RE: Land Rover previews 'most capable electric SUV'
Discussion
DonkeyApple said:
ducnick said:
Presumably there is potential for much improved reliability too. If they have bought off the shelf batteries and motors and got rid of chocolate crankshafts, complicated locking diff’s ands transfer cases etc and just replaced them with a motor on each wheel that could be a major bonus.
You'd put the unreliability back into the product via the programming. You can easily use programming to replicate heritage characteristics. Maintaining brand values is essential. 
cerb4.5lee said:
That has always been my biggest niggle with EVs as well, and I don't understand why folk would want to go backwards when it comes to range in a car. However I guess that if you have the money to buy this though, then you'll have other cars in your fleet that have a good range already though, so if this was only capable of going around the block on a full charge in the winter...then it wouldn't really matter anyway really.
That's the key. Ask yourself, what if these people aren't going backwards when it comes to range?What if the creatures buying these cars are actually the same species as you and also not remotely interested in paying money for a vehicle where the range is less than they need?
If these are also humans and so also thinking the same what is the possible answer to that conundrum?
cerb4.5lee said:
Mercutio said:
• Range is also my biggest concern. Traditionally you could go 500-600 miles + in a six cylinder diesel on one tank. If this thing promises let’s say 350 miles on one charge, but in cold weather that comes out at 270 miles… for me that’s a real blow to the image and capability proposition of the vehicle.
That has always been my biggest niggle with EVs as well, and I don't understand why folk would want to go backwards when it comes to range in a car. However I guess that if you have the money to buy this though, then you'll have other cars in your fleet that have a good range already though, so if this was only capable of going around the block on a full charge in the winter...then it wouldn't really matter anyway really. DonkeyApple said:
That's the key. Ask yourself, what if these people aren't going backwards when it comes to range?
What if the creatures buying these cars are actually the same species as you and also not remotely interested in paying money for a vehicle where the range is less than they need?
If these are also humans and so also thinking the same what is the possible answer to that conundrum?
Less is more? What if the creatures buying these cars are actually the same species as you and also not remotely interested in paying money for a vehicle where the range is less than they need?
If these are also humans and so also thinking the same what is the possible answer to that conundrum?
There are going to be a small proportion of (ageing) diehards that will obsess over the range thing.
I'm not convinced that the younger generations give a s
t.For the die-hards, I'd say that either their driving days will be over by 2050 or we will get to the point where some of the larger EVs can get to 500 miles.
And for the freaks who don't mind a 100 mile detour for refuelling, maybe a couple of hydrogen options.
In the mean time they should stick with ICE.
Edited by GT9 on Thursday 28th November 08:55
Having a large number of very tall 3t+ “light” passenger vehicles on our roads can only be a good thing.
Until you get hit by one, that is.
https://flowingdata.com/2024/09/04/weight-of-cars-...
Looking more and more like an American colony over here. Time to import an F-650 and be done with it
Until you get hit by one, that is.
https://flowingdata.com/2024/09/04/weight-of-cars-...
Looking more and more like an American colony over here. Time to import an F-650 and be done with it
Ironic testing this in a country whose only benefit to the world is oil.
Seeing as most of them spend their time in cities and on TV sets, an electric one makes sense.
With the new Escalade Panzer Kampfwagen weighing more than four GMA T50's then any extra weight from the batteries won't be a problem.
I wonder how much tech transfer there will be to the new Jaags.
Seeing as most of them spend their time in cities and on TV sets, an electric one makes sense.
With the new Escalade Panzer Kampfwagen weighing more than four GMA T50's then any extra weight from the batteries won't be a problem.
I wonder how much tech transfer there will be to the new Jaags.
DonkeyApple said:
GT9 said:
In the mean time they should stick with ICE.
But at least find the dignity to pony up for the big V8 Rangie instead of the budget commercial fuel one!! Cars don't get anymore budget than an EV for me though. You have the petrol V8's/V10's/V12's at the top, the 6 and 8 cylinder diesels somewhere in the middle, then you have the electric powered cars at the absolute bottom of the food chain in my eyes.
Plus remember that you can buy a Dacia Spring for £15k, and that is powered in exactly the same way as this for example, so talk about feeling short changed with this I reckon. Folk are getting their pants well and truly pulled down in this new EV world that we live in now for me.
I've said it before, but EVs have put all cars on a level playing field now, and there isn't much to separate them like there used to be in comparison with ICE.
This will be what £150 to £200k which is fine if you have the funds after all. My question is how much does battery range depreciate over time.
