Vapes and Vauxhalls hatred
Discussion
ZedLeg said:
So Einstein was addicted to nicotine, what's that supposed to prove.
It was in response to a massive over-generilisation of 'don't expect people not to think you're a bit of a Morlock if it's a habit almost exclusively found among Morlocks'As an ex-smoker yourself are you happy to be branded a Morlock?
otolith said:
ZedLeg said:
So Einstein was addicted to nicotine, what's that supposed to prove. Most notable historic people would have a habit that's frowned upon today. Opium - Charles Dickens, Cocaine - Sigmund Freud etc.
I think it's supposed to show that addiction is not entirely the problem of the stupid and feckless.With vaping, it seems like such a half measure that doesn't really solve any of the problems of smoking apart from possibly the public reaction to it. Even then though, some seem to get very annoyed by walking through a cloud of vapour.
I'm not fond at all of vaping but I suppose it's somewhat less antisocial than smoking.
As for Vauxhalls, I have no particular issue with them. I ran an Astra GTC 2.0 CDTi for about for years and had no problems at all other than one erroneous EGT sensor episode. I reset it with Torque and never had any other problems.
On the other hand, it gave me great economy when I was doing a daft commute (50
-odd miles a day, 40 mins either way). It was comfortable, spacious and great fun to drive. I really loved the HiPer Strut front end, it gave a sense of balance and tractability which was uncanny for the class/price.
I have also done many thousands of miles in Vauxhalls at work. They have improved massively over the past decade or so. When we first got the Astra H 1.3 CDTi models I thought they were the worst cars I'd ever driven. The change to the 1.6 CDTi Astra J estates was like night and day. At the same time they did away with the Vectra C and replaced it with the Insignia, which looked quite fresh and smart at the time. Obviously the Insignia fell from grace because of the sorts that bought it, rather than because it was a bad car.
As for Vauxhalls, I have no particular issue with them. I ran an Astra GTC 2.0 CDTi for about for years and had no problems at all other than one erroneous EGT sensor episode. I reset it with Torque and never had any other problems.
On the other hand, it gave me great economy when I was doing a daft commute (50
-odd miles a day, 40 mins either way). It was comfortable, spacious and great fun to drive. I really loved the HiPer Strut front end, it gave a sense of balance and tractability which was uncanny for the class/price.
I have also done many thousands of miles in Vauxhalls at work. They have improved massively over the past decade or so. When we first got the Astra H 1.3 CDTi models I thought they were the worst cars I'd ever driven. The change to the 1.6 CDTi Astra J estates was like night and day. At the same time they did away with the Vectra C and replaced it with the Insignia, which looked quite fresh and smart at the time. Obviously the Insignia fell from grace because of the sorts that bought it, rather than because it was a bad car.
Fermit said:
ZedLeg said:
So Einstein was addicted to nicotine, what's that supposed to prove.
It was in response to a massive over-generilisation of 'don't expect people not to think you're a bit of a Morlock if it's a habit almost exclusively found among Morlocks'As an ex-smoker yourself are you happy to be branded a Morlock?
Fermit said:
Jesus f
king Christ! What clue have you got about our income? We are far from poor thanks.
I'm sorry, I've clearly failed to communicate what I meant.king Christ! What clue have you got about our income? We are far from poor thanks. I wasn't saying that everyone who vapes or who drives a Vauxhall is poor.
I was saying that since both are relatively speaking better value, on average they will tend to appeal to those with less money to spend.
In the same way, if you calculated the average income of Aldi customers and of Waitrose customers, the latter group would have a higher average income. Of course, that doesn't mean that you wouldn't find some wealthy people shopping at Aldi.
And I'm further suggesting that this average pattern leads to people being snobbish about vapes and about Vauxhalls, by association.
Sorry, it genuinely wasn't meant as an insult, I was attempting to explain a stereotype not to exercise it.
Remember when Vauxhall did those VXR trackdays a few years ago? Pay £100 or something to drive range of VXRs round a circuit for a morning? Well at the time I was doing a bit of instructing and worked on these events, therefore we'd occasionally get a chance to rag them around a circuit when we weren't suffering from attempted murder by some wally who thought he was the stig..
Anyway I thought the whole range was pretty good as it turned out, the VXR8 was properly grin inducing and could go sideways for fun.. I'd still have one now (well maybe not given the crippling ved, and they're all a bit old now..)
