RE: 2024 Porsche Taycan Turbo S | UK Review
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Terminator X said:
Saves £10's at the pumps per week whilst losing £50-100 grand in depreciation from new. Makes sense.
TX.
Sure - Deprecation ONLY impacts upon EV's TX.
If buying a brand new petrol or diesel car, they don't fall in value at all.
See here for once such recent example : https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-buying-guides/...
Audi S8
Price new £111,800
Price now: £55,000 (3 years old)
cerb4.5lee said:
Robertb said:
Well we’ve had depreciation, milk float, CO2 in manufacturing and child deaths.
Just need ‘But what if I want to drive from Calais to Nice in one go towing a 25ft sports cruiser’ then we have Full House.
I can't help but think about EVs whenever I fill the car up and I see over 700 miles on the range in fairness. An EV could only dream about a range like that though. However, the reality is that a range of only around 200 miles is more than enough for the majority of folk anyway in fairness. Just need ‘But what if I want to drive from Calais to Nice in one go towing a 25ft sports cruiser’ then we have Full House.
Iv not owned or even been in an EV yet but id happily have a Taycan as a daily I think they look great. Aslong as I have some ICE fun in the garage.
SDK said:
Sure - Deprecation ONLY impacts upon EV's
If buying a brand new petrol or diesel car, they don't fall in value at all.
See here for once such recent example : https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-buying-guides/...
Audi S8
Price new £111,800
Price now: £55,000 (3 years old)
Thats a lot less than this will loose.If buying a brand new petrol or diesel car, they don't fall in value at all.
See here for once such recent example : https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-buying-guides/...
Audi S8
Price new £111,800
Price now: £55,000 (3 years old)
The talk about depreciation and cost is because this car is £160k odd, or £170k as tested. The previous versions were unreliable, a depreciation disaster and not wanted by dealers used. if you've got the money to burn, then every things good. there's more interesting ways to burn £100k in 18 months though.
SDK said:
Terminator X said:
Saves £10's at the pumps per week whilst losing £50-100 grand in depreciation from new. Makes sense.
TX.
Sure - Deprecation ONLY impacts upon EV's TX.
If buying a brand new petrol or diesel car, they don't fall in value at all.
See here for once such recent example : https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-buying-guides/...
Audi S8
Price new £111,800
Price now: £55,000 (3 years old)
TX.
Everyone still thinking people private purchase these and care about depreciation.
Salary sacrifice, company car and / or business purchases like most other EV or cars of this type.
If you are looking at a £150k plus car regardless of how it's sourced then you're not earning £25k a year are you....
Salary sacrifice, company car and / or business purchases like most other EV or cars of this type.
If you are looking at a £150k plus car regardless of how it's sourced then you're not earning £25k a year are you....
jenkosrugby said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Robertb said:
Well we’ve had depreciation, milk float, CO2 in manufacturing and child deaths.
Just need ‘But what if I want to drive from Calais to Nice in one go towing a 25ft sports cruiser’ then we have Full House.
I can't help but think about EVs whenever I fill the car up and I see over 700 miles on the range in fairness. An EV could only dream about a range like that though. However, the reality is that a range of only around 200 miles is more than enough for the majority of folk anyway in fairness. Just need ‘But what if I want to drive from Calais to Nice in one go towing a 25ft sports cruiser’ then we have Full House.
When EVs eventually offer a really good range(say 600 plus miles for example), then we'd both find that very hard to resist I'd imagine. All I've ever wanted an EV to do is to match an ICE like for like on range really.
griffdude said:
This was dealer launched over a month ago. Think the headlights make the front end look much better.
Huge improvement on range….. I got 220 miles max range out of a 4S with the std battery.
Me too and that’s with the performance battery and less in the winter or on a spirited drive. I don’t believe the range figures though happy to be proved wrong, the game changer might be the next Taycan, that will be interesting. Huge improvement on range….. I got 220 miles max range out of a 4S with the std battery.
Frankychops said:
Thats a lot less than this will loose.
