Vapes and Vauxhalls hatred

Vapes and Vauxhalls hatred

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mac96

3,223 posts

130 months

Thursday 16th March
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Strange thing is, Vauxhall have been through this sort of thing before. Back in the 70s they had a terrible reputation for rust, which if it had any truth at all, was based on models from the 50s.
70s Vauxhalls were no more rust prone than Fords, Austins etc, but the reputation stuck. And some of their late 70s models were actually not bad at all, at least in my perhaps eccentric opinion- Chevettes and Mk1 Cavaliers both nice things to drive.

Vapes? A bit sad that another potentially harmful habit has grown up so quickly.

PaulD86

1,534 posts

113 months

Thursday 16th March
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geeks said:
The Vauxhall snobbery is mostly because Clarkson didn’t like the Vectra, or something like that,
Mine isn't. It's from driving them.

My first VX encounter was a Corsa courtesy car in 2006, to this day the only car I've driven where the gearbox acted solely as a form of engine volume control. It was comically lethargic in any gear, but much louder in the lower ones. However, I'm not daft enough to judge a brand by an entry level offering. So when, some years later, I drove an Astra I was disappointed by just how dull it was. The Focus of the time, the MK2.5, was never a car I liked the look of, but it drove nicely at least. The Astra had no plus point. It was just borderline offensively bland. The Ford VW, Renault and Mazda offerings of the time were all preferable.

Fast forward to more recent times and employment with an organisation which had an agreement with a rental company which meant we got a saloon or estate for less than their budget i10 or equivalent. These were almost always Insignias, normally under 6 months old and in one of the higher trim levels. They were horrid. To give some credit, the quicker diesel variants had reasonable go for what they were, and damping was reasonable. But the rest was grim. Seats that gave me back ache (something which I thought was just me until other colleagues complained of the same), a gearbox which had so light a throw it felt Fisher Price in nature, and a chassis completely devoid of any feel. They also smell unpleasant, even brand new. I'm not sure why, but VX products always seem to have a new car smell which unlike almost every other new car, isn't nice. Quite an achievement. One of the ones I had as a rental looked identical to the OPs car and on the looks, I think the insignia is the epitome of close, but no cigar. It probably could have been made to look decent with a few tweaks but instead looks cheap and nasty. Which is how it feels. For balance, some Astras have had decent styling. The GTC, for example.

Then there is the reliability feedback of VX owning friends. My colleague who sits opposite has just had to replace hers after the engine gave up. At only 70k miles. Another colleague had a Corsa engine give up at only 40k miles. I am sure many run trouble free, but they are one of the brands I hear a fair few horror stories of from friends and acquaintances.

So, to answer the OPs questions, on a forum for car enthusiasts, VX hatred shouldn't be a total surprise. His car pretty much is the answer. He likes it, and I completely respect that he does, but many who have experienced one view it very differently to him. But hey, we all have unpopular opinions. I think the X5 was the car that ruined BMW, not the 2 Series Active Tourer as most others seems to biglaugh


Lord Marylebone

17,102 posts

167 months

Thursday 16th March
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ZedLeg said:
I smoked for years too, ended up quitting for good a few years ago. It's worth doing if you can.

I think there are going to be unintended consequences for people putting big quantities of simple syrup vapour into their lungs and lets not forget that nicotine itself is incredibly bad for you. Increases your stroke and heart attack risk by an order of magnitude iirc.
My understanding is that there are already various concerns from medical professionals about that very thing.

ZedLeg

6,518 posts

95 months

Thursday 16th March
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Lord Marylebone said:
Byker28i said:
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Still at least it's not the smell of weed, which in rush hour seems to come from 1 in 10 cars and about 30-40% of all vans
This.

Or walking down the street. It is absolutely everywhere. We regularly get contractors/tradesmen coming into our office who absolutely reek of it, having clearly just smoked a blunt in their van.

