RE: Ineos shows new prototype Grenadier V8 at FoS
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Wheel Turned Out said:
Cups Renault said:
Ah the Ratcliffe mobile
You'd have to be pretty dense of thinking and utterly lacking in social conscience for your country if you buy one of these Chinese knock off style vehicles.
All to help line the pockets of the billionaire grifter
Are there any threads you leave an actual positive comment on? You'd have to be pretty dense of thinking and utterly lacking in social conscience for your country if you buy one of these Chinese knock off style vehicles.
All to help line the pockets of the billionaire grifter
So proud to see all those Union flags and the factory in South Wales doing so well.....😉
It still looks crap no matter what is put in it or on it, especially a 6.2 Ltr lump of under performance with a Chevy LS3 - 431hp and 461lb ft of torque. Land Rover's V8 is 5.0L and 525hp and 461lb in the 90 & much the same in the 130.
What is the point of these?
WIll be sold by Ineos within a few years.
It still looks crap no matter what is put in it or on it, especially a 6.2 Ltr lump of under performance with a Chevy LS3 - 431hp and 461lb ft of torque. Land Rover's V8 is 5.0L and 525hp and 461lb in the 90 & much the same in the 130.
What is the point of these?
WIll be sold by Ineos within a few years.
AmyRichardson said:
Ineos sells more than enough vehicles to fall under normal regs, maybe not the fleet average stuff but it'll stay need to hit emission standard.
I am not sure that is actual true at the moment. According to the SMMT ( https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrati...) they've sold 146 cars in the first 5 months of the year. Extrapolated out for the whole year that's only 350 cars.I wish them well, I really do, but they are in a tricky spot.
Edited by BillyB on Friday 12th July 17:23
BillyB said:
AmyRichardson said:
Ineos sells more than enough vehicles to fall under normal regs, maybe not the fleet average stuff but it'll stay need to hit emission standard.
I am not sure that is actual true at the moment. According to the SMMT (https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrations/) they've sold 146 cars in the first 5 months of the year. Extrapolated out for the whole year that's only 350 cars.I wish them well, I really do, but they are in a tricky spot.
I have seen a few Ineos going about locally (NE Scotland) though.
smilo996 said:
So proud to see all those Union flags and the factory in South Wales doing so well.....??
It still looks crap no matter what is put in it or on it, especially a 6.2 Ltr lump of under performance with a Chevy LS3 - 431hp and 461lb ft of torque. Land Rover's V8 is 5.0L and 525hp and 461lb in the 90 & much the same in the 130.
What is the point of these?
WIll be sold by Ineos within a few years.
As noted it's a publicity thing, and using an LS3 kit is the shortest route from A to V8. If they'd wanted a a ton of power they could have ponied a couple of grand more for an LS9 (which mates up exactly the same), but they didn't.It still looks crap no matter what is put in it or on it, especially a 6.2 Ltr lump of under performance with a Chevy LS3 - 431hp and 461lb ft of torque. Land Rover's V8 is 5.0L and 525hp and 461lb in the 90 & much the same in the 130.
What is the point of these?
WIll be sold by Ineos within a few years.
But, christ, I hadn't realised what a nose-dive sales had taken. Who would have guessed.
Well, I'm going to go against the grain here and stick up for the Grenadier. I've just bought a lightly used Utility and love it. It feels well made (way better than the supposed bastion of quality, my Toyota Hi-Lux which it has replaced) I like the look of it which clearly is a subjective opinion, it tows well and my local dealer is Grange, where I have my DBS serviced and they understand what "Service" means. Been a Land Rover owner for years (mainly Commercials and numerous Range Rovers) but their service and dealers are no longer where they should be, likewise their reliability.
The steering was not a problem after two or three junctions and the floor lump doesn't bother me (I'm 6'3"). I wasn't that keen until I kicked the tires of one - they're way better in the flesh than they look and despite having a garage full of exotica, its the car I like driving the most.
As a final disagreement with the naysayers, I can't help but admire what Jim Ratcliffe and his team have done - it's a great bit of kit.
The steering was not a problem after two or three junctions and the floor lump doesn't bother me (I'm 6'3"). I wasn't that keen until I kicked the tires of one - they're way better in the flesh than they look and despite having a garage full of exotica, its the car I like driving the most.
As a final disagreement with the naysayers, I can't help but admire what Jim Ratcliffe and his team have done - it's a great bit of kit.
