RE: Staggering Red Bull RB17 revealed at Goodwood
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jonosterman said:
AIUI a modern F1 car generate 2-3000kg of downforce at 150mph and weighs roughly 800kg, i.e. 2.5 - 3.75 times as much downforce as weight. This car by comparison manages just 1.9x.
This has a slightly better power to weight of 1,300 vs. 1,250 for an F1 car, but with that huge difference in downforce, surely this will be a long way from actual F1 car performance?
Given that this isn't road legal, and has been designed 'without motorsport rules holding development back', how is it still not as fast as an F1 car, that is so often described as being hobbled by all the regulations?
Active suspension to allow for a much better window of downforce usability probably has quite a lot of times to do with it.This has a slightly better power to weight of 1,300 vs. 1,250 for an F1 car, but with that huge difference in downforce, surely this will be a long way from actual F1 car performance?
Given that this isn't road legal, and has been designed 'without motorsport rules holding development back', how is it still not as fast as an F1 car, that is so often described as being hobbled by all the regulations?
Utterly pointless as a road car, as a thing? Not exactly something beautiful. I normally hate comments like this as we shod probably just appreciate it exists but it does look al a bit pointless. I'd be sending my theoretical millions to Gordon Murray's bank account for something that I cold actually use and enjoy.
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Will this include Horner sending your wife or daughter dick pics and banning your dad from driving the car on a whim perhaps?jonosterman said:
AIUI a modern F1 car generate 2-3000kg of downforce at 150mph and weighs roughly 800kg, i.e. 2.5 - 3.75 times as much downforce as weight. This car by comparison manages just 1.9x.
This has a slightly better power to weight of 1,300 vs. 1,250 for an F1 car, but with that huge difference in downforce, surely this will be a long way from actual F1 car performance?
Given that this isn't road legal, and has been designed 'without motorsport rules holding development back', how is it still not as fast as an F1 car, that is so often described as being hobbled by all the regulations?
Tyres.This has a slightly better power to weight of 1,300 vs. 1,250 for an F1 car, but with that huge difference in downforce, surely this will be a long way from actual F1 car performance?
Given that this isn't road legal, and has been designed 'without motorsport rules holding development back', how is it still not as fast as an F1 car, that is so often described as being hobbled by all the regulations?
Top speed is higher than an F1 car so at 217mph downforce is likely to be higher, then add in fuel and the potential to carry to fat passengers it might be 300kg odd heavier.
As per the videos they're using active aero to get rid of downforce to protect the tyres.
It's downforce is also around 5 times more efficient in terms of drag than an F1 cars.
isaldiri said:
Active suspension to allow for a much better window of downforce usability probably has quite a lot of times to do with it.
honda_exige said:
Tyres.
Top speed is higher than an F1 car so at 217mph downforce is likely to be higher, then add in fuel and the potential to carry to fat passengers it might be 300kg odd heavier.
As per the videos they're using active aero to get rid of downforce to protect the tyres.
It's downforce is also around 5 times more efficient in terms of drag than an F1 cars.
Interesting, thanks for this.Top speed is higher than an F1 car so at 217mph downforce is likely to be higher, then add in fuel and the potential to carry to fat passengers it might be 300kg odd heavier.
As per the videos they're using active aero to get rid of downforce to protect the tyres.
It's downforce is also around 5 times more efficient in terms of drag than an F1 cars.
Landean said:
So it can't be driven on the road, it doesn't meet any race series regulation, you need the skills of Michael Schumacher to even get anywhere near its level of performance, other than looking good in a trophy garage and a bit of willy waving by the ultra rich, what's the point of it? It will just end up being last year's hypercar, sitting in a dusty corner unseen. Nevertheless I'm sure it is a wonderful piece of engineering.
I do agree with you, but I think if I was a Billionaire, I'd still enjoy driving it just to hear the engine sing to 15,000 rpm, whilst playing with it on track.The ratio of £ / hr used for this toy is going to be very expensive indeed, as most are barely going to turn a wheel. But for those that do - what an experience!
honda_exige said:
BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
So you can't drive it on the road, and it is way to expensive to risk driving it anywhere near its potential on the track ?
Expect to see lots of cars with double figure mileage passing thru the auctions houses in years to come. It's really just an over-engineered automotive folly....
There are over 3000 billionaires, for them writing this off on track is no more financially damaging than me or you dropping a sandwich. Expect to see lots of cars with double figure mileage passing thru the auctions houses in years to come. It's really just an over-engineered automotive folly....
I've written this handy-dandy prospectus template for anyone wanting to sell automotive-trinkets to billionaires in 2024:
We are launching under this automotive-ish brand name from Britain/France/Germany
It will be powered by a NA/hybrid/jet engine
It will have 10/12/16/24 cylinders
The engine will rev to 10/12/15/infinity RPM
The engine will be made by Cosworth/Cosworth/Cosworth
The gearbox will be made by Riccardo/Xtrac/Graziano
The project will be lead by a celebrity designer/engineer/billionaire
The shell will be made of carbon/plutonium/kryptonite
It will cost 3mil/5mil/POA Euros
We are launching under this automotive-ish brand name from Britain/France/Germany
It will be powered by a NA/hybrid/jet engine
It will have 10/12/16/24 cylinders
The engine will rev to 10/12/15/infinity RPM
The engine will be made by Cosworth/Cosworth/Cosworth
The gearbox will be made by Riccardo/Xtrac/Graziano
The project will be lead by a celebrity designer/engineer/billionaire
The shell will be made of carbon/plutonium/kryptonite
It will cost 3mil/5mil/POA Euros
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