Free dashcams issued by police for Operation Snap
Discussion
Unreal said:
Quickmoose said:
I had a NIP from a helmet cam, worn by a horse rider, who was stationary at the exit of a blind bend. All part of a similar operation here in the SW.
I came round that bend within the speed limit but was obviously concerned to see a horse stood there, so took avoiding action, to give space and slowed down, which sadly made the exhaust pop a bit
On my way back they had gone, but I received the NiP, drove the road again at the same time of day and filmed it showing where the sun would've been (behind the horse) and stated that given the fact I didn't know they were there I did a pretty decent job of it all.... noting that you should pass a horse at 10mph, I did add that I can't enter every bend at 10mph just in case, because that'd make me a risk to any traffic following on from behind..
I also added sincere apologies for the upset caused by my unmodified car's noise.
Case was closed.
It does appear that the human element of law enforcement is being replaced by film...
What was the alleged offence out of interest and was the rider named?I came round that bend within the speed limit but was obviously concerned to see a horse stood there, so took avoiding action, to give space and slowed down, which sadly made the exhaust pop a bit
On my way back they had gone, but I received the NiP, drove the road again at the same time of day and filmed it showing where the sun would've been (behind the horse) and stated that given the fact I didn't know they were there I did a pretty decent job of it all.... noting that you should pass a horse at 10mph, I did add that I can't enter every bend at 10mph just in case, because that'd make me a risk to any traffic following on from behind..
I also added sincere apologies for the upset caused by my unmodified car's noise.
Case was closed.
It does appear that the human element of law enforcement is being replaced by film...
123DWA said:
Timberwolf said:
I expect an uptick in cloned plates, obscured plates, the classic "keep it on the dash and flip it down while on the move" and of course just riding around without any numberplate at all as... well, who's going to catch you? Although "expect" is not quite the right word given enforcement purely via camera (public or otherwise) has been the norm for a while and therefore all of these already happen regularly.
I have been saying this for a while. You only have to drive around the ULEZ zone to see quite a few vans with a corner snapped off the number plate so the first or last character cant be read or up on the dash with paper covering half of it. I don't think your man in the street would run cloned plates but I do think people would try obscuring their plates. Hopefully it's just pilot in Hull and another sign that DfT's budget is excessive and can be cut.
Following on from https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Now instead of driving half the speed liimt, we're going to match the speed of a pedestrian. 20mph? Pfft. Let's try 10mph, some random brake checking, and other wonderful things so I can post videos to the cops and get a pat on the head or maybe even a blowie if I'm lucky.
Some things are worth saving but, like this country, once you're past the tipping point you might as well enjoy watching the suffering.
Now instead of driving half the speed liimt, we're going to match the speed of a pedestrian. 20mph? Pfft. Let's try 10mph, some random brake checking, and other wonderful things so I can post videos to the cops and get a pat on the head or maybe even a blowie if I'm lucky.
Some things are worth saving but, like this country, once you're past the tipping point you might as well enjoy watching the suffering.
Baldchap said:
I'd imagine they can't prosecute for speed related offences due to a lack of calibrated equipment, but prosecuting more antisocial or dangerous driving can't be a bad thing surely?
You wouldn't have thought so. However people don't tend to recognise how crap their own driving is. Or maybe they do and that's why there's so much hatred of dashcammers.....I’m all for this IF it is administered fairly.
When I first started driving as a teenager in east London, it seemed like the police were bloody everywhere. I’d get pulled up for all sorts of s
t.
But it taught me to ‘watch it’. And I did need to learn that lesson.
So if this sort of initiative combats the feeling of impunity that many feel allows them to get away with anything on today’s roads, then great.
When I first started driving as a teenager in east London, it seemed like the police were bloody everywhere. I’d get pulled up for all sorts of s
t.But it taught me to ‘watch it’. And I did need to learn that lesson.
So if this sort of initiative combats the feeling of impunity that many feel allows them to get away with anything on today’s roads, then great.
I wonder how many people will submit footage of their own bad driving to the Police.
After all, if it's dodgy it should be reported and the Police should make a decision to prosecute? Or can we safely predict that no-one with a dashcam will ever do something wrong when driving? Place your bets.
After all, if it's dodgy it should be reported and the Police should make a decision to prosecute? Or can we safely predict that no-one with a dashcam will ever do something wrong when driving? Place your bets.
Edited by Unreal on Thursday 28th March 19:35
Quite . There does seem to be an air of hysteria - many seem convinced that they are beset by homicidal drivers on every trip to the shops , many of us apparently are so scared we have cameras on our front doors and every time we see anything unusual happen our first reaction is to film it .
What a spineless and paranoid bunch of snitches we have turned into .
What a spineless and paranoid bunch of snitches we have turned into .
It is very strange what is considered aggressive driving.