Pistaaah said:
Well, I'm going to go against the grain here and stick up for the Grenadier. I've just bought a lightly used Utility and love it. It feels well made (way better than the supposed bastion of quality, my Toyota Hi-Lux which it has replaced) I like the look of it which clearly is a subjective opinion, it tows well and my local dealer is Grange, where I have my DBS serviced and they understand what "Service" means. Been a Land Rover owner for years (mainly Commercials and numerous Range Rovers) but their service and dealers are no longer where they should be, likewise their reliability.
The steering was not a problem after two or three junctions and the floor lump doesn't bother me (I'm 6'3"). I wasn't that keen until I kicked the tires of one - they're way better in the flesh than they look and despite having a garage full of exotica, its the car I like driving the most.
As a final disagreement with the naysayers, I can't help but admire what Jim Ratcliffe and his team have done - it's a great bit of kit.
Alright, Jim. We know it’s you :-DThe steering was not a problem after two or three junctions and the floor lump doesn't bother me (I'm 6'3"). I wasn't that keen until I kicked the tires of one - they're way better in the flesh than they look and despite having a garage full of exotica, its the car I like driving the most.
As a final disagreement with the naysayers, I can't help but admire what Jim Ratcliffe and his team have done - it's a great bit of kit.
smilo996 said:
So proud to see all those Union flags and the factory in South Wales doing so well.....??
It still looks crap no matter what is put in it or on it, especially a 6.2 Ltr lump of under performance with a Chevy LS3 - 431hp and 461lb ft of torque. Land Rover's V8 is 5.0L and 525hp and 461lb in the 90 & much the same in the 130.
What is the point of these?
WIll be sold by Ineos within a few years.
As noted it's a publicity thing, and using an LS3 kit is the shortest route from A to V8. If they'd wanted a a ton of power they could have ponied a couple of grand more for an LS9 (which mates up exactly the same), but they didn't.It still looks crap no matter what is put in it or on it, especially a 6.2 Ltr lump of under performance with a Chevy LS3 - 431hp and 461lb ft of torque. Land Rover's V8 is 5.0L and 525hp and 461lb in the 90 & much the same in the 130.
What is the point of these?
WIll be sold by Ineos within a few years.
But, christ, I hadn't realised what a nose-dive sales had taken. Who would have guessed.
eliot said:
Non supercharged LS isn’t powerful enough for this vehicle.
It's the right choice to stick with the ethos of being rugged and simple. Swerving big, cumbersome DOHC units makes a lot of sense. Plus, these are all very clearly aimed at the US market where the LS can not only be fixed in any town but also modded in any garage. You stick the SC system on yourself and because the LS is a pushrod SOHC unit it's small so there is usually lots of space to do so.
It'll frighten people in the U.K. who need German all the way for their engines but for where this is going to be sold it's the reverse.
hidetheelephants said:
Is this just a PR shoot or real? I can't see one of these being remotely suitable for that job, the RNLI have much better things purpose-built for wading in the oggin that won't stop working or rust to bits in 12 months.
You'd certainly hope that a charity that is typically frugal with its spending (look at the age of the outboard) didn't pay money for a Grenadier but was given it as a tax write off by Ineos in exchange for PR. I agree with the above poster about how impressive they are in the flesh - as a long term Land Cruiser/Hilux owner I expected to hate it but it really does feel special in person, in a way that few other modern cars do.
Not sure about the RNLI but I believe they've sold quite a few to various Mountain Rescue organisations so it wouldn't surprise me. I suspect with the build quality, heavy duty engineering and fully galvanised chassis/body etc they're probably quite a good buy for such organisations who tend to keep vehicles for the very long term.
Quite a long waiting list for them in the States I believe too for those worried about Ineos' future! Like the Land Cruiser they were always going to be a niche market in countries like the UK where a chintzy interior, 20+ inch alloys, blacked out windows and a LR badge are all too often the most important buying criteria.
Not sure about the RNLI but I believe they've sold quite a few to various Mountain Rescue organisations so it wouldn't surprise me. I suspect with the build quality, heavy duty engineering and fully galvanised chassis/body etc they're probably quite a good buy for such organisations who tend to keep vehicles for the very long term.
Quite a long waiting list for them in the States I believe too for those worried about Ineos' future! Like the Land Cruiser they were always going to be a niche market in countries like the UK where a chintzy interior, 20+ inch alloys, blacked out windows and a LR badge are all too often the most important buying criteria.
