An epidemic of insanely slow drivers
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Holy crap. I thought it was just me being impatient until earlier this week when I was driving in a 30 down an empty road. In front of me were 6 or 7 cars all doing about 18-23mph. WTF. I realised it wasn't just me that was annoyed with her because one by one we ended up overtaking her. I've never seen anyone being overtaken by so many people in one go.
But yes, it seems that too often I'll encounter someone doing 10-20% under the speed limit. It's especially annoying when I'm in the slow lane on a 50mph D/C doing 50 and you have to go around some idiot doing 40 in the middle lane.
I might start that MLM looping thing.
But yes, it seems that too often I'll encounter someone doing 10-20% under the speed limit. It's especially annoying when I'm in the slow lane on a 50mph D/C doing 50 and you have to go around some idiot doing 40 in the middle lane.
I might start that MLM looping thing.
Wills2 said:
The state of the roads doesn't help, the volume of traffic and measures taken by local councils to cause pinch point after pinch point with their addiction to traffic lights and mini roundabouts play a big role as well, traffic calming turning straight roads into obstacle courses that bring the opposing lanes into conflict with each is another game they like to play, then you've got mobile cameras and fixed cameras plus average speed cameras, so people just switch off and bimble along dodging pot holes and thinking of better days past.
None of it is actually making the roads meaningfully safer, they are just pissing our money up a wall whilst closing public toilets (how very developing nation of them) ruining the street scene and going bankrupt in the process.
They should be tasked with making journeys as smooth and efficient as possible, but they are targeting just the reverse, increasing journey times, adding friction wherever they can, increasing stress, congestion and emissions.
Agreed None of it is actually making the roads meaningfully safer, they are just pissing our money up a wall whilst closing public toilets (how very developing nation of them) ruining the street scene and going bankrupt in the process.
They should be tasked with making journeys as smooth and efficient as possible, but they are targeting just the reverse, increasing journey times, adding friction wherever they can, increasing stress, congestion and emissions.
But until a decent road network is a vote winner, no politician is going to care.
You then get the slowies who won't keep up with the tractor or lorry so leaving too big a gap to get past both when you have a chance and no enough space to leap frog without having to push in.
I live in Worcestershire and the "Worcestershire Hatchback" is the bain of my life for just this.
I live in Worcestershire and the "Worcestershire Hatchback" is the bain of my life for just this.
trumpton7291 said:
To clarify, speeding avoidance via fake plates, laser jammers, or filling out your Stasi S172 declaration incorrectly should never be a jailable offence. That PCoJ is being misused to prosecute such minor offences is excessive.
Fake plates, jammers, lying on a form to the Police.All PCoJ. (Quite rightly)
Driving is governed by laws.
Broadly these laws are sensible and apply to us all, equally.
Using deception to break them is quite rightly frowned upon.
Using Waze, using your old 1990’s snooper lazer / radar detector, picking your moment carefully to drive at high speed and paying attention.
Not PCoJ, and funnily enough not prosecuted via any means other than being actually caught speeding & dealt with the normal means.
‘My friend’ regularly & repeatedly travels at speeds deemed illegal by the road traffic act yet by being sensible about it hasn’t been caught.
He informs me that when he does pick up some points he takes is on the chin.
150 mph is perfectly safe in the right circumstances.
70 mph on a wet motorway with bunching traffic & a fully loaded car on 4 barely legal tyres isn’t.
But the line had to be drawn somewhere and it works for most.
ChevronB19 said:
trumpton7291 said:
av185 said:
PCOJ is a serious offence nothing to do with speeding hence the jail sentence.
Using PCoJ for some relatively minor speeding ticket avoidance is an excessive overreaction. Jordie Barretts sock said:
ChevronB19 said:
trumpton7291 said:
av185 said:
PCOJ is a serious offence nothing to do with speeding hence the jail sentence.
Using PCoJ for some relatively minor speeding ticket avoidance is an excessive overreaction. Better?
Stick Legs said:
150 mph is perfectly safe in the right circumstances.
70 mph on a wet motorway with bunching traffic & a fully loaded car on 4 barely legal tyres isn’t.
But the line had to be drawn somewhere and it works for most.
'Most' meaning the mediocre who are not compelled to drive at 70mph anyway. Limit = maximum speed under all circumstances for all drivers.70 mph on a wet motorway with bunching traffic & a fully loaded car on 4 barely legal tyres isn’t.
But the line had to be drawn somewhere and it works for most.
trumpton7291 said:
To clarify, speeding avoidance via fake plates, laser jammers, or filling out your Stasi S172 declaration incorrectly should never be a jailable offence.
Ah thanks for that, I was wondering whether it was worth getting into a debate about this but you've helpfully used a nutter-identifier codeword to make it clear that it's definitely not. Stick Legs said:
Fake plates, jammers, lying on a form to the Police.
All PCoJ. (Quite rightly)
Driving is governed by laws.
Broadly these laws are sensible and apply to us all, equally.
Using deception to break them is quite rightly frowned upon.
Using Waze, using your old 1990’s snooper lazer / radar detector, picking your moment carefully to drive at high speed and paying attention.
Not PCoJ, and funnily enough not prosecuted via any means other than being actually caught speeding & dealt with the normal means.
‘My friend’ regularly & repeatedly travels at speeds deemed illegal by the road traffic act yet by being sensible about it hasn’t been caught.
He informs me that when he does pick up some points he takes is on the chin.
150 mph is perfectly safe in the right circumstances.
70 mph on a wet motorway with bunching traffic & a fully loaded car on 4 barely legal tyres isn’t.
But the line had to be drawn somewhere and it works for most.
Your friend sounds like a sensible pragmatic person All PCoJ. (Quite rightly)
Driving is governed by laws.
Broadly these laws are sensible and apply to us all, equally.
Using deception to break them is quite rightly frowned upon.
Using Waze, using your old 1990’s snooper lazer / radar detector, picking your moment carefully to drive at high speed and paying attention.
Not PCoJ, and funnily enough not prosecuted via any means other than being actually caught speeding & dealt with the normal means.
‘My friend’ regularly & repeatedly travels at speeds deemed illegal by the road traffic act yet by being sensible about it hasn’t been caught.
He informs me that when he does pick up some points he takes is on the chin.
150 mph is perfectly safe in the right circumstances.
70 mph on a wet motorway with bunching traffic & a fully loaded car on 4 barely legal tyres isn’t.
But the line had to be drawn somewhere and it works for most.
It's like the roads are filled with 90 year old woman these days and its insufferable.
I think the main issue is people just don't see the task of driving and getting to A to B in an efficient manner as the main thing they should be doing. It's now seen as a secondary task, most are thinking about something else, on the phone to someone talking crap, thinking about where they going to go on holiday and so on. They are driving zombies add that to the health and safety cowards it ends up where we are.
I think we are seeing the same in the work environment and that's why productivity in the nation as done nothing but go down.
I think the main issue is people just don't see the task of driving and getting to A to B in an efficient manner as the main thing they should be doing. It's now seen as a secondary task, most are thinking about something else, on the phone to someone talking crap, thinking about where they going to go on holiday and so on. They are driving zombies add that to the health and safety cowards it ends up where we are.
I think we are seeing the same in the work environment and that's why productivity in the nation as done nothing but go down.
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