If someone was dawdling in front of you on the pavement and you briskly walked past them stepping into the road that would be perceived as someone in a mild hurry.
If you jogged past them it would be considered someone in a real hurry, or someone out for a jog.
It never crosses anyone's mind that the behavior is in anyway directed towards them.
But pass someone's car and it is all about them, it's an act of aggression just to overtake someone.
If someone was dawdling in front of you on the pavement and you briskly walked past them stepping into the road that would be perceived as someone in a mild hurry.
If you jogged past them it would be considered someone in a real hurry, or someone out for a jog.
It never crosses anyone's mind that the behavior is in anyway directed towards them.
But pass someone's car and it is all about them, it's an act of aggression just to overtake someone.
Sorry for the thread resurrection; but I find this all very interesting.
It was only today, on another thread, that I came across Operation Snap. Fortunately I’ve had no experience, either as a “bad” driver or otherwise.
But the whole thing puzzles me; I’ve been sat here and ignorant about dash cams it seems, I always believed or assumed the whole point was to capture information in the event you saw a RTA, or, possibly more likely, someone shunted you and it was beneficial for insurance purposes.
But the notion the police - who I otherwise support, albeit conditionally and within the bounds of legislation and a healthy dose of common sense - are effectively outsourcing the collection of evidence to citizens, just feels strange to me. Isn’t this… well… what they are being funded for, and in turn, being paid for?
It was only today, on another thread, that I came across Operation Snap. Fortunately I’ve had no experience, either as a “bad” driver or otherwise.
But the whole thing puzzles me; I’ve been sat here and ignorant about dash cams it seems, I always believed or assumed the whole point was to capture information in the event you saw a RTA, or, possibly more likely, someone shunted you and it was beneficial for insurance purposes.
But the notion the police - who I otherwise support, albeit conditionally and within the bounds of legislation and a healthy dose of common sense - are effectively outsourcing the collection of evidence to citizens, just feels strange to me. Isn’t this… well… what they are being funded for, and in turn, being paid for?
Powerfully Built Company Director said:
But the notion the police - who I otherwise support, albeit conditionally and within the bounds of legislation and a healthy dose of common sense - are effectively outsourcing the collection of evidence to citizens, just feels strange to me. Isn t this well what they are being funded for, and in turn, being paid for?
I'm quite happy to dob in someone driving with two hands on their phone atop the steering wheel. And money to the treasury.But are you happy to be grassed up by some selfrighteous arse for briefly hitting 70 in a 60 during a perfectly safe overtake?
Why we have turned into nation of wheedling little grasses, eager to film and then report fellow citizens merits a PhD paper . Dashcams, phones , door bells - what the hell is worng with us ?
Why we have turned into nation of wheedling little grasses, eager to film and then report fellow citizens merits a PhD paper . Dashcams, phones , door bells - what the hell is worng with us ?
coppice said:
But are you happy to be grassed up by some selfrighteous arse for briefly hitting 70 in a 60 during a perfectly safe overtake?
Why we have turned into nation of wheedling little grasses, eager to film and then report fellow citizens merits a PhD paper . Dashcams, phones , door bells - what the hell is worng with us ?
More the point, is what is wrong with people committing the offences to be caught? I mean 70 in a 60 is illegal, did you not know? The speed limits exist for a reason. Unfortunately there are a lot of idiots either on the road or in life in general. What wouldn't you want a safer, better society?!Why we have turned into nation of wheedling little grasses, eager to film and then report fellow citizens merits a PhD paper . Dashcams, phones , door bells - what the hell is worng with us ?
coppice said:
But are you happy to be grassed up by some selfrighteous arse for briefly hitting 70 in a 60 during a perfectly safe overtake?
Why we have turned into nation of wheedling little grasses, eager to film and then report fellow citizens merits a PhD paper . Dashcams, phones , door bells - what the hell is worng with us ?
What’s wrong with us? The disappearance of police from the streets, unless on some mission, during which they are not interested in everyday minor stuff.Why we have turned into nation of wheedling little grasses, eager to film and then report fellow citizens merits a PhD paper . Dashcams, phones , door bells - what the hell is worng with us ?
This everyday minor stuff used to be dealt with by a pulling over and a telling off. This ensured that the feeling of impunity some feel today wasn’t allowed to set in.
In the absence of their own eyeballs on the streets it makes sense to me that they would take advantage of technology to give them that vision back.
coppice said:
But are you happy to be grassed up by some selfrighteous arse for briefly hitting 70 in a 60 during a perfectly safe overtake?
Why we have turned into nation of wheedling little grasses, eager to film and then report fellow citizens merits a PhD paper . Dashcams, phones , door bells - what the hell is worng with us ?
When does that happen? Dash cams aren't arbiters of speeding. And a safe pass at 70 on NSL doesn't cross the threshold of prosecution for unsafe driving.Why we have turned into nation of wheedling little grasses, eager to film and then report fellow citizens merits a PhD paper . Dashcams, phones , door bells - what the hell is worng with us ?