Edited by Snow and Rocks on Saturday 13th July 17:07
DonkeyApple said:
It's the right choice to stick with the ethos of being rugged and simple. Swerving big, cumbersome DOHC units makes a lot of sense. Plus, these are all very clearly aimed at the US market where the LS can not only be fixed in any town but also modded in any garage.
You stick the SC system on yourself and because the LS is a pushrod SOHC unit it's small so there is usually lots of space to do so.
It'll frighten people in the U.K. who need German all the way for their engines but for where this is going to be sold it's the reverse.
I said non supercharged LS - they could of picked an LSA or LS9 etc, but for some reason chose pretty much the lowest powered LS variant you can buy - 500/600bhp would of made a much better marketing opportunity You stick the SC system on yourself and because the LS is a pushrod SOHC unit it's small so there is usually lots of space to do so.
It'll frighten people in the U.K. who need German all the way for their engines but for where this is going to be sold it's the reverse.
eliot said:
DonkeyApple said:
It's the right choice to stick with the ethos of being rugged and simple. Swerving big, cumbersome DOHC units makes a lot of sense. Plus, these are all very clearly aimed at the US market where the LS can not only be fixed in any town but also modded in any garage.
You stick the SC system on yourself and because the LS is a pushrod SOHC unit it's small so there is usually lots of space to do so.
It'll frighten people in the U.K. who need German all the way for their engines but for where this is going to be sold it's the reverse.
I said non supercharged LS - they could of picked an LSA or LS9 etc, but for some reason chose pretty much the lowest powered LS variant you can buy - 500/600bhp would of made a much better marketing opportunity You stick the SC system on yourself and because the LS is a pushrod SOHC unit it's small so there is usually lots of space to do so.
It'll frighten people in the U.K. who need German all the way for their engines but for where this is going to be sold it's the reverse.
They can stick an SC on themselves later or a modding house can etc.
The car park of a glass-fronted corporate headquarters, Southern England, present day. Two directors drive in, one behind the other, and park in their respective, executive spaces near the front door. They dismount and converse:
'Hey! Eric! So, I see you've, like, got a new car. Bit bigger than my hybrid, erm, you know. Well I think it's like, Chinese or something. Yah. So shall we get a matcha tea from the guy in the lobby? It's pretty good.'
'Well met, Jonathan; you notice, perchance, that I've exchanged some of the King's spondulicks for this fine Yarmouth Bloater. You see, Jonathan, she's what's known as an Ineos Grenadier Arcane Works Detour. That means she's got a straight-through exhaust pipe of the sort that might set a few curtains twitching on the commute, if you know what I mean - nudge-nudge, wink-wink. A few bored housewives still in their negligee looking out of the bedroom window and thinking "off he goes with his enhanced sound character and Bridge of Weir leather". Leather, Jonathan! Nudge-nudge, wink-wink.'
'Yah, great Eric. Let's grab a matcha tea?'
'Jonathan! You know me, never averse to lifting the old elbow. But first I'd just like to point out the paint on the old Grennie: Storm Force Silver. Storm Force Silver! What a colour...'
I couldn't care less about his jeep, but old soapy-bubbles has a wonderful line in naff nomenclature.
'Hey! Eric! So, I see you've, like, got a new car. Bit bigger than my hybrid, erm, you know. Well I think it's like, Chinese or something. Yah. So shall we get a matcha tea from the guy in the lobby? It's pretty good.'
'Well met, Jonathan; you notice, perchance, that I've exchanged some of the King's spondulicks for this fine Yarmouth Bloater. You see, Jonathan, she's what's known as an Ineos Grenadier Arcane Works Detour. That means she's got a straight-through exhaust pipe of the sort that might set a few curtains twitching on the commute, if you know what I mean - nudge-nudge, wink-wink. A few bored housewives still in their negligee looking out of the bedroom window and thinking "off he goes with his enhanced sound character and Bridge of Weir leather". Leather, Jonathan! Nudge-nudge, wink-wink.'
'Yah, great Eric. Let's grab a matcha tea?'
'Jonathan! You know me, never averse to lifting the old elbow. But first I'd just like to point out the paint on the old Grennie: Storm Force Silver. Storm Force Silver! What a colour...'
I couldn't care less about his jeep, but old soapy-bubbles has a wonderful line in naff nomenclature.
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