About 6 months ago, I had a couple of aircon engineers arrive in the office, who were there to service the suspended ceiling units and would be working up the top of ladders and so on, and I said to them "You absolutely stink of weed. You know that right?" and they just shrugged. Not one fk was given.

I don't care personally what people smoke, apart from I'm tired of the smell of it, but it just amazes me that they seemingly don't care about their driving licence or their job.
When I was a kid I worked casual labour. One of the guys I did work with was a tree surgeon who would be skinning up in the morning when he picked me up and would continue in the same way all day laugh

bodhi

8,382 posts

216 months

Thursday 16th March
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Neither Vauxhalls nor vaping are really my thing, can't say I look down on people who enjoy them though.

Well I do look down on vapers a bit, but only because they're dirty quitters hehe

More seriously I did have a soft spot for Vauxhall in the late 80's/early 90's, when my dad owned a couple (including a mighty Belmont SRi) and would have loved him to come home in a Mk2 Astra GTE 16v onme day. Also not sure if it counts as a Vauxhall, but the Lotus Carlton is still one of my favourite cars and would be one of the first in the lottery garage.

More recent experience wasn't so great though - got lent an Astra in 2007 to drive down to Essex which drank fuel and crippled me on the way down and back up, and an Insignia around that point that was slow (a 1.8), difficult to see out of and didn't makle it immediately obvious whether you were in first or reverse. Comfy enough though I guess.

Only thing that stops me vaping is the taste - not mecessarily of the vapour, but no matter what machine I've tried, some of the liquid always leaks so you get a mouthful at some point, which is nasty. Health problems associated with it are massively overblown however - they won't give you popcorn lung or any other massively unrelated condition, and they are far better for you than smoking.

I still prefer smoking, although I am partial to Heated Tobacco or those Nordic Spirit pouches occasionally. Also worth remembering nicotine is probably less harmful than caffeine - it's just the classic delivery mechanism which was the problem - so harm reduction seems the way forwards.

RazerSauber

1,961 posts

47 months

Thursday 16th March
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I think a lot of people who have a minor interest in cars will take Clarkson's scathing Vectra review as gospel. Even the VXR one they managed to make understeer horrifically by driving it like a tool. Those who go in with an open mind usually find that they're fine. They're not meant to be the absolute best of the best, they're just an average, everyday car. Reasonable in all fronts. They'll make some better than others, as does every brand. On the whole, Vauxhall seem to be a fairy decent car company and the new Vizor designs are quite eye-catching.

As far as vape goes, I dislike it, but I dislike it far less than smoking. I prefer that rubbish sugary smell over second-hand smoke any day of the week. A few people I know have never smoked but have taken up vaping without the nicotine due to peer pressure. Sounds odd to me. I do wonder if we'll have the same situation as cigarettes in years to come. They were declared healthy for a while before long term health effects were noticed and now they're condemned.

kuiper

181 posts

114 months

Thursday 16th March
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Vauxhalls... driven many. I'm told they were good in the 80's. Everything i've been in, driven or seen suggests they are incredibly bland white goods cars for people that want 'an car' with few things going for them. Bland looks, bland drive, cheap quality. The Koreans and the likes of Ford are similarly priced but all have much more to recommend from a driving experience perspective and better quality inside and out at a similar price point. I honestly have never understood why they sell so many - they really are the Poundland / Tesco Value of the motoring world and even when they do try and do something more interesting (such as the VXR stuff) they are still nothing compared to competitors.

I vividly remember my dear mum getting a 3 month old Corsa C to replace her then 11 year old Mk1 Clio. The Clio was a better car in every sense than that Corsa - better to drive, better on fuel, better built, more space, comfier, engaging gearbox, bigger boot, looked better... despite being on a platform that was by that point maybe 15 years old? Her reason for buying it... 'I wanted a baby blue car and that was the first one I saw'. Says it all to me really. The indicator stalk came off in her hand about 6 months later and when I drove it a year into her ownership the glove box was being held on by gaffer tape, but hey it was light blue so that was fine.

