RE: Dream-grade Ford Escort RS1600i for sale

RE: Dream-grade Ford Escort RS1600i for sale

Wednesday 12th March

Dream-grade Ford Escort RS1600i for sale

Those after a classic fast Ford icon for the summer look no further...


If it isn’t already, now feels like the Escort Mk3’s time to shine as a classic fast Ford. The rear-drive cars are already sufficiently celebrated to be earning their own factory-supported restomods; these days you’ll seemingly do well to find a Cossie that isn’t basically £100k. It’s a bubble that seemingly will not burst. Yet there’s a whole generation of car kids who grew up lusting after XR3s and RS Turbos, wishing for all the world that their Mum’s 1.3L was something spicier. And while still incredibly valuable - helped of course by so many being biffed in the Max Power era - the Mk3 is still less than those later Cossies and potentially a bit more usable than those rear-drive originals. 

An RS1600i was never quite as lairy as the turbocharged cars or as accessible as either XR3, but it did have the cachet of homologation on its side. Ford needed to make 5,000 to race a similar-looking Escort in Group A, so the road car featured fuel injection for the old CVH lump; a new cam meant the race cars could rev higher, aided by solid tappets. All RS1600is were five-speed as well, and the suspension overhauled to feature a front anti-roll bar. More than 8,500 were sold in just a couple of years. 

And it probably wasn’t just the allure of Bosch K-Jetronic that drew folk to the RS1600i. It was the look, surely, far racier than an XR3 and probably a better-resolved bit of fast Ford design than even the RS Turbo. The graphics, wheels, stripes and spoilers of the 1600i still sit so nicely on the Mk3’s distinctive shape. Those who know will know from a mile off. And smile a lot.

This particular Escort is notable as a Sunburst Red car. According to the RS Owners Club it’s a much rarer colour than Black (560 cars against 820), which feels very familiar as an RS1600i shade. Presumably any left in Graphite Grey, Strato Silver or Caspian Blue (all less than 300 for the UK) are going to be megabucks. This red is also significant for having just three owners since new in 1983, and one of those is the selling dealer now. It’s original and unrestored, which is really something more than 40 years later. 

The first owner’s care is described as ‘fastidious’, with a great sheaf of paperwork from his quarter of a century with the car. If anything the second owner from 2009 - ‘a dedicated RS enthusiast’ - was even more careful, because the Escort just didn’t really go anywhere. Indeed there wasn’t an MOT from ‘09 to ‘19, and fewer than 300 miles covered. Since then there’s been another clean test last May, though the age means this Escort is now exempt. 

At £45,000, clearly it’s a valuable old car that’ll require careful consideration before using. You’d understand if it went straight into another collection with a host of other Blue Oval heroes. But wouldn’t it be great, after so many years of inactivity, for a few more miles to roll under those unmistakable alloy wheels? They’re fundamentally quite simple cars, after all, even if spares might take some tracking down. And icon status is guaranteed by now - a few more miles won’t hurt. Memory lane awaits…


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chirurgus

Original Poster:

275 posts

227 months

Wednesday
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amongst the 99 photographs, there's an awful lot of pictures of the steering wheel but not one of the engine! The nostalgia value is high and I can understand why someone might buy this, but I suspect the reality of driving it would be slightly disappointing.

Fast and Spurious

1,679 posts

99 months

Wednesday
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You'd need your bumps felt if you'd paid more than, say, £15k for that.

sidesauce

2,860 posts

229 months

Wednesday
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Fast and Spurious said:
You'd need your bumps felt if you'd paid more than, say, £15k for that.
Agreed.

The ultimate car (well, maybe this and the Capri 2.8i) for old chavs.

GreatScott2016

1,679 posts

99 months

Wednesday
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I recall driving a friends standard 1.6 back in the day and have a clear recollection as to how nice the clutch and gear change were. All relative I know, but it did feel quick too in standard guise smile. The price does appear rather optimistic but who knows with a fast Ford thee days. I would love a quick go behind the wheel of this, and I feel sure that it would put a smile on my face smile

wistec1

555 posts

52 months

Wednesday
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As nice as it may be it's yet another example of the over priced Ford effect that has hypnotized would be buyers. One day in the future the fingers will click and people will wake up to the reality that few want this age of car and the bubble will burst. It's the same for many of the pre 1940s offerings. There are less people alive to buy and able to use them.

In the here and now for this price I'd rather drop my Money on a Lotus Sunbeam that would muller this on performance.

Rob 131 Sport

3,373 posts

63 months

Wednesday
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Lovely looking thing when sporty Ford’s were so desirable. Who would have thought that years later there would be no modern Ford equivalent.

Chicken Chaser

8,323 posts

235 months

Wednesday
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I do like this, but I'm also baffled at its value. I really can't understand the fast Ford bubble at all, likely because most of the people I saw running Cosworths and XR3iS back in the day were in council estates! How these have become aspirational purchases is crazy.

Robertb

2,384 posts

249 months

Wednesday
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Rose-tinted specs off, that belongs at Festival of the Unexceptional.

McRors

355 posts

67 months

Wednesday
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With a BHP of around 115 and a 0-60 of around 9 seconds I'm not sure it qualifies as a "fast" Ford. This is what Auto Express wrote about it: On the road, the RS1600i is hard work, and only seems happy when being driven hard. Around town and at low revs, the stiff ride, heavy steering and highly-strung motor take their toll on both driver and passengers.

Thus I reckon £45,000 is rather hopeful.