Pretty much everyone who got in the Vectra VXR had 'heard' that it was an understeering turd. They were-if you drove it like an absolute flid, but with a bit of finesse they were good cars.
Vaping though, well it's just a bit naff isn't it?
Anyway I thought the whole range was pretty good as it turned out, the VXR8 was properly grin inducing and could go sideways for fun.. I'd still have one now (well maybe not given the crippling ved, and they're all a bit old now..)
Pretty much everyone who got in the Vectra VXR had 'heard' that it was an understeering turd. They were-if you drove it like an absolute flid, but with a bit of finesse they were good cars.
Vaping though, well it's just a bit naff isn't it?
samoht said:
Fermit said:
Jesus fking Christ! What clue have you got about our income? We are far from poor thanks.
I'm sorry, I've clearly failed to communicate what I meant.king Christ! What clue have you got about our income? We are far from poor thanks. I wasn't saying that everyone who vapes or who drives a Vauxhall is poor.
I was saying that since both are relatively speaking better value, on average they will tend to appeal to those with less money to spend.
In the same way, if you calculated the average income of Aldi customers and of Waitrose customers, the latter group would have a higher average income. Of course, that doesn't mean that you wouldn't find some wealthy people shopping at Aldi.
And I'm further suggesting that this average pattern leads to people being snobbish about vapes and about Vauxhalls, by association.
Sorry, it genuinely wasn't meant as an insult, I was attempting to explain a stereotype not to exercise it.
If you smoke cigarettes you know that you can't smoke legally indoors in restaurants, pubs, clubs, halls, etc. So most cigarette smokers will congregate at the exit of these places and inflict smoke on others walking in/out. 
With vapes, many vapists restrict the first few lungfuls, and then carry on and are oblivious to the plumes of vape they emit. And with vapes the "smoke" is thicker and lingers for longer. Many vapists think it's OK to vape in your car with the window open because it's not a cigarette. The sweet sickly smell just gets blown inside the car into the headlining. But they think it's OK, because they need to vape.
I have one friendship group where around 12 of the 16 people vape. It's fking horrific. They'll switch on their vape, draw, belch out vape which envelopes you in a cloud. They'll apologise, blow the other way and then forget and carry on as normal blowing vape clouds over you.
Someone on here coined the term "Douche Pipes" and somehow it is very apt.
With vapes, many vapists restrict the first few lungfuls, and then carry on and are oblivious to the plumes of vape they emit. And with vapes the "smoke" is thicker and lingers for longer. Many vapists think it's OK to vape in your car with the window open because it's not a cigarette. The sweet sickly smell just gets blown inside the car into the headlining. But they think it's OK, because they need to vape.
I have one friendship group where around 12 of the 16 people vape. It's f
king horrific. They'll switch on their vape, draw, belch out vape which envelopes you in a cloud. They'll apologise, blow the other way and then forget and carry on as normal blowing vape clouds over you.Someone on here coined the term "Douche Pipes" and somehow it is very apt.
I'm on my third Vauxhall now, they've all been pretty reliable, comfortable, well equipped and good value. For a daily car i don't need much more.
I've had a couple of Fords, but they enjoyed breaking too much for my liking, I became on first name basis with my mechanic. Also, a Focus though is marginally more fun to drive than my Astra(comparing 2017 cars), it's also more expensive, less equipment, more reliability issues, not quite as refined and an incredibly bland, cheap feeling interior.
Came to a similar conclusion comparing a Corsa and a Fiesta.
I also had an A Class hire car, it had a very flashy but awfully built interior, amd everything else was pretty crap, it was a real disappointment, I was glad to be back in the Astra! Also had an E Class hire car, that's a much different story, I miss the E Class
I don't vape though, nor do I smoke. I dont have a problem with people who do, but people who smoke or vape and blow their stinking cloud at people passing by deserve a special place in hell.
I've had a couple of Fords, but they enjoyed breaking too much for my liking, I became on first name basis with my mechanic. Also, a Focus though is marginally more fun to drive than my Astra(comparing 2017 cars), it's also more expensive, less equipment, more reliability issues, not quite as refined and an incredibly bland, cheap feeling interior.
Came to a similar conclusion comparing a Corsa and a Fiesta.
I also had an A Class hire car, it had a very flashy but awfully built interior, amd everything else was pretty crap, it was a real disappointment, I was glad to be back in the Astra! Also had an E Class hire car, that's a much different story, I miss the E Class
I don't vape though, nor do I smoke. I dont have a problem with people who do, but people who smoke or vape and blow their stinking cloud at people passing by deserve a special place in hell.
samoht said:
Fermit said:
Jesus fking Christ! What clue have you got about our income? We are far from poor thanks.
