How do you store your keyless fob?

[jdw100]

JQ said:

jdw100 said:

Is it genuinely that high a risk?

No, it’s not even low risk.

It’s the equivalent of a chartered accountant from Beaconsfield permanently wearing a bullet proof vest in the UK. People do get shot, but the chance of it being you is tiny and not worth worrying about.

Ah, thanks.

Faraday cages, safes and tin foil not required then!

Edited by jdw100 on Saturday 30th November 04:09

[jdw100]

Supersam83 said:

Sheepshanks said:

Supersam83 said:

Why don't car manufacturers use a pin/password or face ID/touch ID to open and start the car?

If it works for the billions of smartphones worldwide, why can't it work on cars?

Mercedes tried touch ID in some markets. They discontinued it after thieves chopped an owners finger off.

Yeah but that's an extreme case.

Otherwise people would have chopped fingers all over the country when someone steals their mobile phone.

If it was such a problem then I'm sure companies like Apple, Samsung, Google, etc wouldn't be using it.

It seems like a cheap fix for the keyless vehicle issue?

Fingerprint unlock on door handle and fingerprint/face ID unlock to start the car.

Bit of a faff if you want to lend the car to someone?

My dad had a Citroën that required a PIN to start the car, in principle a good idea; the reality was not always ideal.

[jdw100]

Gericho said:

jdw100 said:

This is all utter madness.

Foil bags?

Is it genuinely that high a risk?

We leave our fob in the car most of the time.

Why don’t the police do something?

Well it clearly is a risk given that so many cars get stolen because of keyless technology. Now instead of going around the residential estates hoping that someone has left their keys unprotected and near enough to the car so you can steal their car, wouldn't it be more fruitful to visit any car park that is close to other buildings and just take it because the over-confident (and willfully ignorant) owners have their keys in their pocket and think nothing is ever going to happen to them.

Why would you leave the key in the car? That is a new level of lunacy I haven't come across before.

Key in car last night and gates were unlocked as it was pouring with rain and I couldn’t be arsed to go out to put the padlock on.

My wife leaves key fob for her bike in her bike most of the time. You see lots of people leave physical keys in the ignition.

Guy who drops his kid off at our school in a Lambo of some sort (yes he is as much of a dick as you might think, son is only fat kid in the entire year) leaves it running outside unattended. I have been tempted…..!

Earlier in the year an English guy did kind of car-jack a pickup truck and race to the airport, smashing through a toll barrier and getting into airport before being tackled: he was having some sort of psychosis though.

[DanL]

Weird that people leave the keys in the car - regardless of the level of risk, that surely leads to you being uninsured if it does get stolen?

[wyson]

I thought that as well. Lots of the posts here are really quite reasonable, people just have different risk tolerances, but leaving your keys in the car, in any of the UK’s big cities would be plain stupid.

In London a low life scumbag will sooner, rather than later, nab your car and drive off with it. In my development car park, there are always comments in the Whatsapp group chat about low life's trying the doors, or trying a relay attack. It’s just part of London life.

Maybe the poster lives in a different country or the ass end of nowhere?

Edited by wyson on Saturday 30th November 08:27

[CoolHands]

Gericho Is sunnyb13 and I claim my five pounds

[hammo19]

The car is insured so why fret.

[CanAm]

DanL said:

Weird that people leave the keys in the car - regardless of the level of risk, that surely leads to you being uninsured if it does get stolen?

It certainly does. Even in the lowish risk area where I live I would never dream of leaving my car unlocked, even for a few minutes at a petrol station. We'll shortly be having neighbours leaving cars to de-ice with the engine running

[snuffy]

Jamescrs said:

At home inside a faraday pouch which is locked in a metal key safe overnight secured to the wall in an unobvious place.

I assume the safe is hidden behind a painting?

[wyson]

All my car insurance policies have had a reasonable care clause. Leaving the keys in the car, or leaving the car unattended whilst defrosting etc was expressly excluded from being insured.

Can see examples below. The only time I saw the ombudsman found in favour of the claimant was when a woman wasn’t provided with her insurance documents stating this clause. Another guy, who was provided with the documents, had his claim rejected and wasn’t compensated for his car being stolen.

https://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/businesses/...

[snuffy]

wyson said:

All my car insurance policies have had a reasonable care clause. Leaving the keys in the car, or leaving the car unattended whilst defrosting etc was expressly excluded from being insured.

Can see examples below. The only time I saw the ombudsman found in favour of the claimant was when a woman wasn’t provided with her insurance documents stating this clause. Another guy, who was provided with the documents, had his claim rejected and wasn’t compensated for his car being stolen.

https://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/businesses/...

There was PH thread about this a few months ago. It was something like the OP's old man had misplaced his car keys (dropped them on the street, left them in the ignition, hanging out the door, or whatever), and he'd mentioned this to his insurance company when his car was stolen, so they refused to pay his claim, because, they said, he was negligent. That was the gist of it anyway.

[wyson]

https://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/decisions-c...

Exactly the above. Guy lost his house and car keys. He changed his house locks but not his car locks. Ombudsman said he should have changed his car locks at the same time and said he hadn’t taken reasonable care and rejected his claim, found in favour of the insurance company. He wasn’t compensated for the loss of his car.

[Stick Legs]

Keys for all our cars live in a bowl in the home office.

If you want to relay a signal & steal my Range Rover then do it.

Much better that than you come into my house.

However I think a 100k mile 2015 Range Rover with some shopping bags & a horse rug in the boot isn’t the object of desire many would think it is.

[snuffy]

I keep mine in a Faraday pouch (which as some said above, do stop working after a period, so I do test it every so often), when at home.

If I'm out in it, i don't take the pouch with me however. I have wondered if I should do if staying at a hotel however.

[jdw100]

CanAm said:

DanL said:

Weird that people leave the keys in the car - regardless of the level of risk, that surely leads to you being uninsured if it does get stolen?

It certainly does. Even in the lowish risk area where I live I would never dream of leaving my car unlocked, even for a few minutes at a petrol station. We'll shortly be having neighbours leaving cars to de-ice with the engine running

People leave cars here running when popping in to shops etc. keeps the AC going.

Think nothing of leaving ours running, key in centre console, phone in holder if making a shortish stop somewhere.

I have had a helmet stolen once. Everyone leaves them on handlebars. We know it was a foreigner, took advantage of a group of us being distracted. My guys plus electricians and a shop owner formed up a posse to go after him.

Just wasn’t worth it for a bike helmet - persuaded them to let it go.

Generally speaking I still leave a helmet on handlebars if at a cafe, restaurant, shops. If longer time span in parking at a mall, for example, it goes under the seat.

No one owns chains to lock up bikes. Often people leave keys in the ignition.

I do know a couple of friends who had parked up in a very dark parking area and changed to go to a club, leaving all their dresses, shoes, bags on the back seat of the car. All of that went, but it was during COVID.

General view is that it was a bit of a silly thing to do.

[braddo]

jdw100 said:

Key in car last night and gates were unlocked as it was pouring with rain and I couldn’t be arsed to go out to put the padlock on.

My wife leaves key fob for her bike in her bike most of the time. You see lots of people leave physical keys in the ignition.

Guy who drops his kid off at our school in a Lambo of some sort (yes he is as much of a dick as you might think, son is only fat kid in the entire year) leaves it running outside unattended. I have been tempted…..!

You're in Indonesia? Probably worth mentioning on a UK forum...