I would get it if they were a bit like Dacia and tried to flog them all really cheap because they are just 'an car' but they don't. I don't hate them, I just don't see the purpose of them existing.

Fermit

Original Poster:

11,192 posts

87 months

Thursday 16th March
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PaulD86 said:
Loads of stuff, generally about reliability of VX.
Firstly, I do agree with you about the excitement element. Whilst I rate ours, it's never a car that you pick up the keys for, to go out for a hoon in, just for the sake of it. I also agree that the Corsa of the mid 2010's variety was a dog. A female mate had one, and it was nasty.

I'm just about to take our Insignia for an MOT re-test. It only failed on a damaged rear spring, with no other advisories. Not too shabby for a circa 110k car.

Edited by Fermit on Thursday 16th March 12:37

Bennet

2,009 posts

118 months

Thursday 16th March
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Fermit said:
Styling wise I consider it very similar to this Merc. I have read on these very pages numerous people saying they think them nice looking.


You don't need anyone on the internet to agree with you or validate your choice of car. If you like it, that's enough.

Keep the car and quit the vaping. Nothing cool about vaping.

Mercury00

4,010 posts

143 months

Thursday 16th March
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For some reason poor people are drawn to harmful things: scratch cards, smoking, vaping, drinking. In a few years scientists will find out all this unregulated vape juice sold at corner shops causes cancer, it'll be banned, and scrotes will find something else that's hazardous to health to replace it with.

Vauxhalls are alright though.

Raccaccoonie

1,628 posts

6 months

Thursday 16th March
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Fermit said:
Really?! Vaping exposes you to far fewer toxins than cigarettes, and vapes do not produce tar or carbon monoxide, 2 of the most harmful elements of tobacco.
https://www.lung.org/quit-smoking/e-cigarettes-vaping/impact-of-e-cigarettes-on-lung

That report made clear: using e-cigarettes causes health risks. It concluded that e-cigarettes both contain and emit a number of potentially toxic substances. The Academies' report also states there is moderate evidence that youth who use e-cigarettes are at increased risk for cough and wheezing and an increase in asthma exacerbations.

A study from the University of North Carolina found that the two primary ingredients found in e-cigarettes—propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin—are toxic to cells and that the more ingredients in an e-liquid, the greater the toxicity.2
E-cigarettes produce a number of dangerous chemicals including acetaldehyde, acrolein, and formaldehyde. These aldehydes can cause lung disease, as well as cardiovascular (heart) disease.3
E-cigarettes also contain acrolein, a herbicide primarily used to kill weeds. It can cause acute lung injury and COPD and may cause asthma and lung cancer.4

You get one chance at life, I would want my lungs to be working as best as they can

cossers

3,666 posts

127 months

Thursday 16th March
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Mercury00 said:
For some reason poor people are drawn to harmful things: scratch cards, smoking, vaping, drinking. In a few years scientists will find out all this unregulated vape juice sold at corner shops causes cancer, it'll be banned, and scrotes will find something else that's hazardous to health to replace it with.

Vauxhalls are alright though.
Poor people are scrotes?


Fermit

Original Poster:

11,192 posts

87 months

Thursday 16th March
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Bennet said:
You don't need anyone on the internet to agree with you or validate your choice of car. If you like it, that's enough.

Keep the car and quit the vaping. Nothing cool about vaping.
It was in response to it being a sea of bland, whilst a very similar design receiving numerous praise on its looks from these very pages. And agreed, we're all different, no qualms there. However, when every *third page of PH features VX bashing you tend to get a tad bored of the worn out rhetoric.

  • - yes, I exaggerate.
Edited by Fermit on Thursday 16th March 12:53

Missy Charm

469 posts

15 months

Thursday 16th March
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Vaping? Not for me. I've tried and simply can't be bothered with the hassle: if the vape thing hadn't gone flat it had burnt out; if it hadn't burnt out then it would need more liquid; if it didn't need more liquid it would need cleaning; if it was clean it would start leaking. It looked naff, was heavy and consistently frustrating to use. The final straw came when the vape pen thingy switched itself on and overheated in my handbag. We parted ways: it to the nearest bin and me to the corner shop for a packet of real cigarettes. Cigarettes have helped me quit vaping completely, by the way - I've not thought about doing it once since resuming smoking. Vape pens really are the electric cars of the nicotine world.