So say it's got 400mile WLTP which is what 350 miles normal driving that's fine. But EVs get good range round town less so at motorway speeds. A RR is really a 4x4 GT so after say 4 years what will the range really be.
It's something I wonder about EVs all the time would a used one make a good buy or is it half the price cos your getting half the car.
So say it's got 400mile WLTP which is what 350 miles normal driving that's fine. But EVs get good range round town less so at motorway speeds. A RR is really a 4x4 GT so after say 4 years what will the range really be.
It's something I wonder about EVs all the time would a used one make a good buy or is it half the price cos your getting half the car.
Gecko1978 said:
This will be what £150 to £200k which is fine if you have the funds after all. My question is how much does battery range depreciate over time.
So say it's got 400mile WLTP which is what 350 miles normal driving that's fine. But EVs get good range round town less so at motorway speeds. A RR is really a 4x4 GT so after say 4 years what will the range really be.
It's something I wonder about EVs all the time would a used one make a good buy or is it half the price cos your getting half the car.
I remember reading a Reddit thread on the Tesla page, someone asked what battery rage folk were getting from the original Tesla Model S, quite a few were getting 245 miles on a charge, instead of the original 270. The thread was a year ago though.. So say it's got 400mile WLTP which is what 350 miles normal driving that's fine. But EVs get good range round town less so at motorway speeds. A RR is really a 4x4 GT so after say 4 years what will the range really be.
It's something I wonder about EVs all the time would a used one make a good buy or is it half the price cos your getting half the car.
Gecko1978 said:
My question is how much does battery range depreciate over time.
Degradation is not typically linear, there is usually an early year degradation around the 1% p.a. level that then starts to plateau.The plateau will probably last the life of most UK cars and remain above 90%, or even 95%.
The key thing to understand is that degradation for early EVs from say ten years ago is not representative of recently manufactured cars, the situation is improving all the time.
Pintofbest said:
LooneyTunes said:
DonkeyApple said:
Depreciation is one of those weird things as it's only relevant the poorer the person is and the more they have stretched themselves to get the use of something way beyond their conventional income bracket's sensible remit. Just think logically for a moment, exactly what type of person thinks or worries about what an object they're using is going to be worth tomorrow? And if one is worried then just lock it in and forget about it.
Depreciation contributes to the overall cost of the a product. Cost is integral to the value equation. There will be many RR purchasers with a keen eye on value… no sense in needlessly frittering it away. Doesn’t have to be any worry involved for a purchase to not deliver value. Of course those who simply must be seen in/with the latest thing won’t care as, to them, that is part of the value.
We’ve run a 5.0s/c from new and depreciation has been no concern at all.
However a Taycan that we also ran (privately rather than through a company) was horrific in this regard. We really struggled to get rid of it, and it cost significantly more than the Rangie did in depreciation (in both % and absolute terms).
I’d be concerned the same would happen with an electric RR. Indeed, having seen the depreciation curves of their competitors’ EVs, it wouldn’t surprise me if JLR were making some hefty depreciation assumptions when it comes to setting the financing values for these…
cerb4.5lee said:
Cars don't get anymore budget than an EV for me though. You have the petrol V8's/V10's/V12's at the top, the 6 and 8 cylinder diesels somewhere in the middle, then you have the electric powered cars at the absolute bottom of the food chain in my eyes.
Plus remember that you can buy a Dacia Spring for £15k, and that is powered in exactly the same way as this for example, so talk about feeling short changed with this I reckon. Folk are getting their pants well and truly pulled down in this new EV world that we live in now for me.
I've said it before, but EVs have put all cars on a level playing field now, and there isn't much to separate them like there used to be in comparison with ICE.
That way you'll not be confusing a Range Rover with a Dacia Spring any more.
We've had drivetrain ubiquity for decades already with the generic 4 pot recently made even more uniform by the application of an accountant's turbo and an old lady's auto box. The upside of going EV is to dispose of the terrible noise and the complexity of getting the torque to the tarmac.
The bland uniformity of cars is why the stereo and the badge have become so critical.
I bet this would be a delightful way to waft about, the EV bit adding to a RR’s positives of comfortable/quiet motoring, adding the instant torque of an EV it’s perfect imo.
Except for the 20% of driving when Id be towing a track car and a trailer slaughters an EV’s range dramatically meaning it would become a massive inconvenience, so for me it would still be the diesel.
Except for the 20% of driving when Id be towing a track car and a trailer slaughters an EV’s range dramatically meaning it would become a massive inconvenience, so for me it would still be the diesel.
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