RE: Land Rover previews 'most capable electric SUV'
Discussion
JoshSm said:
Shame about all the legislation that also ignores the concept of time when aiming for 100% of sales. You seem to have this idea that all the edge cases have years (30?!?) to be filled yet your hope relies on stretching the life of a lot of equipment without any current scope for replacement.
If I'm generous thats the triumph of dogma & wishful thinking over reality, rather than just deliberate 'everything is fine' propaganda.
Once politics got involved in selecting and forcing a winning solution and forced deadlines it was all doomed, so instead of natural progressive change we have an arbitrary mess that everyone knows will end badly.
Let's see how your post ages in a few years time. If I'm generous thats the triumph of dogma & wishful thinking over reality, rather than just deliberate 'everything is fine' propaganda.
Once politics got involved in selecting and forcing a winning solution and forced deadlines it was all doomed, so instead of natural progressive change we have an arbitrary mess that everyone knows will end badly.
Now I have no idea if the government will relax the mandate or not but I'm still seeing my neighbours gradually buying into EVs. Many are not new so no tax break advantage. They are just a bit enlihghtened and realise it is a really pleasant environment in which to drive and relatively cheap to run.
Even if we reach mandated percentages come 2035 there will still be well over 50% of cars still being ICE. Plenty of time for die hards to adjust or live with an ICE.
Julian Scott said:
M.F.D said:
Agreed, the Tesla is more practical for taking a full family + dog on a family trip. Not sure what your point is there.
That judging a 2.5 tonne SUV on it's ability to outperform a Ferrari round a track is as pointless as judging a Ferrari on its ability to carry 5 people and a dog 200 miles?mooseracer said:
Max1111 said:
Most people I know choose train or plane for anything over 2hrs. I just did 1200 miles over a few days and had to stop so many times to rest an EV would have added no extra time
Really?!The UAE seems like the right place to take a few pictures of these, they'll sell very well there.
768 said:
mooseracer said:
Max1111 said:
Most people I know choose train or plane for anything over 2hrs. I just did 1200 miles over a few days and had to stop so many times to rest an EV would have added no extra time
Really?!The UAE seems like the right place to take a few pictures of these, they'll sell very well there.
There will be loads sold in and around London. Many used for the legless wonders being ferried to school.
Nomme de Plum said:
768 said:
mooseracer said:
Max1111 said:
Most people I know choose train or plane for anything over 2hrs. I just did 1200 miles over a few days and had to stop so many times to rest an EV would have added no extra time
Really?!The UAE seems like the right place to take a few pictures of these, they'll sell very well there.
otolith said:
The usefulness of the public transport options varies hugely depending on where you live and where you are going - and whether you will need a car at the other end. It usually makes a lot more sense if you are going city centre to city centre. Two hours, I would just drive unless the endpoint was somewhere horrendously car-unfriendly.
I accept yes it does. I ensured we bought properties close to good public transport and easy school run/ bus/bike. Commuted into London for longer than I wish to remember. Door to Door under 50 mins and could work during the commute.
M.F.D said:
The acceleration is impressive, but the 'real world' performance will show a considerable difference between the cars.
In the real world, it would more likely be a considerable difference in the Tesla's (or, as someone said, a Taycan's) favour - no waiting for gears to change or turbos to come on boost, just a huge amount of torque and instant acceleration.It's only really at high speed where drag becomes an issue the Ferrari shows a clean pair of heels but for anything beneath maximum legal road speed I wouldn't bet on it being the quicker car. Even if it was, it's certainly not leaving the Tesla for dead.
otolith said:
Nomme de Plum said:
768 said:
mooseracer said:
Max1111 said:
Most people I know choose train or plane for anything over 2hrs. I just did 1200 miles over a few days and had to stop so many times to rest an EV would have added no extra time
Really?!The UAE seems like the right place to take a few pictures of these, they'll sell very well there.
Nomme de Plum said:
There will be loads sold in and around London. Many used for the legless wonders being ferried to school.
That's such a b
ks cliche. How many people live within a 10-15min walk of their children' school? Yes 'when we were kids we walked 12 hours each way rain and shine....blah..blah..blah" but the reality of if it, that even a 15 min walk is an hour out of a parent's time every day just to appease the bedwetters who think that no child should be driven to school. My daughter's school is 1.5 miles away, She does sometimes walk home, if it's nice weather, but I won't have her waking up 30 mins earlier, just so she can walk on pretty sketchy pavements alongside very busy roads, carrying a heavy school bag, risking getting soaked, before she needs focus on her lessons. PLUS, since they left prep school, my son goes to a different senior school - 7 miles away, so we have to drive him (sometimes by car pool), and the journey takes me right past my daughter's school. His school is located where pretty much no-one can walk to it, because it's new so built away from residential areas. So what then? Are they all 'legless wonders'?
Their prep school was just over 2 miles away, that was a safer walk but they were aged 4 til 11 when they were there - so why the **** should I not have driven them.
FWIW, my daughter's school have just undertaken a survey to highlight the need for better road design near the school, amongst similarly ignorant comments such as yours about '100s of SUVs making 30 seconds school run journeys'. Only 7% of pupils lived within a mile (as the crow flies) of the school, the average distance was just under 7 miles.