Mark_Blanchard

911 posts

266 months

Wednesday
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That’s superb. I seem to remember they were super rare in the 80s. As opposed to XR3’s which were 2 a penny.
I only had eyes for the XR4i though.

cerb4.5lee

35,235 posts

191 months

Wednesday
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I remember when my Dad had his 1979 V8 5.0 Mustang, and my Mum had her 1982 XR3 at the same time for a few years. However one of my Dad's mates had one of these though, and I'll never forget how much I fell in love with the seats in these when he took me out in it back then. This has definitely put a smile on my face this morning thanks. Very nice. smile

cerb4.5lee

35,235 posts

191 months

Wednesday
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chirurgus said:
amongst the 99 photographs, there's an awful lot of pictures of the steering wheel but not one of the engine! The nostalgia value is high and I can understand why someone might buy this, but I suspect the reality of driving it would be slightly disappointing.
I had that steering wheel in my 1992 bonnet bulge RS2000. cool

This is pure nostalgia as you say. thumbup

The performance of this won't do much for you I'd imagine if you're used to modern performance cars, but nostalgia wise it will be difficult to beat I think. I'd be happy just sitting in it I reckon.

cerb4.5lee

35,235 posts

191 months

Wednesday
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Mark_Blanchard said:
That’s superb. I seem to remember they were super rare in the 80s. As opposed to XR3’s which were 2 a penny.
I only had eyes for the XR4i though.
I always enjoyed driving my uncle's XR4i years back, and that was a lovely thing for me. So much so that I ended up owning 2 XR4x4's myself(both 2.9 versions).

Apologies, but I'm on the memory train here! hehe

TwigtheWonderkid

45,444 posts

161 months

Wednesday
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Robertb said:
Rose-tinted specs off, that belongs at Festival of the Unexceptional.
Well it really doesn't, because no matter what we think of it now, when it was new it was a highly desirable car. Not some mundane runaround. It certainly wasn't the kind of thing Mr & Mrs Miggins from Swindon, who didn't know much about cars but just wanted an ordinary family car, bought

Jon_S_Rally

3,801 posts

99 months

Wednesday
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How long have you lot been saying that the fast Ford bubble will burst? Surely you must be bored of it by now? laugh

These will be valuable for years to come, because so many people grew up with Fords and wanting the sporting models. Unlike the Ford of today, which has totally lost its marbles, there were Escorts, Sierras and Fiestas everywhere, so there are a huge number of people out there with a lot of nostalgia for them. Sure, in the future, once those people are too old, things will die down, just like they have for pre-war cars, but I don't see it letting up for a good while for the '80s and '90s stuff.

Personally, I think this is wonderful. It's my favourite of the MK3 Escorts. Sure, the RS Turbo was faster, but these look fantastic, and I love their compromised, homologation background. It's a wonderful piece of history from a company that used to put out so many accessible, fun cars.

While I wouldn't pay £45k for one, I can absolutely see someone buying this. It's low-mileage, original, and will likely scratch a massive nostalgia itch for someone. I know I'd smile every time I opened the garage if I had it.

Terminator X

16,980 posts

215 months

Wednesday
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Mark_Blanchard said:
That’s superb. I seem to remember they were super rare in the 80s. As opposed to XR3’s which were 2 a penny.
I only had eyes for the XR4i though.
My Uncle had a number of them, he owned a shoe shop and it was the ultimate estate back then.

TX.

Augustus Windsock

3,538 posts

166 months

Wednesday
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Ever the pedant, the RS1600i also had a 5-speed B5-gearbox with a different fifth gear ratio of 0.83, and also the distributor was replaced by a twin ‘Hall-effect’ system.
What always strikes me about these is the upholstery: now whether that’s because they have had more bottoms sliding in and out of the supposed low-mileage seats than advertised, or whether because the glue has become, er, un-glued over the years I know not but many have seat coverings that are baggier than Katie Prices foo-foo.

I must say, when these came out I had an XR3i and coveted the RS1600i so badly, but couldn’t stretch to one.
Instead I bought a Turbo Tecnics converted XR2 which left these behind (possibly even the RS Turbo as mine had an upgraded twin-stage option..?)

For driving experience now, have a look what Jack says on his YouTube channel ‘Number 47’, a good ‘Everyman’ view of how it feels today.

GreatScott2016

1,679 posts

99 months

Wednesday
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Augustus Windsock said:
Ever the pedant, the RS1600i also had a 5-speed B5-gearbox with a different fifth gear ratio of 0.83, and also the distributor was replaced by a twin ‘Hall-effect’ system.
What always strikes me about these is the upholstery: now whether that’s because they have had more bottoms sliding in and out of the supposed low-mileage seats than advertised, or whether because the glue has become, er, un-glued over the years I know not but many have seat coverings that are baggier than Katie Prices foo-foo.

I must say, when these came out I had an XR3i and coveted the RS1600i so badly, but couldn’t stretch to one.
Instead I bought a Turbo Tecnics converted XR2 which left these behind (possibly even the RS Turbo as mine had an upgraded twin-stage option..?)

For driving experience now, have a look what Jack says on his YouTube channel ‘Number 47’, a good ‘Everyman’ view of how it feels today.
Good little vid that, unless there’s another one out there, the review I watched was “number 27” thumbup




Firebobby

757 posts

50 months

Wednesday
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It's a nice interesting old ford for £10k any more and I'd give it a miss. A couple of years back I drove a MK1 RS turbo for the first time in nearly 40 years. OMG how disappointed was I! It was noisy, clunky, harsh and not particularly quick. The turbo had 15bhp more than the rs1600i too! I do admit it did look good. They say you should never drive your hero car. In this case I wish I hadn't.

fantheman80

1,791 posts

60 months

Wednesday
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Robertb said:
Rose-tinted specs off, that belongs at Festival of the Unexceptional.
Seriously? I think you need to try another website, you might not like the car and of course its not quick now (or then..!) but to put this next to a 1.4 astra belmont not get why fords mean something to many people is just lazy PH bashing

Edited by fantheman80 on Wednesday 12th March 08:44