I'm sorry, I've clearly failed to communicate what I meant.king Christ! What clue have you got about our income? We are far from poor thanks. I wasn't saying that everyone who vapes or who drives a Vauxhall is poor.
I was saying that since both are relatively speaking better value, on average they will tend to appeal to those with less money to spend.
In the same way, if you calculated the average income of Aldi customers and of Waitrose customers, the latter group would have a higher average income. Of course, that doesn't mean that you wouldn't find some wealthy people shopping at Aldi.
And I'm further suggesting that this average pattern leads to people being snobbish about vapes and about Vauxhalls, by association.
Sorry, it genuinely wasn't meant as an insult, I was attempting to explain a stereotype not to exercise it.
No hatred for Vauxhalls here. My dad never drove anything else, I've owned several and i think they made some great cars. The modern ones are a bit dull, though.
As for vapers, like smokers I look down my nose at them because I have a low opinion of anyone who is feeble enough to need some sort of chemical assistance to get through everyday life. And lets face it, you do look a bit pathetic sucking on your little tube or box like your life depends on it, then disappearing temporarily in a cloud of strawberry bubblegum sickliness.
As for vapers, like smokers I look down my nose at them because I have a low opinion of anyone who is feeble enough to need some sort of chemical assistance to get through everyday life. And lets face it, you do look a bit pathetic sucking on your little tube or box like your life depends on it, then disappearing temporarily in a cloud of strawberry bubblegum sickliness.
vikingaero said:
If you smoke cigarettes you know that you can't smoke legally indoors in restaurants, pubs, clubs, halls, etc. So most cigarette smokers will congregate at the exit of these places and inflict smoke on others walking in/out.
With vapes, many vapists restrict the first few lungfuls, and then carry on and are oblivious to the plumes of vape they emit. And with vapes the "smoke" is thicker and lingers for longer. Many vapists think it's OK to vape in your car with the window open because it's not a cigarette. The sweet sickly smell just gets blown inside the car into the headlining. But they think it's OK, because they need to vape.
I have one friendship group where around 12 of the 16 people vape. It's fking horrific. They'll switch on their vape, draw, belch out vape which envelopes you in a cloud. They'll apologise, blow the other way and then forget and carry on as normal blowing vape clouds over you.
Someone on here coined the term "Douche Pipes" and somehow it is very apt.
I know what you mean. Sometimes I let people in my car and they start to breathe and even though I open the window their smelly breathe molecules are going into the headlining and I wonder how it will affect the resale value of my 10 year old heavily modified car, but they think it's ok, because they need to breathe. With vapes, many vapists restrict the first few lungfuls, and then carry on and are oblivious to the plumes of vape they emit. And with vapes the "smoke" is thicker and lingers for longer. Many vapists think it's OK to vape in your car with the window open because it's not a cigarette. The sweet sickly smell just gets blown inside the car into the headlining. But they think it's OK, because they need to vape.
I have one friendship group where around 12 of the 16 people vape. It's f
king horrific. They'll switch on their vape, draw, belch out vape which envelopes you in a cloud. They'll apologise, blow the other way and then forget and carry on as normal blowing vape clouds over you.Someone on here coined the term "Douche Pipes" and somehow it is very apt.
I just have to pretend I'm OK with it and resist the urge to ask them to keep their head out of the window at all times.
I too am part of large friendship group that most people in it vape and there's this bloke in it that talks about cars a lot and is always on his phone writing war and peace everytime we are all together. One time we had a group trip in a minibus and he farted. It was f
king horrendous. He went bright red and sputtered "B.b.buut you all vape!"... pretty embarrassing.Where did you say you were from again?
Deranged Rover said:
No hatred for Vauxhalls here. My dad never drove anything else, I've owned several and i think they made some great cars. The modern ones are a bit dull, though.
As for vapers, like smokers I look down my nose at them because I have a low opinion of anyone who is feeble enough to need some sort of chemical assistance to get through everyday life. And lets face it, you do look a bit pathetic sucking on your little tube or box like your life depends on it, then disappearing temporarily in a cloud of strawberry bubblegum sickliness.