Julian Scott said:
That judging a 2.5 tonne SUV on it's ability to outperform a Ferrari round a track is as pointless as judging a Ferrari on its ability to carry 5 people and a dog 200 miles?
But no-one was trying to claim that the Ferrari was practical and good for hauling a family. My point is that there are many other ways to measure performance, other than a standing start where obviously an EV with 4WD will get the jump on a powerful ICE car with RWD. Carwow done the same with the Agera RST.Nomme de Plum said:
Two things.
I suggest you try a few different ones. They can be really rapid and not only on the straights. Very low Cog and no lump of an engine /box shoving the weight at one end.
Look at the Tacan's lap times. It beats many so called supercars and as a 4 seater is astonishingly quick.
IMO Many Ferraris are to die for. The 458 although now quite aged was just sublime to drive but it's just an expensive toy.
There are a few EV's that look dynamic, Ionic 5N for example, that look like they'd be decent to drive and cover ground quick, but I cannot be persuaded that a 2.5 tonne Model X will be decent down a B road blast or on track.I suggest you try a few different ones. They can be really rapid and not only on the straights. Very low Cog and no lump of an engine /box shoving the weight at one end.
Look at the Tacan's lap times. It beats many so called supercars and as a 4 seater is astonishingly quick.
IMO Many Ferraris are to die for. The 458 although now quite aged was just sublime to drive but it's just an expensive toy.
M.F.D said:
Julian Scott said:
That judging a 2.5 tonne SUV on it's ability to outperform a Ferrari round a track is as pointless as judging a Ferrari on its ability to carry 5 people and a dog 200 miles?
But no-one was trying to claim that the Ferrari was practical and good for hauling a family. My point is that there are many other ways to measure performance, other than a standing start where obviously an EV with 4WD will get the jump on a powerful ICE car with RWD. Carwow done the same with the Agera RST.
. ....suggesting the 2.5 tonne SUV wouldn't be as good round a track, which as irrelevant as a claim that the Ferrari was practical and good for hauling a family768 said:
mooseracer said:
Max1111 said:
Most people I know choose train or plane for anything over 2hrs. I just did 1200 miles over a few days and had to stop so many times to rest an EV would have added no extra time
Really?!The UAE seems like the right place to take a few pictures of these, they'll sell very well there.
Glenn63 said:
768 said:
mooseracer said:
Max1111 said:
Most people I know choose train or plane for anything over 2hrs. I just did 1200 miles over a few days and had to stop so many times to rest an EV would have added no extra time
Really?!The UAE seems like the right place to take a few pictures of these, they'll sell very well there.
If you happen to live in a location where it's easy to reach an airport or a train terminus then the point at which that person makes such a decision comes much earlier than it would for others.
Ie, does one drive for 8 hours to get to a holiday destination in the U.K., gambling on the weather or just bin that idea and go to the South of France etc.
DonkeyApple said:
ducnick said:
Presumably there is potential for much improved reliability too. If they have bought off the shelf batteries and motors and got rid of chocolate crankshafts, complicated locking diff’s ands transfer cases etc and just replaced them with a motor on each wheel that could be a major bonus.
You'd put the unreliability back into the product via the programming. You can easily use programming to replicate heritage characteristics. Maintaining brand values is essential. And then its just a key-off/key-on to reset and you're on your way. Best of both worlds!
Otispunkmeyer said:
DonkeyApple said:
ducnick said:
Presumably there is potential for much improved reliability too. If they have bought off the shelf batteries and motors and got rid of chocolate crankshafts, complicated locking diff’s ands transfer cases etc and just replaced them with a motor on each wheel that could be a major bonus.
You'd put the unreliability back into the product via the programming. You can easily use programming to replicate heritage characteristics. Maintaining brand values is essential. And then its just a key-off/key-on to reset and you're on your way. Best of both worlds!
Otispunkmeyer said:
So a couple of random number generators that link to a library of typical random failures. I like it.
And then its just a key-off/key-on to reset and you're on your way. Best of both worlds!
The reset shouldn't be that simple though if one wishes to properly reflect heritage. To get the true effect you probably need to have the user lose several hours of their life having to talk to an AI system replicating a servicing centre?And then its just a key-off/key-on to reset and you're on your way. Best of both worlds!
DonkeyApple said:
BlimeyCharlie said:
Those 'photos'...
The car doesn't even line up with the tyre tracks in the main sand dune photo. PhotoBotox.
These images are as false as some of their target audience!
Do you mean the tracks being left by the vehicle in front or during a previous run?The car doesn't even line up with the tyre tracks in the main sand dune photo. PhotoBotox.
These images are as false as some of their target audience!
plfrench said:
DonkeyApple said:
ducnick said:
Presumably there is potential for much improved reliability too. If they have bought off the shelf batteries and motors and got rid of chocolate crankshafts, complicated locking diff’s ands transfer cases etc and just replaced them with a motor on each wheel that could be a major bonus.
You'd put the unreliability back into the product via the programming. You can easily use programming to replicate heritage characteristics. Maintaining brand values is essential. 
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