The talk about depreciation and cost is because this car is £160k odd, or £170k as tested. The previous versions were unreliable, a depreciation disaster and not wanted by dealers used. if you've got the money to burn, then every things good. there's more interesting ways to burn £100k in 18 months though.
For sure - I think the point to understand is someone getting this Porsche isn't paying list price.The talk about depreciation and cost is because this car is £160k odd, or £170k as tested. The previous versions were unreliable, a depreciation disaster and not wanted by dealers used. if you've got the money to burn, then every things good. there's more interesting ways to burn £100k in 18 months though.
It's highly likely on a monthly payment and offset against a business. Having a car like this for 3 years costs around £40k
The other 'problem' for used EV's of this price - it's often cheaper to get a brand new car, than buy a used one at normal deprecation. Hence why they drop so much in value, because there is no market for cars in the 20-40% off new price range, after 18-36 months.
SDK said:
Very few people NEED over 300-400 miles of range, in a single trip without stopping.
Quote - Chris Harris : “Range is limited by the size of your bladder, not the size of your fuel tank”
Former Tesla owner here: Yeaah, except it doesn’t, yet, take me 40 minutes to pee. That’s realistically how long a decent % charge will take you unless conditions are absolutely optimal, which they never are. In Europe there’s no shortage of charging stations, so I never had to wait for one, but they really are not pleasant places to spend any more time than is absolutely necessary.Quote - Chris Harris : “Range is limited by the size of your bladder, not the size of your fuel tank”
I’m not making long trips every month but they are still a sizable amount of my annual mileage so it does matter. I’ve reverted to diesel and I’m happy with that choice so far. I still like the look of the Taycan though.
cerb4.5lee said:
I filled both the M4/GLE400d up yesterday, and the cost of fuel to fill them definitely goes through my mind for definite. Especially when I know that I could save some money with an EV in comparison for sure.
When EVs eventually offer a really good range(say 600 plus miles for example), then we'd both find that very hard to resist I'd imagine. All I've ever wanted an EV to do is to match an ICE like for like on range really.
How often do you drive 600 miles without a stop? When EVs eventually offer a really good range(say 600 plus miles for example), then we'd both find that very hard to resist I'd imagine. All I've ever wanted an EV to do is to match an ICE like for like on range really.
SDK said:
Terminator X said:
Saves £10's at the pumps per week whilst losing £50-100 grand in depreciation from new. Makes sense.
TX.
Sure - Deprecation ONLY impacts upon EV's TX.
If buying a brand new petrol or diesel car, they don't fall in value at all.
See here for once such recent example : https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-buying-guides/...
Audi S8
Price new £111,800
Price now: £55,000 (3 years old)
Let's be honest, the only people buying Taycans are company car owners for the BIK, especially the higher end models. No one in their right mind is spending £160K on a BEV and taking the hit on depreciation unless you're a milti-millionaire (who probably has this as a company car anyways).
It's willy waving at best, but we all know how bad new Taycan sales are, let alone other BEV's now. 2nd hand 2-3 years down the line they start to make a bit more sense, until they can get to those kind of price points Porsche et al are never going to see volume of these.
It's willy waving at best, but we all know how bad new Taycan sales are, let alone other BEV's now. 2nd hand 2-3 years down the line they start to make a bit more sense, until they can get to those kind of price points Porsche et al are never going to see volume of these.
The Audi E-tron would be my pick if I was in the market - just looks so much better to me, especially having seen quite a number of both Taycan and E-trons on the road.
Try as I might, I just can't ever imagine having a 'daily' and a 'weekend' EV combo as a car enthusiast in the future - they all seem to have the same characteristics (fast and heavy) that I don't think you'd actively hop between the two- or ever really go for a hoon on a whim. Like most tech, I think cars are going to get better but lose all their romance (already happened with ICE, I know). I hope there will still be an affordable way to keep a 'retro' ICE car in the future for us younger PHers in the way that people still buy record players, Smeg retro fridges, manual coffee grinders and a nice fountain pen.