Like coffee drinkers you mean? As for vapers, like smokers I look down my nose at them because I have a low opinion of anyone who is feeble enough to need some sort of chemical assistance to get through everyday life. And lets face it, you do look a bit pathetic sucking on your little tube or box like your life depends on it, then disappearing temporarily in a cloud of strawberry bubblegum sickliness.
bodhi said:
Deranged Rover said:
No hatred for Vauxhalls here. My dad never drove anything else, I've owned several and i think they made some great cars. The modern ones are a bit dull, though.
As for vapers, like smokers I look down my nose at them because I have a low opinion of anyone who is feeble enough to need some sort of chemical assistance to get through everyday life. And lets face it, you do look a bit pathetic sucking on your little tube or box like your life depends on it, then disappearing temporarily in a cloud of strawberry bubblegum sickliness.
Like coffee drinkers you mean? As for vapers, like smokers I look down my nose at them because I have a low opinion of anyone who is feeble enough to need some sort of chemical assistance to get through everyday life. And lets face it, you do look a bit pathetic sucking on your little tube or box like your life depends on it, then disappearing temporarily in a cloud of strawberry bubblegum sickliness.
"I need a Coffee"
"I'm desperate for a coffee"
"I can't do anything else without a coffee"
"We need to stop so I can get a coffee"
"I need another strong coffee"
"I'm gasping for a coffee"
Etc.
Repeat every single day. It gets slightly tedious if you spend any time with her. Her day and travels almost revolve around when she can have a coffee. She even keeps my kitchen cupboards stocked with her M&S filter coffees just in case she is round here and needs coffee and I don't have any. I gave up the vast majority of my caffeine intake years ago as I realised it didn't agree with me, and was giving me insomnia. I sometimes have one cup of tea first thing in the morning, but thats it.
I fully appreciate most people aren't as bad as my Mum, but I've worked with a surprising number of people who would come close.
457892345 said:
vikingaero said:
If you smoke cigarettes you know that you can't smoke legally indoors in restaurants, pubs, clubs, halls, etc. So most cigarette smokers will congregate at the exit of these places and inflict smoke on others walking in/out.
With vapes, many vapists restrict the first few lungfuls, and then carry on and are oblivious to the plumes of vape they emit. And with vapes the "smoke" is thicker and lingers for longer. Many vapists think it's OK to vape in your car with the window open because it's not a cigarette. The sweet sickly smell just gets blown inside the car into the headlining. But they think it's OK, because they need to vape.
I have one friendship group where around 12 of the 16 people vape. It's fking horrific. They'll switch on their vape, draw, belch out vape which envelopes you in a cloud. They'll apologise, blow the other way and then forget and carry on as normal blowing vape clouds over you.
Someone on here coined the term "Douche Pipes" and somehow it is very apt.
I know what you mean. Sometimes I let people in my car and they start to breathe and even though I open the window their smelly breathe molecules are going into the headlining and I wonder how it will affect the resale value of my 10 year old heavily modified car, but they think it's ok, because they need to breathe. With vapes, many vapists restrict the first few lungfuls, and then carry on and are oblivious to the plumes of vape they emit. And with vapes the "smoke" is thicker and lingers for longer. Many vapists think it's OK to vape in your car with the window open because it's not a cigarette. The sweet sickly smell just gets blown inside the car into the headlining. But they think it's OK, because they need to vape.
I have one friendship group where around 12 of the 16 people vape. It's f
king horrific. They'll switch on their vape, draw, belch out vape which envelopes you in a cloud. They'll apologise, blow the other way and then forget and carry on as normal blowing vape clouds over you.Someone on here coined the term "Douche Pipes" and somehow it is very apt.
I just have to pretend I'm OK with it and resist the urge to ask them to keep their head out of the window at all times.
I too am part of large friendship group that most people in it vape and there's this bloke in it that talks about cars a lot and is always on his phone writing war and peace everytime we are all together. One time we had a group trip in a minibus and he farted. It was f
king horrendous. He went bright red and sputtered "B.b.buut you all vape!"... pretty embarrassing.Where did you say you were from again?
We have a roadtrip in May. 2 of them are vapists. I'm laying down the law - my car, my rules.
You can vape when we stop for breaks.I don't hate all Vauxhalls, but the Corsa C has the honour for me of having THE single worst gearbox I have ever had to operate with their semi-automatic offering. On the plus side, working in the automotive aftermarket, they have paid my mortgage for many years.
The first Astra VXR, aside from having stunning understeer, were associated with the very sort of bellendery that we now see from A3/S3 drivers.
So, for me, some vauxhalls - great, others appalling. Plus the late 90's/early 2000s saw them slinging out some horrendously bland motors which didn't help.
But vaping?!? Really. Sucking on a load of syrupy ste vapour from a liquid imported from China, while blowing puffs of acrid sweet smoke into other peoples space?!?
It's chavvy/council or whatever you want to call it.
Having been buying product from China for nearly 20 years, I wouldn't touch anything like that without absolute certainty that every single batch coming off the boat has been comprehensively tested. Given the state of the pop-up 'shops' and market stalls selling liquid, I highly doubt that is going on.
Oh and those pen things where you just bin the whole bloody lump of plastic and lithium?!? How is that even legal?!?
At least a cigarette or cigar made you look cool. Has anyone actually switched from cigarettes to vapes and then stopped completely? The people I know that have switched show zero signs of coming off vapes.
The first Astra VXR, aside from having stunning understeer, were associated with the very sort of bellendery that we now see from A3/S3 drivers.
So, for me, some vauxhalls - great, others appalling. Plus the late 90's/early 2000s saw them slinging out some horrendously bland motors which didn't help.
But vaping?!? Really. Sucking on a load of syrupy s
te vapour from a liquid imported from China, while blowing puffs of acrid sweet smoke into other peoples space?!? It's chavvy/council or whatever you want to call it.
Having been buying product from China for nearly 20 years, I wouldn't touch anything like that without absolute certainty that every single batch coming off the boat has been comprehensively tested. Given the state of the pop-up 'shops' and market stalls selling liquid, I highly doubt that is going on.
Oh and those pen things where you just bin the whole bloody lump of plastic and lithium?!? How is that even legal?!?
At least a cigarette or cigar made you look cool. Has anyone actually switched from cigarettes to vapes and then stopped completely? The people I know that have switched show zero signs of coming off vapes.
ZedLeg said:
With vaping, it seems like such a half measure that doesn't really solve any of the problems of smoking apart from possibly the public reaction to it. Even then though, some seem to get very annoyed by walking through a cloud of vapour.
It's like the harm reduction strategies for opiates - you can live a normal and physically healthy life as a heroin addict if you're taking pharmaceutical diamorphine or methadone in controlled doses. It's the lifestyle and the unpredictable dosage and the crap the street drug is cut with that kills people. With smoking, it's not the nicotine that causes the physical harm, it's the other stuff you get when you burn leaves and inhale smoke. Inhaling a mist of pharmaceutical grade nicotine in a carrier mixture used in inhalers is nowhere near the risk. The flavour substances are potentially a problem, food grade or not, but I have trouble understanding the thought processes of people who say "that might or might not be harmful, thought probably not to be but not 100%, I'm sticking with the thing I know is definitely killing me"Lord Marylebone said:
You mean people like my Mum?
"I need a Coffee"
"I'm desperate for a coffee"
"I can't do anything else without a coffee"
"We need to stop so I can get a coffee"
"I need another strong coffee"
"I'm gasping for a coffee"
Etc.
Repeat every single day. It gets slightly tedious if you spend any time with her. Her day and travels almost revolve around when she can have a coffee. She even keeps my kitchen cupboards stocked with her M&S filter coffees just in case she is round here and needs coffee and I don't have any. I gave up the vast majority of my caffeine intake years ago as I realised it didn't agree with me, and was giving me insomnia. I sometimes have one cup of tea first thing in the morning, but thats it.
I fully appreciate most people aren't as bad as my Mum, but I've worked with a surprising number of people who would come close.
Yep - back when we had an office I always used to get grief from people for smoking - "Oh can you not get through the day without your crutch?" etc etc. "I need a Coffee"
"I'm desperate for a coffee"
"I can't do anything else without a coffee"
"We need to stop so I can get a coffee"
"I need another strong coffee"
"I'm gasping for a coffee"
Etc.
Repeat every single day. It gets slightly tedious if you spend any time with her. Her day and travels almost revolve around when she can have a coffee. She even keeps my kitchen cupboards stocked with her M&S filter coffees just in case she is round here and needs coffee and I don't have any. I gave up the vast majority of my caffeine intake years ago as I realised it didn't agree with me, and was giving me insomnia. I sometimes have one cup of tea first thing in the morning, but thats it.
I fully appreciate most people aren't as bad as my Mum, but I've worked with a surprising number of people who would come close.
They were usually the ones shrieking and downing tools when the coffee machine broke.
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