RE: Land Rover previews 'most capable electric SUV'

[Gecko1978]

p1stonhead said:

otolith said:

theicemario said:

Having a large number of very tall 3t+ “light” passenger vehicles on our roads can only be a good thing.

Until you get hit by one, that is.

https://flowingdata.com/2024/09/04/weight-of-cars-...


Looking more and more like an American colony over here. Time to import an F-650 and be done with it

You do have to keep in mind that the American idea of a big vehicle isn't the same as ours.

Absolutely mad.

Was in the US earlier in the month drove a Ram 1500...it was epic I loved it

[Julian Scott]

blistacompact said:

Julian Scott said:

So no then ;-)

What should be concluded from the KSI statistics then?

The claim is that heavier, more powerful cars were more dangerous. KSI stats should back that up, surely?

[Julian Scott]

Gecko1978 said:

Was in the US earlier in the month drove a Ram 1500...it was epic I loved it

We always hire a full-size SUV when we go to the US, just love the experience. There again in 3 weeks, staying for Christmas - Escalade/Navigator booked as soon as the flights were ;-)

[SDK]

Gecko1978 said:

Was in the US earlier in the month drove a Ram 1500...it was epic I loved it

We hired a Chevrolet Suburban (7 seater) for 2 weeks, 6.0-liter V8, and even with cylinder deactivation the fuel economy was absolutely atrocious !

[CDP]

theicemario said:

JD said:

Yes, feels like you could really streamline your internet commenting workflow if you learned how to use copy/paste. But maybe you have a diesel fuelled computer that doesn't have that function.

Wait until someone tells him a £19,000 Vauxhall Corsa 1.5 TD has a diesel engine just like his “GLE 400d AMG Line Premium Plus”

ALL POWERED IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY

So is a Thwaite single cylinder dumper truck.

[CDP]

mrclav said:

greed. Here's a picture of YouTuber Doug Demuro being dwarfed standing next to a pretty bog-standard Ford F650:-






For context, Doug is 1.91m (or 6' 3") tall!

That's mad. Although looking on Ford's website it makes more sense as a genuine commercial, even if it seems to have a very small load bed for the size of vehicle.

[DonkeyApple]

CDP said:

theicemario said:

JD said:

Yes, feels like you could really streamline your internet commenting workflow if you learned how to use copy/paste. But maybe you have a diesel fuelled computer that doesn't have that function.

Wait until someone tells him a £19,000 Vauxhall Corsa 1.5 TD has a diesel engine just like his “GLE 400d AMG Line Premium Plus”

ALL POWERED IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY

So is a Thwaite single cylinder dumper truck.

One of those three identical vehicles is at least fun to drive.

[ZesPak]

CDP said:

That's mad. Although looking on Ford's website it makes more sense as a genuine commercial, even if it seems to have a very small load bed for the size of vehicle.

It's one of the things that doug talks about in his vid.
These are sold just as a "blank canvas" to make commercial vehicles upon.


So a company took this one and made it into a "luxury" vehicle.
You can see the wheel arch of the bed not fitting the wheels, the bed is actually is a bed from the F350. You can see the fuel door still being in there, with the fuel tanks being underneath.
That's why the bed looks so small on that truck, it is.

[sidesauce]

ZesPak said:

CDP said:

That's mad. Although looking on Ford's website it makes more sense as a genuine commercial, even if it seems to have a very small load bed for the size of vehicle.

It's one of the things that doug talks about in his vid.
These are sold just as a "blank canvas" to make commercial vehicles upon.


So a company took this one and made it into a "luxury" vehicle.
You can see the wheel arch of the bed not fitting the wheels, the bed is actually is a bed from the F350. You can see the fuel door still being in there, with the fuel tanks being underneath.
That's why the bed looks so small on that truck, it is.

This version of the F650 truck is what I'd call a "luxury" vehicle (and at $300k I should expect it is!)...

[sidesauce]

CDP said:

mrclav said:

greed. Here's a picture of YouTuber Doug Demuro being dwarfed standing next to a pretty bog-standard Ford F650:-






For context, Doug is 1.91m (or 6' 3") tall!

That's mad. Although looking on Ford's website it makes more sense as a genuine commercial, even if it seems to have a very small load bed for the size of vehicle.

And this is why when people on this forum say stupid things like [insert whatever car here] is too big for the road, I'm like "you do realise there are markets far larger than the UK where even an extended wheelbase FFRR would be considered mid-sized, right?" - it's as if Brits on this forum think cars should be made for only their market....

[blistacompact]

Julian Scott said:

The claim is that heavier, more powerful cars were more dangerous. KSI stats should back that up, surely?

Like I said earlier numbers are down in the EU for various reasons.
Very heavy and fast accelerating cars are still not common in the EU since they used to be luxury only.

From the graph theicemario posted we can also tell that if all cars were under 4000lbs there would be fewer deaths than now.

[Electronicpants]

otolith said:

theicemario said:

Having a large number of very tall 3t+ “light” passenger vehicles on our roads can only be a good thing.

Until you get hit by one, that is.

https://flowingdata.com/2024/09/04/weight-of-cars-...


Looking more and more like an American colony over here. Time to import an F-650 and be done with it

You do have to keep in mind that the American idea of a big vehicle isn't the same as ours.

Hasn't this always been the case?




Vs

[otolith]

Electronicpants said:

Hasn't this always been the case?

Pretty much, yes.

[markclow]

otolith said:

You do have to keep in mind that the American idea of a big vehicle isn't the same as ours.

Whats crazy is that in Atlanta I see lots of rich redneck kids driving those Raptors.

[blistacompact]

It's hard to believe that small sporty cars sold like hot cakes (english roadsters, honda S600/800, honda crx, toyota mr2 mk1...) in the USA or a least califronia. Sad times

[CG2020UK]

It’s not a car for me but I actually quite like.

As for 'most intensive testing ever' this give me a chuckle. Be an improvement if it Beas capable of doing the school run for 8 weeks without breaking down

[AKjr]

Decent, that. They'll sell 'em like hot cakes.

[Mouse Rat]

Powering a Range Rover with electric motors makes sense.
But IMO keep the lovely straight 6 diesel as a low rpm generator, with small self charging 5-10kwhr battery pack as a buffer for peak power and regen.
Then no anxiety with all the benefits of EV drive train, without the need for mahoosive batteries or mechanical complexity of a hybrid.

[DonkeyApple]

Mouse Rat said:

Powering a Range Rover with electric motors makes sense.
But IMO keep the lovely straight 6 diesel as a low rpm generator, with small self charging 5-10kwhr battery pack as a buffer for peak power and regen.
Then no anxiety with all the benefits of EV drive train, without the need for mahoosive batteries or mechanical complexity of a hybrid.

It's just easier to not buy the EV version if you can't use it or have other cars etc.

If we consider the target market in the U.K. it's going to almost entirely comprise of people living in and around London who seldom travel by car a greater distance than its range will cover. And most of your destinations when you do travel away from the SE will have recharging facilities.

You really aren't going to be paying premium prices to ensure you have to go to motorway services and hang out a them. The entire purpose of getting to the point of having that level of income is not very specifically not be going to places like that because an object you are using needs you to!

For someone who lives away from London and their lifestyle takes them in various directions around the U.K. and I've a range of distances then you just buy the ICE version and think no more about it.

For folks in the middle of that type of usage they offer a normal hybrid with enough range to cover off the bulk of local pottering and commuting stuff.

[ChocolateFrog]

You could have a really bad day rock crawling with one of those.

Luckily no one will actually do it.