Vauxhalls? Some are all right but Fords do everything they do better. The good old days of the fast Carltons and Senators are long gone.

Fermit

Original Poster:

11,192 posts

87 months

Thursday 16th March
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Raccaccoonie said:
Fermit said:
Really?! Vaping exposes you to far fewer toxins than cigarettes, and vapes do not produce tar or carbon monoxide, 2 of the most harmful elements of tobacco.
https://www.lung.org/quit-smoking/e-cigarettes-vaping/impact-of-e-cigarettes-on-lung

That report made clear: using e-cigarettes causes health risks. It concluded that e-cigarettes both contain and emit a number of potentially toxic substances. The Academies' report also states there is moderate evidence that youth who use e-cigarettes are at increased risk for cough and wheezing and an increase in asthma exacerbations.

A study from the University of North Carolina found that the two primary ingredients found in e-cigarettes—propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin—are toxic to cells and that the more ingredients in an e-liquid, the greater the toxicity.2
E-cigarettes produce a number of dangerous chemicals including acetaldehyde, acrolein, and formaldehyde. These aldehydes can cause lung disease, as well as cardiovascular (heart) disease.3
E-cigarettes also contain acrolein, a herbicide primarily used to kill weeds. It can cause acute lung injury and COPD and may cause asthma and lung cancer.4

You get one chance at life, I would want my lungs to be working as best as they can
Which is why in my OP I stated 'comparatively a good thing'

Yes, they're not up there with a Tomato for being great for you, but they're a huge improvement on filling your lungs with tar.

Raccaccoonie

1,628 posts

6 months

Thursday 16th March
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Vape pens help you start smoking lol

I think people use weak excuses to give up nicotine. My uncle died of a heart attack at 52, smoked all the time, that was enough to make me never get addicted, I have smoked.

Start running and tell me you can't give up nicotine.

Fastchas

2,501 posts

108 months

Thursday 16th March
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I drive a 320D E91 at the moment, and when I have to have a hire car through work, I specify an auto.
Three times now I have been given an Insignia - two of this shape, and one the new shape.
I don't mid saying that I would gladly swap my E91 for either of the Insignias, although I wouldn't pay the £220 tax for the old shape auto. The new ones come in at £30pa, although I found the 1.6TD had a bit of a harsh engine. The 2.0TD was much more refined.
The new estate isn't much of a looker though, sadly. Great interior though.

stickleback123

9,651 posts

176 months

Thursday 16th March
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Fermit said:
Which is why in my OP I stated 'comparatively a good thing'

Yes, they're not up there with a Tomato for being great for you, but they're a huge improvement on filling your lungs with tar.
Slamming your hand in a drawer is better than slamming your ballbag in a drawer. Doesn't make either a great idea though.

I'd love to see the stats on how many people are vaping because they switched from tobacco and how many are vaping because they're thick as pig st and just started vaping for the sake of it. I suspect the latter group is larger.

I imagine the group that switch to vaping and then try to actually quit all inhalation based habits is smaller still.

It's your right to take up any habit you want as far as I'm concerned, but don't expect people not to think you're a bit of a Morlock if it's a habit almost exclusively found among Morlocks.

Hub

6,080 posts

185 months

Thursday 16th March
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I do know someone who is never without a vape in hand who in their early 40s has just been diagnosed with emphysema and a very hard to shift chest infection. I don't know how much they smoked in the past, but, well... No thanks!

Kawasicki

12,262 posts

222 months

Thursday 16th March
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Vauxhall (or Opel) hatred is a British thing. I think it comes from lazy journalism/sheep mentality.

I wouldn’t let others opinions bother you.

Regards vaping, it’s not really on my radar at all.