RE: Mon Dieu - there's a BX GTI 16-valve for sale

RE: Mon Dieu - there's a BX GTI 16-valve for sale

Saturday 20th July

Mon Dieu - there's a BX GTI 16-valve for sale

Citroen's 160hp BX was always rare, and is now basically extinct. But not completely...


It’s easy to be a little despondent about French hot hatches in 2024. Once masters of the genre, it now seems a long way down the list of priorities for the Gallic manufacturers. Peugeot, despite recent very good GTIs and Peugeot Sport Engineered cars, isn’t interested in pursuing performance models going forward. Citroen is making some funky stuff, no doubt, but nothing fast. Thank goodness, then, for the Renault 5 E-Tech and Alpine A290 - no pressure folks, however it does all rest on you now. All the right things are being said, so let’s hope that the peerless reputation of French hot hatches can survive the transition to electric. 

It wasn’t always the case, of course. When the hot hatch was enjoying its glory days and the French makers really were at the top of their game, there were really good cars that just weren’t very popular. Imagine that. The junior Peugeot XS and XSIs found buyers, though it always seemed like the GTIs outsold them. The Citroen Xsara VTS was good, but not as good as the 306 GTI-6. It’s sometimes hard to remember that there was a quick Clio that wasn’t a Williams. And who could forget the Citroen BX GTI?

Well, plenty of people as it goes - even when it was new. The BX was all about cushy comfort with its advanced suspension and commodious cabin. Even with some sporty add-ons, it never really screamed hot hatch. And image is everything with this type of car. Yet Citroen persisted, and actually made what was considered by most accounts a very nice car to drive. There were even, amazingly enough, two variants, an eight-valve and a 16-valve. The former boasted 125hp and would surely have been the more popular model; after all, the 160hp car shared its engine with the Peugeot 405 Mi16. For many, the choice there would have been clear. 

Thank goodness, though, that a few people did go for the Citroen, because it makes a fascinating specimen more than 30 years later. Let’s be grateful, too, that this wasn’t a donor car for an engine swap. Totally understandable back then, of course, when one of  these and a 205 could have been picked up for a few hundred quid each - and who wouldn’t want a 160hp GTI? - but it isn’t half nice these days to see a survivor. 

Not just any survivor, either, but a 16v BX with just three owners and fewer than 50,000 miles to its name. Moreover, while left-hand drive could sometimes be seen as a drawback, a life spent in Spain - the Citroen only came to the UK last year - should mean it’s been kept in a dry climate since 1992. The seller says it’s all original (perhaps the stripe was a Spanish market option) and benefits from a recent timing belt and water pump. Certainly it looks fabulous, though it’s hardly like there are many other BXs around now to compare it to. The fact that details like the pinstriping and seat bolsters are as good as they are is encouraging, as is the suggestion the Citroen was often garaged. 

And what does £10k buy in classic hot hatch land now? Precious little, really, and next to nothing with so few miles. Probably a BX GTI will require a little more TLC than some of its contemporaries, though the knowledge and enthusiasm is most definitely out there. They were much loved cars, for very good reason. Now’s a very rare opportunity to find out why.  


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ChevronB19

Original Poster:

6,446 posts

171 months

Friday 19th July
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Ooh, I loved them!

QuattroDave

1,588 posts

136 months

Friday 19th July
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I'm hoping to see one or two of these at Festival of the unexceptional next weekend. Gloriously French in its design.

The last pic of the dashboard gave me a flashback to the first time I drove my Renault 21 monaco after buying it as an 18 year old. I remember the first mile or so of driving it and passing our local police station at 30 on the 30mph road wondering why this car felt much faster at 30 than my previous car only to realise I was looking at the 30 on the rev counter and not the speedo. I was actually doing 55mph!

Baldchap

8,447 posts

100 months

Friday 19th July
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Given current 'classic' car pricing, that strikes me as remarkably good value!

s m

23,530 posts

211 months

Friday 19th July
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One for Kitchski if he’s still on here

86wasagoodyear

576 posts

104 months

Friday 19th July
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What a find ! This is going to be more comfortable to ride in than almost anything on sale new today at any price. Lovely.

Twoshoe

906 posts

192 months

Friday 19th July
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Damn – I was hoping this was this week’s SOTW when I first saw the article, in which case I’d have been there like a shot!

Had two 16Vs back in the day – ok, the styling may not be to all tastes but they were quick, comfortable, practical and very well equipped (leccy windows all round (although the switches for the rears were oddly located on the back of the console between the front seats), remote central locking, ABS, electric roof, discs all round, alloys – all standard equipment). Try comparing that to a contemporary XR3.