Try as I might, I just can't ever imagine having a 'daily' and a 'weekend' EV combo as a car enthusiast in the future - they all seem to have the same characteristics (fast and heavy) that I don't think you'd actively hop between the two- or ever really go for a hoon on a whim. Like most tech, I think cars are going to get better but lose all their romance (already happened with ICE, I know). I hope there will still be an affordable way to keep a 'retro' ICE car in the future for us younger PHers in the way that people still buy record players, Smeg retro fridges, manual coffee grinders and a nice fountain pen.
N88 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I filled both the M4/GLE400d up yesterday, and the cost of fuel to fill them definitely goes through my mind for definite. Especially when I know that I could save some money with an EV in comparison for sure.
When EVs eventually offer a really good range(say 600 plus miles for example), then we'd both find that very hard to resist I'd imagine. All I've ever wanted an EV to do is to match an ICE like for like on range really.
How often do you drive 600 miles without a stop? When EVs eventually offer a really good range(say 600 plus miles for example), then we'd both find that very hard to resist I'd imagine. All I've ever wanted an EV to do is to match an ICE like for like on range really.
cerb4.5lee said:
I filled both the M4/GLE400d up yesterday, and the cost of fuel to fill them definitely goes through my mind for definite. Especially when I know that I could save some money with an EV in comparison for sure.
When EVs eventually offer a really good range(say 600 plus miles for example), then we'd both find that very hard to resist I'd imagine. All I've ever wanted an EV to do is to match an ICE like for like on range really.
I'd be willing to bet the range on this Taycan is a match for the M4. I had an "proper" M135i and that did 280-320 miles on a tank with "only" 320hp...When EVs eventually offer a really good range(say 600 plus miles for example), then we'd both find that very hard to resist I'd imagine. All I've ever wanted an EV to do is to match an ICE like for like on range really.
Edited by Harry_523 on Tuesday 16th July 09:59
jenkosrugby said:
And I'm sure the EV drivers cant help but think about what it would cost them to do 700 miles and what it must feel like waking up every morning with a full charge not having to go to a petrol station.......Horses for courses.
My Alpina B5 typically shows about 260 miles on a full tank. The Evora is about the same. Show me a performance car with a 700 mile range.
N88 said:
How often do you drive 600 miles without a stop?
I drive regularly between CH and NL which is about that distance. In the diesel I usually stop 3 times for 10 minutes for a pee break. The diesel does it on one tank so no need for fuel. In the Tesla I had to stop 3 times for 30 to 45 minutes. It makes a big difference especially when, particularly on the way home, you really don’t want to stop.Not sure where they can now go with performance, I love the tech and who doesnt want a go in a car that fast ? But do I want something that fast, well, not really. Since straight line acceleration got conquered its now almost labouring a point, its a happy byproduct of EV power that they can without that much extra development give cars massive straight line performance.
I think the base one would be all the performance you ever need, and then some, 4.8 to sixty, possibly even quicker as I suspect Porsche contrive the figures a little to favour the more expensive models, there is however always that feeling you didnt get the full fat version, even with the Turbo S there is the GT with an extra 81 bhp, taking it over that 1000 bhp barrier. I still havent got my head round four digit power figures outside of dragsters.
The old model is now available from 30 odd grand on AutoTrader, suspect there are deals to be had if you are there ready to buy as there are usually 700 or so available, wonder what they are changing hands for in the trade, bet some are starting with a 2.
I think the base one would be all the performance you ever need, and then some, 4.8 to sixty, possibly even quicker as I suspect Porsche contrive the figures a little to favour the more expensive models, there is however always that feeling you didnt get the full fat version, even with the Turbo S there is the GT with an extra 81 bhp, taking it over that 1000 bhp barrier. I still havent got my head round four digit power figures outside of dragsters.
The old model is now available from 30 odd grand on AutoTrader, suspect there are deals to be had if you are there ready to buy as there are usually 700 or so available, wonder what they are changing hands for in the trade, bet some are starting with a 2.
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