Putting others at harm on solid white line, different story.
I'm about to make myself unpopular here.
I have sent in videos on two occasions over the last year or so of bad driving. I was riding my (pedal) bike both times.
For context, I was knocked off and almost killed a couple of years ago, and it took me a while to get back in the saddle. Shortly after, I had a dangerously close pass on an empty road - the driver actually hit my elbow with his mirror.
At this point I decided to start using a camera. On my 7 mile ride to work, on a mostly straight A road, I encounter usually a hundred or so other vehicles. The vast majority of them are reasonable and considerate, but there is usually at least one that's either showing off or trying to teach the cyclist a lesson. I accept that there's always a minority of idiots out there (cyclists among them), so I tend to let most stuff go.
But on a couple of occasions, I've had cars pass at inappropriate times, with oncoming traffic having to take evasive action, hit the horn, flash lights etc.
I don't ride at peak times, there's no queue of cars forming behind me, and I'm not holding anyone up for more than literally seconds, so it's pure impatience and entitlement to force a close pass into oncoming traffic.
Both times I've sent in footage, I've received a response to say that it's been considered as actionable, though the final outcome is not disclosed. I assume it results in a course rather than points, and I'm ok with that. I've done a couple of SACs previously and they're quite informative and helpful, though possibly don't make THAT much difference if I've had to do more than one!
Additionally, I drive buses for a living, and the dashcam/CCTV on the bus has gotten me out of more trouble than it's got me in, so I'm generally a proponent for it.
I have sent in videos on two occasions over the last year or so of bad driving. I was riding my (pedal) bike both times.
For context, I was knocked off and almost killed a couple of years ago, and it took me a while to get back in the saddle. Shortly after, I had a dangerously close pass on an empty road - the driver actually hit my elbow with his mirror.
At this point I decided to start using a camera. On my 7 mile ride to work, on a mostly straight A road, I encounter usually a hundred or so other vehicles. The vast majority of them are reasonable and considerate, but there is usually at least one that's either showing off or trying to teach the cyclist a lesson. I accept that there's always a minority of idiots out there (cyclists among them), so I tend to let most stuff go.
But on a couple of occasions, I've had cars pass at inappropriate times, with oncoming traffic having to take evasive action, hit the horn, flash lights etc.
I don't ride at peak times, there's no queue of cars forming behind me, and I'm not holding anyone up for more than literally seconds, so it's pure impatience and entitlement to force a close pass into oncoming traffic.
Both times I've sent in footage, I've received a response to say that it's been considered as actionable, though the final outcome is not disclosed. I assume it results in a course rather than points, and I'm ok with that. I've done a couple of SACs previously and they're quite informative and helpful, though possibly don't make THAT much difference if I've had to do more than one!
Additionally, I drive buses for a living, and the dashcam/CCTV on the bus has gotten me out of more trouble than it's got me in, so I'm generally a proponent for it.
coppice said:
But are you happy to be grassed up by some selfrighteous arse for briefly hitting 70 in a 60 during a perfectly safe overtake?
Why we have turned into nation of wheedling little grasses, eager to film and then report fellow citizens merits a PhD paper . Dashcams, phones , door bells - what the hell is worng with us ?
Not sure they could charge re the speeding element as the equipment wouldn't be calibrated etc. It would be more about the visuals and whether the action was safe. Why we have turned into nation of wheedling little grasses, eager to film and then report fellow citizens merits a PhD paper . Dashcams, phones , door bells - what the hell is worng with us ?
The policy of using the public as witnesses is a difficult one to balance. On the one hand, you have scenarios where the person being recorded would clearly be the menace and hazed to everyone else while the other side of that coin is the person recording who is the menace to society.
As we see with cycling footage, there are those pit at genuine risk by an idiot driver where we would all benefit from that driver being chastised but simultaneously, we have all seen footage, or witnessed first hand, of cyclists who are the menace by deliberately instigating confrontations.
coppice said:
But are you happy to be grassed up by some selfrighteous arse for briefly hitting 70 in a 60 during a perfectly safe overtake?
Why we have turned into nation of wheedling little grasses, eager to film and then report fellow citizens merits a PhD paper . Dashcams, phones , door bells - what the hell is worng with us ?
The problem is there are too many self entitled pricks on the road who eitherWhy we have turned into nation of wheedling little grasses, eager to film and then report fellow citizens merits a PhD paper . Dashcams, phones , door bells - what the hell is worng with us ?
1. Genuinely don’t realise how bad their driving is and/or
2. Are such ar5eholes they don’t care.
On PH where we all enjoy driving you’d think people would want high standards to be maintained and the at5eholes punished . It’s surprising that some people resent dash cams
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