The engine had to be revved to give of its best (>3800rpm iirc) and the hydraulics made strange noises (but never actually failed in many thousands of miles). Replaced it with a Xantia which was much duller (although much better made!) Can’t remember the last time I saw one.

blue_haddock

3,923 posts

75 months

Friday 19th July
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I may have been guilty of sending several BX's to the graveyard back in the day to swap the engine into pug 205's.

Oh well!

Turbobanana

6,773 posts

209 months

Friday 19th July
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Lovely thing, and good value as someone said above.

The PH massive will be along in awhile to complain about build quality, crashworthiness, dodgy electrics, quirky Frenchness and that it's wrong hand drive, but I reckon that's a cracker.

A mechanic I used to work with had these and was always showing off how quickly he could change all 4 spheres and the accumulator sphere, instantly refreshing his entire suspension.

Deranged Rover

3,814 posts

82 months

Friday 19th July
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Not my thing at all, but that does look like a very nice example.

BFleming

3,778 posts

151 months

Friday 19th July
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LHD, a bodykit that might not be to everyone's taste... yeah, go on then. Fabulous thing!
I reckon there are more BX GTIs popping up on the market - at prices more reasonable - than a 309 GTI or 405 Mi16.
I'd still take a 309 GTI 16 over all of them mind - and that would be a LHD-only proposition.

Edited by BFleming on Friday 19th July 12:04

Quhet

2,546 posts

154 months

Friday 19th July
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Lovely car, though I'd lose the stripe. Fond memories of my old music teacher having a tatty diesel BX with the rear seats removed completely filled with brass instruments and an ashtray equally filled with fag butts and fag ash.

horseshoecrab

458 posts

216 months

Friday 19th July
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My mum had the standard diesel one and it want around the Leeds Castle roundabouts like they weren't there. Fabulous thing

Mark-C

5,888 posts

213 months

Friday 19th July
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That looks really good value in the current market. Shame about the stripe but the rest is spot on - I even love the interior!

WahooBuckeroo

7 posts

104 months

Friday 19th July
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There used to be (and still might be) a slightly faded / gently decaying red one of these parked on a drive in West Bridgford with a sign in the rear window saying "This car is not for sale"...must have got bored with people knocking on the door asking to buy it

Desiderata

2,610 posts

62 months

Friday 19th July
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I never had a 16v, but had an 8v GTI and a diesel TZD. Great that the GTI was, the diesel was a better mile muncher, 700 miles to a tank, and on one memorable occasion before the introduction of speed cameras, a 550 mile journey in 51/2 hours... 100mph average on a single tank of fuel, in perfect comfort . It also towed better than the Land rover 110 that I had at the time.
I'd love another the same but I suppose this 16v GTI would substitute.

C5_Steve

4,958 posts

111 months

Friday 19th July
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Never even been in one let alone driven one but I've always thought these looked very cool. Now? Even more so.

And dare I say it very reasonably priced given the condition. I'd want a good poke around underneath but looks promising.

911Spanker

1,932 posts

24 months

Friday 19th July
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Great car. Forget your Cupra Born rubbish and get something like this.

boyse7en

7,170 posts

173 months

Friday 19th July
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Desiderata said:
I never had a 16v, but had an 8v GTI and a diesel TZD. Great that the GTI was, the diesel was a better mile muncher, 700 miles to a tank, and on one memorable occasion before the introduction of speed cameras, a 550 mile journey in 51/2 hours... 100mph average on a single tank of fuel, in perfect comfort . It also towed better than the Land rover 110 that I had at the time.
I'd love another the same but I suppose this 16v GTI would substitute.
My Dad had a BX TZD, and I went one better (bigger) with an XM 2.1SED. That managed to combine frugal (for the time ) fuel consumption of mid-50s mpg with a truly gargantuan fuel tank. Used to regularly get over 800 miles to the tank. I always fancied trying to do an economy run experiment to see if i could eke 1000 miles out of a tankful.

AmyRichardson

1,541 posts

50 months

Friday 19th July
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My father's 8v GTI also had the grey herringbone tweed seats - so scratchy that the back of my thighs still itch at the thought of them!

But would definitely be on the list if I had enough storage to accommodate all my whims.

CarlosSainz100

588 posts

128 months

Friday 19th July
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I've always wondered how cars like these appear at a dealers? Where do they source them? Do private sellers reach out and sell them on?