Not indicating
Discussion
the cueball said:
Never trust a flashing indicator...all it shows is that the bulb works!
^^^THISYou can act on the basis that they will be turning, but always, always, be aware that they might not and plan for that scenario.
On roundabouts, just judge your approach so that if they are exiting the roundabout, they will have started that before you arrive so you can just continue on.
carguy45 said:
Does anyone indicate when there are no cars in front or behind or anywhere around? It's like the question of if a falling tree makes a noise in the forest if no-one is around to hear it ......... does an indicator truly indicate if no-one is watching?
All joking aside, it drives me batty when people don't indicate. Also, those halfwits driving along beside you in dual lanes who need to turn off at a junction and proceed to take a wide berth that would make even the Captain of the QE2 raise his eyebrow, thereby forcing you over into oncoming traffic.
Your first sentence normally sparks off a 'discussion' about whether indicating should be automatic or a considered action (as the advanced driving organisations require).All joking aside, it drives me batty when people don't indicate. Also, those halfwits driving along beside you in dual lanes who need to turn off at a junction and proceed to take a wide berth that would make even the Captain of the QE2 raise his eyebrow, thereby forcing you over into oncoming traffic.
Foss62 said:
Your first sentence normally sparks off a 'discussion' about whether indicating should be automatic or a considered action (as the advanced driving organisations require).
I meant it tongue in cheek...... but I guess it is a point of consideration - the purpose of indicating is to communicate your intention to other road users, so if there's no other road users, is it a redundant action? I guess the best thing would be to err on side of caution (there could be a cyclist or the like not immediately visible to you) so in that case, it's best to treat it as an automatic action. Entirely theoretical but I wonder - indicating is a legal requirement, so in the extremely unlikely scenario that you were caught on a CCTV camera turning somewhere without indicating (no other cars around) and some bored copper wanted to take you to court, how would it fare?
Foss62 said:
carguy45 said:
Does anyone indicate when there are no cars in front or behind or anywhere around? It's like the question of if a falling tree makes a noise in the forest if no-one is around to hear it ......... does an indicator truly indicate if no-one is watching?
All joking aside, it drives me batty when people don't indicate. Also, those halfwits driving along beside you in dual lanes who need to turn off at a junction and proceed to take a wide berth that would make even the Captain of the QE2 raise his eyebrow, thereby forcing you over into oncoming traffic.
Your first sentence normally sparks off a 'discussion' about whether indicating should be automatic or a considered action (as the advanced driving organisations require).All joking aside, it drives me batty when people don't indicate. Also, those halfwits driving along beside you in dual lanes who need to turn off at a junction and proceed to take a wide berth that would make even the Captain of the QE2 raise his eyebrow, thereby forcing you over into oncoming traffic.
Really boils my piss, as does any type of sloppy driving. The way people don't bother you would think there is a lot more effort involved than touching a plastic stick that's already within fingertip controls.
If I have someone behind me at a junction that isn't indicating I purposely wait longer than normal pulling out to punish them
I indicate by proxy literally everywhere even if there's no one around and I am a BMW driver.
If I have someone behind me at a junction that isn't indicating I purposely wait longer than normal pulling out to punish them
I indicate by proxy literally everywhere even if there's no one around and I am a BMW driver.
popeyewhite said:
And out of interest what do advanced driving organisations suggest?
From some IAM motorbike training I did a while back, I think they would say that you should always be aware of what's around you, so if there are no other road users you should consciously decide not to indicate as it is unnecessary. The counter-argument is that everyone is fallible so its better to get into the habit of always indicating, just in case you fail to spot someone that might benefit from your signal.
The counter-counter-argument is that always signalling regardless might encourage an unconsidered, auto-pilot approach to driving.
It does amaze me how often drivers fail to indicate, usually in cars where the workload is pretty low due to being automatic and having all manner of gadgets.
I worked it out one day following some SUV, in and out with no indication, but, got to a queue and needed to get into that lane, the indicators miraculously pinged into life as the lady driving needed something, where indicating a lane change or turning didnt benefit her.
Same people will consider themselves superb drivers, they arent.
And we moan about traffic, but how much time is lost because you arent sure what another drivers intentions are ? Am sure we could have a decent improvement in journey times if people drove the car rather than just did some minimal operating of it.
They are the same derps that sit in lane 2 for 150 miles at a stretch.
I worked it out one day following some SUV, in and out with no indication, but, got to a queue and needed to get into that lane, the indicators miraculously pinged into life as the lady driving needed something, where indicating a lane change or turning didnt benefit her.
Same people will consider themselves superb drivers, they arent.
And we moan about traffic, but how much time is lost because you arent sure what another drivers intentions are ? Am sure we could have a decent improvement in journey times if people drove the car rather than just did some minimal operating of it.
They are the same derps that sit in lane 2 for 150 miles at a stretch.
popeyewhite said:
Foss62 said:
carguy45 said:
Does anyone indicate when there are no cars in front or behind or anywhere around? It's like the question of if a falling tree makes a noise in the forest if no-one is around to hear it ......... does an indicator truly indicate if no-one is watching?
