RE: 2025 Nissan Ariya Nismo | PH Review

[J4CKO]

Julian Scott said:

Joumasenaai said:

Julian Scott said:

Clivey said:

You simply cannot trust "sales" statistics at the moment. It's laughable how many 12-month old EVs with delivery mileages and sequential registration numbers have suddenly appeared at dealers this month!

As it has been for over 20 years with all cars.

it is not normal when you have an airfield or two full of 2 or 3 year old EVs arriving for sale, with under 100 miles on them. The market is, and has, been distorted, and attempts to play it, are now coming home to roost. The fun is just getting started.

As it has been for over 20 years with all cars.

BMW always seemed to be the most brazen, but they were all the same. My dad bought a pre-reg 320d in 2007, the dealer had 20 or so identical 320ds he could choose from, all with delivery mileage. Just about every BMW dealer had similar. All with YX reg-plates

Indeed, there has always been cars in fields and parked on old runways in numbers, tales of people picking up their "new car" that was built over a year earlier.

I think there may be some stalling with EV sales, supply and demand like the numerous Taycans stashed near the Porcshe dealership locally but need to be careful not to see it as evidence of the complete decline of the Electric Car, there are a hell of a lot of them on the road, the Tesla Model 3 in particular is very numerous. Doesnt seem that long since I saw my first one, now they are like every fifth car

There seems a desire to pick on anything to do with EVs to evidence how its a flash in the pan and it will all go away soon and we can go back to ICE and all will be well with the world, it isnt happening is it. EV's arent perfect but neither are ICE, a few peaks and troughs in adoption doesnt really prove anything.

[LuS1fer]

J4CKO said:

There seems a desire to pick on anything to do with EVs to evidence how its a flash in the pan and it will all go away soon and we can go back to ICE and all will be well with the world, it isn't happening is it. EV's arent perfect but neither are ICE, a few peaks and troughs in adoption doesnt really prove anything.

Apart from Fiat putting a petrol engine back in the 500 and suspending production of the electric one, Toyota slashing EV production by a third, Tesla slashing prices, Hertz pulling out of EVs, Mercedes toning down EVs in favour of ICE past the 2030 original cut-off, Rivian and Lucid not attaining targets and Ford and GM scaling back and making price cuts. Volvo stopped making investments in Polestar after missing targets.

Additionally, prices for used EVs collapsed by 16.4% in January, compared with 2023 and in China, the world's largest and strongest EV market, sales fell 38% in January 2024, the first monthly drop since August 2023.

Apart from that, no evidence at all.

[Julian Scott]

LuS1fer said:

J4CKO said:

There seems a desire to pick on anything to do with EVs to evidence how its a flash in the pan and it will all go away soon and we can go back to ICE and all will be well with the world, it isn't happening is it. EV's arent perfect but neither are ICE, a few peaks and troughs in adoption doesnt really prove anything.

Apart from Fiat putting a petrol engine back in the 500 and suspending production of the electric one, Toyota slashing EV production by a third, Tesla slashing prices, Hertz pulling out of EVs, Mercedes toning down EVs in favour of ICE past the 2030 original cut-off, Rivian and Lucid not attaining targets and Ford and GM scaling back and making price cuts. Volvo stopped making investments in Polestar after missing targets.

Additionally, prices for used EVs collapsed by 16.4% in January, compared with 2023 and in China, the world's largest and strongest EV market, sales fell 38% in January 2024, the first monthly drop since August 2023.

Apart from that, no evidence at all.

Used car prices have been all over for the past 4 years. All cars dropped like a stone during 2023, but only because they went ballistic during 2022 due to Ukraine & ensuing supply issues.

The PwC report shows that Q2 2024 was the strongest ever month for Electric car sales, up 21% on the previous year (up 11% in the EU) and hitting 37% across the world. China has had 5 of it's highest ever EV sales numbers months this year.

It's easy to take isolated examples/conjecture to prove a point you have already decided is fact.


...and I speak as someone with zero skin in the EV game. My last car was bought brand new in September 2022, it has a supercharged V8 ;-)

[cerb4.5lee]

LuS1fer said:

J4CKO said:

There seems a desire to pick on anything to do with EVs to evidence how its a flash in the pan and it will all go away soon and we can go back to ICE and all will be well with the world, it isn't happening is it. EV's arent perfect but neither are ICE, a few peaks and troughs in adoption doesnt really prove anything.

Apart from Fiat putting a petrol engine back in the 500 and suspending production of the electric one, Toyota slashing EV production by a third, Tesla slashing prices, Hertz pulling out of EVs, Mercedes toning down EVs in favour of ICE past the 2030 original cut-off, Rivian and Lucid not attaining targets and Ford and GM scaling back and making price cuts. Volvo stopped making investments in Polestar after missing targets.

Additionally, prices for used EVs collapsed by 16.4% in January, compared with 2023 and in China, the world's largest and strongest EV market, sales fell 38% in January 2024, the first monthly drop since August 2023.

Apart from that, no evidence at all.

In some ways I'd expect EV sales to be absolutely awesome really, because the majority of folk aren't interested in cars, and most EVs really tick that "I'm not interested in cars" box I reckon. Not to mention that most folk like cheaper running costs I would've thought too. So it is odd that the sales of EVs aren't rocketing really in fairness.

Plus the owners of EVs sing their praises to high heaven as well, and we often get told that they piss all over ICE in pretty much every area. So it is quite baffling why they aren't doing better sales wise I think.

[Leon R]

IMO it is because they have been pushed and incentivised rather than achieving success on merit alone.

This is a consequence of that and how it will play out long term is an interesting thing to witness.

[halo34]

LuS1fer said:

Apart from Fiat putting a petrol engine back in the 500 and suspending production of the electric one, Toyota slashing EV production by a third, Tesla slashing prices, Hertz pulling out of EVs, Mercedes toning down EVs in favour of ICE past the 2030 original cut-off, Rivian and Lucid not attaining targets and Ford and GM scaling back and making price cuts. Volvo stopped making investments in Polestar after missing targets.

Additionally, prices for used EVs collapsed by 16.4% in January, compared with 2023 and in China, the world's largest and strongest EV market, sales fell 38% in January 2024, the first monthly drop since August 2023.

Apart from that, no evidence at all.

The Chinese problem?

Its easy to take this post as fact - a little googling shows a very strong chinese market.

The question is whats fact and whats fiction

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportat...

I am confused so according to you sales fell 38% in china in Jan but this shows an increase.

I wonder if narrative gets massaged somewhat.

[LuS1fer]

Julian Scott said:

...and I speak as someone with zero skin in the EV game. My last car was bought brand new in September 2022, it has a supercharged V8 ;-)

Yes, I also have a supercharged V8 but a £500 Panda is still my cheapest form of motoring, bar none.

[Julian Scott]

halo34 said:

The Chinese problem?

Its easy to take this post as fact - a little googling shows a very strong chinese market.

The question is whats fact and whats fiction

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportat...

I am confused so according to you sales fell 38% in china in Jan but this shows an increase.

I wonder if narrative gets massaged somewhat.

Always awkward when facts disagree with biased narrative ;-)

[Jag_NE]

CG2020UK said:

Jag_NE said:

The ipace did better 6 years ago.

Considering the reliability issues of the IPace you’d have to really want a badge that only means something to people over 50.

Maybe I’m over 50….

But seriously, I don’t see what this Nissan brings to the party in 2024.

[Closer_Approximations]

Utterly f**king hideous!!! I literally give up with modern cars, properly going the wrong way with everything.

Edited by Closer_Approximations on Saturday 28th September 09:50