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Nomme de Plum said:
ex-devonpaul said:
The lack of noise doesn't help, but they could have synthesised noise increasing with speed. At this point only your imagination limits what they can do, V6, V8, V12, merlin, jet engine, howling wind. Personally I'd vote for "hooves".
Why? I dislike fake noise intensely. There is noise it is just different. Why would anyone want to fake it? pits said:
Looks s
te, the cars like ste, the car parks they race on look ste, it really has no redeeming features and full of stupid Mario Kart gimmicks
I've watched at least 3 races out of curiosity when there wasn't much else on, and that's how I feel about it too. So it's still a "No" from me!te, the cars like ste, the car parks they race on look ste, it really has no redeeming features and full of stupid Mario Kart gimmicksUnlike most of the commenters I actually quite enjoyed watching a race in person and enjoyed hearing tyre squeal as a change from engine noise. A couple of seasons I enjoyed on TV but now it's gone all pay per view without even highlights on terrestrial tv it's completely fallen off my radar.
"the current ‘Attack Mode’ where drivers must run offline on a particular corner twice per race to unlock 50kW (or 68hp) extra power for a maximum of four minutes. Fortunately, the old ‘FanBoost’, where viewers could vote on who received extra power in races, was binned because ex-F1 driver Stoffel Vandoorne kept hogging the vote."
Are you serious?! Words fail me on how utterly stupid, ste, lame, and pathetic that is.
I have no problem with electric motors not sounding like a V12, although I love a race bred V12 it's not the be all and end all, and it's as silly as pumping fake engine brm brm noises into a car's cabin to give up on all motorsport because they no longer sound however it is you used to like.
I don't want to watch single make series either. I want to watch and see which combination of driver, team and machine can come out on top on a given track. I don't want to wave the flag of some tribe or brand like a moron either.
Obviously for Formula E or any motorsport series to be successful it needs the eyeballs and attention of causal fans, who presumably do like stupid st like the above, but this article was posted on a car enthusiast website, to be read by enthusiasts, less so casuals, you would think? So therefore I disagree with the sentiment expressed. fk Formula E, and fk modern F1, and fk LMDH and BoP for prototype classes.
Are you serious?! Words fail me on how utterly stupid, s
te, lame, and pathetic that is. I have no problem with electric motors not sounding like a V12, although I love a race bred V12 it's not the be all and end all, and it's as silly as pumping fake engine brm brm noises into a car's cabin to give up on all motorsport because they no longer sound however it is you used to like.
I don't want to watch single make series either. I want to watch and see which combination of driver, team and machine can come out on top on a given track. I don't want to wave the flag of some tribe or brand like a moron either.
Obviously for Formula E or any motorsport series to be successful it needs the eyeballs and attention of causal fans, who presumably do like stupid s
t like the above, but this article was posted on a car enthusiast website, to be read by enthusiasts, less so casuals, you would think? So therefore I disagree with the sentiment expressed. fk Formula E, and fk modern F1, and fk LMDH and BoP for prototype classes.For all the reasons mentioned, doing an electric version of F1 is going to be hard. Many the attributes of F1 that make it what it is are gone with E, and those that remain need massive budgets and fan engagement before they are possible.
The manufacturers remain fairly committed due to their need to push electric cars and technology and associate with their brand.
I do wonder if an electric GT formula would do better. Maybe wasn't too viable 10 years ago, however now many manufacturers have E platforms and some already have E-GTs they could use. I think this would be more fun to watch, and manufacturers would prefer it as it'd be directly linked to what they are selling.
The manufacturers remain fairly committed due to their need to push electric cars and technology and associate with their brand.
I do wonder if an electric GT formula would do better. Maybe wasn't too viable 10 years ago, however now many manufacturers have E platforms and some already have E-GTs they could use. I think this would be more fun to watch, and manufacturers would prefer it as it'd be directly linked to what they are selling.
Hoofy said:
ex-devonpaul said:
The lck of noise doesn't help, but they could have synthesised noise increasing with speed. At this point only your imagination limits what they can do, V6, V8, V12, merlin, jet engine, howling wind. Personally I'd vote for "hooves".
I agree.Get yourself a coconut, cut it in half, eat the nutritious content, use two halves of shell to make clippity clop horsey noises while watching the race for the full immersive experience.
hilly10 said:
Never watched it, so a question due to my ignorance. Is that the case a driver has two cars for the race due to battery life
That used to be the case, but it's been one car from start to finish for quite some time now. Which is a good thing, because the mid-race swaps were a terrible look.I also attended formula E for the first time and was very Impressed. It is different to a traditional petrolhead motorsport event (obviously the noise) but the event was great - lots to see and do at fan village, a great spectacle (cars look great inside under lights) and action packed racing. It is genuinely nose to tail all the way through, and though admittedly a little gimmicky (but then so is DRS?), the attack mode adds a variable jeopardy to add to the interest.
I’m sold, I’ll be watching it all next year (on TNT sports) and going to watch in London again.
I’m sold, I’ll be watching it all next year (on TNT sports) and going to watch in London again.
Glenn T said:
I also attended formula E for the first time and was very Impressed. It is different to a traditional petrolhead motorsport event (obviously the noise) but the event was great - lots to see and do at fan village, a great spectacle (cars look great inside under lights) and action packed racing. It is genuinely nose to tail all the way through, and though admittedly a little gimmicky (but then so is DRS?), the attack mode adds a variable jeopardy to add to the interest.
I’m sold, I’ll be watching it all next year (on TNT sports) and going to watch in London again.
I'm with you wrt it's different but a good watch. As long as it can continue to attract sponsorship and engagement of some of the key motorsport manufactures then the few here that have no interest will not matter. Ticket sales seem to be very good with some sell outsI’m sold, I’ll be watching it all next year (on TNT sports) and going to watch in London again.
The Gen 3 cars are a significant step up from Gen 2 and Gen 4 comes in 2026 which will show significant performance gains.
It looks like Formula E will be around for the foreseeable future and continue to develop which is a great thing for motorsport.
Boring and pointless.
It exists because some people think it should, NOT because of any strong demand.
Time will tell if it can continue given many manufacturers are closing EV factories and starting to ramp up hybrid production. If manufacturers don’t need to sell so many EV’s, there won’t be the need to pump millions into FE trying to make EV’s look exciting.
The cars look terrible (ok that’s subjective) the tracks are Mickey Mouse (mostly driving around cones on an airfield or tight city streets) and the speed just doesn’t come across on TV.
From what I’ve seen most of the drivers find it a frustrating bind too.
I guess a paid drive is hard to turn down but given the choice I can’t see many of the drivers choosing FE over any other championship.
I give it a few more years before financial reality causes the plug to be pulled.
It exists because some people think it should, NOT because of any strong demand.
Time will tell if it can continue given many manufacturers are closing EV factories and starting to ramp up hybrid production. If manufacturers don’t need to sell so many EV’s, there won’t be the need to pump millions into FE trying to make EV’s look exciting.
The cars look terrible (ok that’s subjective) the tracks are Mickey Mouse (mostly driving around cones on an airfield or tight city streets) and the speed just doesn’t come across on TV.
From what I’ve seen most of the drivers find it a frustrating bind too.
I guess a paid drive is hard to turn down but given the choice I can’t see many of the drivers choosing FE over any other championship.
I give it a few more years before financial reality causes the plug to be pulled.
Edited by ImFeelingSaucy on Tuesday 23 July 10:04
I actually went on Sunday, and had a much better time than I thought.
First of all, qualifying with the head-to-head knockout is genuinely exciting; you can't beat a one lap showdown and the London track (er, the Excel) has mixed surfaces and can catch people out.
Race wise, the build up of the orchestra at the beginning did actually make it quite atmospheric, but this was massively helped by it being a three-way battle for the title, so genuinely a lot on the line.
The issue with London specifically is that it's just too narrow to race. The 'boosts' are essential to give it a level of excitement, but the lack of space didn't allow overtaking or strategy to really come into it.
The sound didn't bother me; as said they are actually quite loud when indoors. As a geek, it's also interesting that you can hear the tyres squeal and therefore hear how different lines are taken.
Away from the racing, the Fan Village was good, they had Craig David doing his TS5 set, and we got parked literally outside the Excel. It was a good day out.
First of all, qualifying with the head-to-head knockout is genuinely exciting; you can't beat a one lap showdown and the London track (er, the Excel) has mixed surfaces and can catch people out.
Race wise, the build up of the orchestra at the beginning did actually make it quite atmospheric, but this was massively helped by it being a three-way battle for the title, so genuinely a lot on the line.
The issue with London specifically is that it's just too narrow to race. The 'boosts' are essential to give it a level of excitement, but the lack of space didn't allow overtaking or strategy to really come into it.
The sound didn't bother me; as said they are actually quite loud when indoors. As a geek, it's also interesting that you can hear the tyres squeal and therefore hear how different lines are taken.
Away from the racing, the Fan Village was good, they had Craig David doing his TS5 set, and we got parked literally outside the Excel. It was a good day out.
ImFeelingSaucy said:
Boring and pointless.
It exists because some people think it should, NOT because of any strong demand.
Time will tell if it can continue given many manufacturers are closing EV factories and starting to ramp up hybrid production. If manufacturers don’t need to sell so many EV’s, there won’t be the need to pump millions into FE trying to make EV’s look exciting.
The cars look terrible (ok that’s subjective) the tracks are Mickey Mouse (mostly driving around cones on an airfield or tight city streets) and the speed just doesn’t come across on TV.
From what I’ve seen most of the drivers find it a frustrating bind too.
I guess a paid drive is hard to turn down but given the choice I can’t see many of the drivers choosing FE over any other championship.
I give it a few more years before financial reality causes the plug to be pulled.
Can you detail those manufacturers that have closed EV factories?It exists because some people think it should, NOT because of any strong demand.
Time will tell if it can continue given many manufacturers are closing EV factories and starting to ramp up hybrid production. If manufacturers don’t need to sell so many EV’s, there won’t be the need to pump millions into FE trying to make EV’s look exciting.
The cars look terrible (ok that’s subjective) the tracks are Mickey Mouse (mostly driving around cones on an airfield or tight city streets) and the speed just doesn’t come across on TV.
From what I’ve seen most of the drivers find it a frustrating bind too.
I guess a paid drive is hard to turn down but given the choice I can’t see many of the drivers choosing FE over any other championship.
I give it a few more years before financial reality causes the plug to be pulled.
Edited by ImFeelingSaucy on Tuesday 23 July 10:04
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