers for 30+ years, there will be all manner of health consequences that we're not aware of today, just as we discovered when long term smokers started dropping with lung cancer and heart disease in the 50s and 60s

[anonymous-user]

Fermit said:

stickleback123 said:

don't expect people not to think you're a bit of a Morlock if it's a habit almost exclusively found among Morlocks.

For the number of people out there who have smoked that is a ridiculous sweeping statement. You do know that Albert Einstein smoked? Yeah, he's a proper Morlock. If I were to state the old cliche of 'hairdressers car' about your MX5 would you be happy?

When Einstein smoked the health implications weren't widely known or understood. Anyone taking up smoking or vaping in the last 30+ years made a deliberate decision to do something with a lot of well known and understood downsides for only the very thinnest of upsides, I don't think it plays to a cliche to say decision making like that is foolish at best.

I'd also say that both historically and in the present day the demographics for smoking and for vaping are really quite different, with vaping having a much more Morlock slant. At least smoking tastes and smells good, and cigarettes and cigars and pipes are cool. Vaping is just naff as all fk.