All joking aside, it drives me batty when people don't indicate. Also, those halfwits driving along beside you in dual lanes who need to turn off at a junction and proceed to take a wide berth that would make even the Captain of the QE2 raise his eyebrow, thereby forcing you over into oncoming traffic.
Your first sentence normally sparks off a 'discussion' about whether indicating should be automatic or a considered action (as the advanced driving organisations require).All joking aside, it drives me batty when people don't indicate. Also, those halfwits driving along beside you in dual lanes who need to turn off at a junction and proceed to take a wide berth that would make even the Captain of the QE2 raise his eyebrow, thereby forcing you over into oncoming traffic.
carguy45 said:
Does anyone indicate when there are no cars in front or behind or anywhere around? It's like the question of if a falling tree makes a noise in the forest if no-one is around to hear it ......... does an indicator truly indicate if no-one is watching?
All joking aside, it drives me batty when people don't indicate. Also, those halfwits driving along beside you in dual lanes who need to turn off at a junction and proceed to take a wide berth that would make even the Captain of the QE2 raise his eyebrow, thereby forcing you over into oncoming traffic.
The first sentence shows the stark error. You say ‘cars’, you should say ‘road users’. As I wrote before, as a pedestrian it pisses me off big time when road users (and that includes cyclists) do not indicate on the occasions when I would benefit from their signal.All joking aside, it drives me batty when people don't indicate. Also, those halfwits driving along beside you in dual lanes who need to turn off at a junction and proceed to take a wide berth that would make even the Captain of the QE2 raise his eyebrow, thereby forcing you over into oncoming traffic.
One of the worst scenarios when someone doesn’t indicate is on a three or more lanes motorway when two drivers want to pull into the same empty bit of lane between them.
If there is a dotted line in the road, it’s a different lane. It’s not rocket science yet too many cretins just drift across in either direction when other traffic is close by.
If there is a dotted line in the road, it’s a different lane. It’s not rocket science yet too many cretins just drift across in either direction when other traffic is close by.
carguy45 said:
I meant it tongue in cheek...... but I guess it is a point of consideration - the purpose of indicating is to communicate your intention to other road users, so if there's no other road users, is it a redundant action? I guess the best thing would be to err on side of caution (there could be a cyclist or the like not immediately visible to you) so in that case, it's best to treat it as an automatic action.
Entirely theoretical but I wonder - indicating is a legal requirement, so in the extremely unlikely scenario that you were caught on a CCTV camera turning somewhere without indicating (no other cars around) and some bored copper wanted to take you to court, how would it fare?
Indicating per se isn’t a legal requirement. The CCTV would have to show that your driving fell below the minimum standard expected…………and the absence of indicating was part of that.Entirely theoretical but I wonder - indicating is a legal requirement, so in the extremely unlikely scenario that you were caught on a CCTV camera turning somewhere without indicating (no other cars around) and some bored copper wanted to take you to court, how would it fare?
Lil_Red_GTO said:
From some IAM motorbike training I did a while back, I think they would say that you should always be aware of what's around you, so if there are no other road users you should consciously decide not to indicate as it is unnecessary.
The counter-argument is that everyone is fallible so its better to get into the habit of always indicating, just in case you fail to spot someone that might benefit from your signal.
The counter-counter-argument is that always signalling regardless might encourage an unconsidered, auto-pilot approach to driving.
Never get into the habit of always indicating - rather generate a habit of always thinking who would benefit, including those who may appear suddenly. The counter-argument is that everyone is fallible so its better to get into the habit of always indicating, just in case you fail to spot someone that might benefit from your signal.
The counter-counter-argument is that always signalling regardless might encourage an unconsidered, auto-pilot approach to driving.
Olivergt said:
the cueball said:
Never trust a flashing indicator...all it shows is that the bulb works!
^^^THISYou can act on the basis that they will be turning, but always, always, be aware that they might not and plan for that scenario.
On roundabouts, just judge your approach so that if they are exiting the roundabout, they will have started that before you arrive so you can just continue on.
Its got to the point where I am now pathetically grateful.jf someone else does indicate, rather than being surprised they don't.
As a corollary, there seems to be a growing number of drivers who don't know/don't care how to use roundabouts.
More and more seem to either dither and wait until there is nobody else anywhere in sight, or just plough on regardless causing cars already on the RA to have to stop in a hurry.
As a corollary, there seems to be a growing number of drivers who don't know/don't care how to use roundabouts.
More and more seem to either dither and wait until there is nobody else anywhere in sight, or just plough on regardless causing cars already on the RA to have to stop in a hurry.
HertsBiker said:
Yes you know whom they are, the sort who you give way to at a roundabout to find they sail off left meaning you stopped for nothing. It's not particularly dangerous but it's so frustrating. Please make it stop!
The Mrs. often does this and yeah, it's really annoying. I get more annoyed at the drivers who can't read roundabouts. Approach a roundabout, scan the area and OK there's a car to the right but there's also another car going straight over from the opposite direction so no need to give way as they have to giveaway to the oncoming car. Oh, we're stopping at roundabout anyway, even know there's nothing to give way to. Cheers. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff